Wait... ALL THE VOTES HAVEN'T BEEN COUNTED??? WTF????

[readmoreoften]

From another thread:

"If so, pls let them know that the results you guys are all reacting to are only those votes cast on regular ballots on election day. PARTIAL RESULTS. there are still 2,600,000 uncounted ballots, from urban areas, plus sn francisco's, who have't even reported their uncounted ballots yet.

Uncounted ballots include: all the new voters 50-60% stricken from the rosters in LA.
615,000 at least in Los Angeles.
all of the early voters
all of the no on prop 8 volunteers who couldn't make it to their precincts, so voted proviosnally.
10-15% of the voters, approx who voted on proviosnals....
Plus hundreds of thousands of votebymail turned in on election day.

2,600,000+ uncoounted votes.
400,000 vote difference.

There are more than 6 times more uncounted votes than the margin, mostly democrat, mostly young, mostly urban...

look at the unprocessed vote count on the SOS website. you are all missing it.
I'm sure the right is having a field day with your lack of attention to THE ACTUAL VOTES!

WAKE UP AND COUNT THE VOTES!!!!"

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/Influx_of_early_voters_throws_Elections_Department_for_a_loop.html
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/c-status08/total_unprocessed_ballots08.pdf

[WillParkinson]

1. Won't be getting my hopes up...

Because I don't want them dashed again.

I'll keep my fingers crossed, but I certainly won't celebrate until the last vote is counted.

[donheld]

2. Sources please.

[robinlynne]

14. That is a quote from me. I am quoting from the secretary of sdtate's website. look up

unprocessed ballots!!!!!!!!!!! I ahve been screraming it for days here. Noone is watching the vote count. or even totaling up the numbrs to check the votes already counted. just accepting it, and believing it, like Kerry did.

[donheld]

37. Maybe nobody paid attention

because your writing is unreadable. ahve, screraming, Noone :wtf:

[ColbertWatcher]

39. LA Times (link inside)

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ballots9-2008nov09,0,175909.story

[featherman]

3. California is notoriously slow and is still counting votes - over 2 million short so far

see my previous post on this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7824164&mesg_id=7824164

[Tiggeroshii]

4. It'll be a couple months to get through them all.

Maybe once they're all counted there will be a big difference. I won't get my hopes up cause I don't want them dashed again(as a poster above me so truly put it)

[robinlynne]

15. 28 days. And the number of uncounted votes in LA was on purpose! hundredds of thousands

of young voters were removed from the roster here.

[Tiggeroshii]

36. geez.

But they're counting them, right?

[robinlynne]

41. during 28 days.

[Omaha Steve]

5. K&R

Great post.

[ourbluenation]

6. thank you. this is the point I've been trying to make. WHERE IS THE No on 8 LEADERSHIP ON THIS???

This ain't over kids.

Sign me,
Straight but not narrow mom from rural california

[IndyOp]

12. The "No On Prop 8" leadership -- at least the website I've visited, to whom I donated --

concluded that the proposition has been defeated even with millions of ballots still to be counted. I hope and pray they are wrong, especially since the Obama campaign PUSHED early voting so successfully across the country and many Obama voters are likely to have voted "No"...

Nov 06, 2008
Final Statement from No on Prop 8 Campaign

We had hoped never to have to write this note.

Sadly, fueled by misinformation, distortions and lies, millions of voters went to the polls yesterday and said YES to bigotry, YES to discrimination, YES to second-class status for same-sex couples.

And while the election was close, and millions of votes still remain uncounted, is has become apparent that we lost.

There is no question this defeat is hard.

Thousands of people have poured their talents, their time, their resources and their hearts into this struggle for freedom and this fight to have their relationships treated equally. Much has been sacrificed in this struggle.

While we knew the odds for success were not with us, we believed Californians could be the first in the nation to defeat the injustice of discriminatory measures like Proposition 8.

And while victory is not ours this day, we know that because of the work done here; freedom, fairness and equality will be ours someday. Just look at far we have come in a few decades.

More...

http://www.noonprop8.com/

[robinlynne]

20. They will not hear us. They are not even double checking vote totals.

The COurage Campaign is fundraising in their name, as are they.

[kestrel91316]

7. I was disappointed to hear that early votes and absentee votes

ARE NOT COUNTED AT ALL unless a particular race is very very close.

I am going to rethink my permanent absentee status. IMHO EVERY BALLOT must be counted. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts. I don't care what it costs or how long it takes.

[ourbluenation]

8. what? that cannot be true.

[kestrel91316]

27. That was my reaction. I don't recall what news article it was in or where.

[ourbluenation]

31. I checked - they are being counted...looky here

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/c-status08/total_unprocessed_ballots08.pdf

[kestrel91316]

33. Well that's good. I was not thrilled with the idea that my absentee ballot

would only be counted if some bureaucrat was in the mood to do so.

[robinlynne]

16. If your absentee ballots was returned before eciton day, theorretically it was already counted.

But the millions returned on election day (safely to precincts) are being counted now.

[dixiegrrrrl]

22. Oxymoron-ish

If the votes aren't counted, how can they know if the race is close?

[kestrel91316]

28. Exactly. COUNT EVERY VOTE. Even provisionals. By hand. Every election.

[robinlynne]

35. They should be counted during the 28 day canvas. like the provisionals, but they

are not counted on election day. That is why it is a problem for people to be using election day totals and conceding. Nobody's watching the hen house anymore. People have moved on to a new avenue and left the vote-counting to......

Absentee votes sent by mail are supposedly counted on election day. All abseneteee votes handed in in person to precincts or during early voting (the ones who really safeguard their votes) are not counted on election day.

[ourbluenation]

9. someone give this another rec. should be on the greatest page.

[formercia]

10. In the mean time, don't feed the trolls.

Chill the fuck out.

[mopinko]

11. provisional ballots, at least here in IL, are federal only ballots.

check the CA situation, but that is how it is here.
that means pres, senate, and us rep only.

[robinlynne]

19. Here in CAlifornia, anyone NOT ON THE ROSTER votes provisonally. We saw 10-

37% provisonal ballots from precinct to rpecinct ehre. All in democratic neighborhoods. All the colleges and new voters, and many Dems who have lived here for and voted for 40 or 50 uyeras wre purged from the rosters. All thse votes ahve still to be counted.
And even all the no on 8 volunteers, who didn't get to their precincts on election day bcause they were out working, have not yet been counted.

[mopinko]

32. you missed my point.

provisional ballots in illinois are not the complete ballot that a qualified voter gets. they are a federal only ballot with only 3 races. i presume Ca is the same. so 8 would not have been on provisional ballots.

[nichomachus]

13. Just assume the final total will be the same or skewed a little to the Yes side

From looking at the uncounted ballots from each county and how that county went, that would be a safe assumption. Later returns usually reinforce the early returns. And some of the counties -- like my own -- went 65-35 in favor.

Don't assume that all these uncounted ballots are younger voters and don't assume they will all vote against.

A lot of uncounted ballots come from the very groups that voted heavily in favor of it.

I'm working from that assumption and am prepared to be happily shocked and surprised if the vote does reverse. But I'm proceeding on the assumption that it won't. There's a lot of work to be done, and it doesn't help to sit around wishing for something that may not happen.

[readmoreoften]

18. Yeah and it doesn't help to not count all the votes either. Especially votes LA votes.

[nichomachus]

23. You're battling a straw man here

No one is suggesting not counting the ballots.

It's just that I've seen an awful lot of elections and I've almost never seen a last minute shift, especially given the demographics of this vote.

I think a lot of people are making the assumption that enough of these uncounted ballots are from "young people" and they will vote heavily enough in favor to tip the election. I don't think that's a valid assumption.

Again, I'm prepared to be pleasantly surprised, but if I were a gambler, I'd be putting my money on the vote remaining within a few decimal places of where it is now, or tipping slightly more to the Yes side.

[robinlynne]

21. not true!!!!!!! LOok at whose votes are uncounted!

[nichomachus]

24. Don't tease us -- whose votes were uncounted? And a link to the info please.

I can't find a breakdown of whose votes were uncounted, except by county. I know my county has about 250,000 and the country went 65-35 in favor?

Do you have some breakdown by age, ethnicity, and church-going habits? Older people, minorities, and churchgoers voted more heavily in favor on Prop H8.

Everyone seems to be assuming that all 2,000,000 uncounted votes are from young urban hipsters, who will vote against. I sincerely doubt that.

[robinlynne]

25. Here in LA COunty, we monitored. There was a riot in one neighborhood as people

stood in line with their sample ballots in hand and could not vote becuase thier namews were not there. all voted on provisonals which will be counted in 28 days, or not counted.
Most of the new registrations were not on the roster.
At colleges, 3 that we know of, all the students were told to vote on provisional ballots, and that their vote would count on election day. (flat out lie)
Signs were posted saying you provisional ballot does count.
I cannot link, because we are still gathering reports and it is not analyzed yet.
What I can tell you, is that hundreds of thousands of people here were not able to vote on regular ballots, that we only found this in Democratic neighborhoods and especially among young people. 10-37% provisional ballots cast in the precincts we watched. (That's all over the county.)
Voters were crying because they could not vote on regular ballots.
And , when I spoke with a no on 8 volunteer, she told me that they all voted on provisional ballots because they were too busy to go to their own precincts. So their votes have not been counted yet either.
Every votebymail ballot dropped off at precinct or early voting, still uncounted.
early voting, still uncounted, at least those who voted on emergency ballots. still don't know the exact nuumbers.
It will all be out when it is ready.

[nichomachus]

29. Then, someone needs to file a lawsuit over this and quickly.

The No on 8 people filed theirs at 8 a.m. on Wednesday.

[robinlynne]

34. no. not quickly. we are taking our time, getting our data in a row.

It will not be a lawsuit. It will be public accountability. hopefully. finally. we have been trying for years.

[robinlynne]

26. P.S. the lines were 2 hours long, and yet we had a 67% turnout? really?

[robinlynne]

17. Thank-you for listening. Election Proteciton advocates have done

everything in our power, but noone is listening. We saw and documented unbelievable purges. Votes on "emergency ballots" which are easily switched, so mny things in this election!

People need to be watching and checking how the votes are counted.

[bluedawg12]

30. I always have HOPE till the last Vote

is counted! Count the dammed votes!

[JDPriestly]

38. Those of us who traveled out of state to work on Obama's campaign

voted absentee. Our votes have not yet been counted. I'm from L.A. County, and I voted No on 8.

[robinlynne]

40. exactly!

[RetiredTrotskyite]

42. Then We Need Not To...

concede anything. Until ALL the votes are counted, there is still a chance that Prop 9 wasn't passed.