There is a rift in the Democratic party. The question is ...

[mitchtv]

Can we make it big enough to instill the fear of god into them. I for on will never support ANY politician who is not for marriage equality, I will not contribute until I am made whole. Fellow Dems treated us like shit and I don;t like it.I posted this in GBLT cause I'm not interested in strates telling me what's right for gays.. I say rock the boat, intensly , we not happy , no one gets to be happy

[Maven]

1. Don't worry, the same shit-stirrers who should've been banned ages ago

will be here shortly to tell you how to feel and how to vote.

[QC]

7. DU is such a helpful community. Think of all those helpful straights

who want to help us be good little homos!

I don't know what I would do without them there to lead and guide me.

[jonnyblitz]

8. yeah after their straight white asses lecture us on our racism.

sorry, i am bitter tonight.

[QC]

9. Oh well, you have reason.

I am also a little tired of, for example, an affluent, straight, white women lecturing us--from her very privileged position--on what we are and are not allowed to say and feel.

And she's still at it--I don't think she's slept in days.

[jonnyblitz]

10. I wonder if you are talking about who i am thinking of.

there is one that has really stirred the shit to the point of me thinking she is mentally disturbed.

[QC]

11. An expat in a certain large coastal city named for Francis of Assisi?

"Disturbed" is a very polite way of putting it.

[jonnyblitz]

12. I'm glad i am not the only one who noticed.

I figured we were talking about the same person but wanted to make sure.:crazy: :D

[QC]

13. It's been going on for years. n/t

[Maven]

2. .

[ColbertWatcher]

3. ...

I don't usually post in this forum, but I saw this in "Latest threads"

Here's a poll I made up, re:Prop Hate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4413198&mesg_id=4413198

[dhpgetsit]

4. I'm sorry.

I would have voted no, but I live in Oregon. We had Prop 36 in 2004 which banned same-sex marriage.

But the point I want to make is that civil rights legislation (and really any legislation that amends the state Constitution) should never be decided by a simple majority in a ballot initiative. In fact we need to rethink having ballot initiatives at all. Since I see same-sex marriage as fundamentally a civil rights issue, I believe it will eventually be overturned in the courts. But that will take a long time, and there are people who are hurt in the interim.

I was talking about it with someone last night. His opinion was that "marriage" should be strictly a religious ceremony and have no legal status at all. Instead of "married", the legal status would be "united". Any adult couple could have the legally recognized status we currently know as "married" without the churches getting their panties in a wad. And if a same-sex couple can't get "married" in one church, they may be able to get "married" in the church down the street. Whatever the case, their partnership could have the legal status we currently extent to marriage.

I think we should just drop all the semantics and say that if Joe the Pastor is unwilling to unite a same-sex couple in marriage, a judge could always do it.

So we wait for the legal challenges to grind their way through the system.

I will continue to vote for equal rights for all.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

5. I'm with you. However, I was ok with Obama and Biden saying they were against gay marriage ...

in order to get elected.


However, I will raise fucking hell and refuse to vote for Obama in 2012 should he even nominate a Supreme Court Justice who can't support gay marriage because of his/her religion (or any other reason).

[bluedawg12]

6. This is a little OT- just reading some history

and the parallels in RW social movements in the past and some of the current RW propaganda aganist gays, anti-union policies , the abortion issue all harken back to another time in history:

http://www.workers.org/ww/2004/lgbtseries1014.php

After years of economic crisis and the growth of a large but divided workers' movement, Hitler's party got the support of the big German capitalists in 1933 to crush any resistance to their rule. In the violent repression that followed, aimed first at the Communists and the left generally, both anti-Semitism and anti-homosexual terror were raised to heights not seen in Europe since the feudal Inquisition.

Once he became second in command in the Nazi Party, Heinrich Himmler--chief of the SS stormtroopers as well as the police--on June 17, 1936, created the Federal Security Office for Combating Abortion and Homosexuality. Himmler had included homosexuality as one of four illnesses that threatened the existence of Germany. He vowed: "ike stinging nettles we will rip them out, throw them on a heap, and burn them. Otherwise, without being able to fight it, we'll see the end of Germany, the end of the Germanic world."

Today the pink triangle has become recognized around the world as the emblem that those labeled homosexual were forced to wear in German concentration camps. Some were gay, others were accused of same-sex fantasies or fell victim to trumped-up charges by opponents. Estimates of the total number of prisoners forced to wear the pink triangle on their uniforms in Nazi concentration camps range from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Eventually, Nazism declared itself incompatible with homosexuality, because gays did not reproduce and perpetuate the master race. In 1936, Heinrich Himmler, Chief of the SS, created the "Reich Central Office for the Combating of Homosexuality and Abortion." Homosexuality was declared contrary to "wholesome popular sentiment,"<44> and gay men were regarded as "defilers of German blood."

[roughsatori]

14. From today on I will only vote for Dems who are for full marriage equality for GLBT people.

I am tired of making excuses for my party's lack of commitment to equal-rights. I will NEVER AGAIN vote for any individual or party who is not for equal-rights for GLBT people.

And I will no longer mock the Log Cabin gays. My own party is not in favor of my having the same rights that the heterosexuals have - yet I vote for the Dems anyway. I am ashamed that I am more like a Log Cabiner than I want to admit: We both vote for parties that do not consider us fully human.

[mitchtv]

15. I take that pledge, too

wait till those nice,liberal pro family props come up.

[David Zephyr]

16. I am giving the Democrats in Congress and Barack six months for three things:

1.) ENDA
2.) Lifting the ban against lesbian and gays serving OPENLY in the Armed Forces.
3.) Including the GLBT community into Hate Crime legislation.

Those are three easy things to accomplish.

I expect them within 6 months.

That's all they get.

I watched Bill Clinton walk away from us as fast as he could in 1993 and I have my eyes on Pelosi, Reid and Obama. They have no excuses anymore. None.

Six months.

[The Brethren]

17. I like the way you think....

"we not happy, no one gets to be happy"....LOL Thank you for being clear about it. I've always been an advocate against homophobia, racism, and fought as adult with repugs in support of the Dems. But right now, I'm feeling verrrrry selfish indeed. It's all about us....gay men and lesbians. :-)

Cheers!! I'm starting my New Year's resolution early:

1) To be politically selfish, with no apologies
2) To do everything I can encourage and direct the Dem. leaders to take an assertive -- immed. stance against the blatant discrimination against gay Americans. Yes, I know the economy is in a crisis and must be fixed. And I believe it will be taken care. However, in all fairness, if bigots, including Democratic bigots don't give a crap about me and my rights, why should I care if they lose their jobs, their houses, their cars, etc.? If gay equality and being able to legally marry is not their problem, then I can't be bothered with theirs.
3) To encourage and educate (so to speak) organizations in general....including those that keep asking me for my support, to give their support to overturn the anti-gay marriage amendments.
4) To be socially and politically selfish in person with others!! Which should put me in some very interesting situations. LOL