villager
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Mon Nov-10-08 01:33 PM
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Legal analysis on Prop. 8 from a lawyer friend (fairly encouraging) |
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or rather, a friend of a friend, in the Bay Area, and forwarded to me by my father (who got it from *his* minister, btw!):
The California Supreme Court did in fact rule, for the first time, that Gays are not just another minority group, but a “suspect class” of minority. This status has only previously been extended to race, sex, and religious minorities. This means that discrimination against a “suspect class” triggers “Strict Scrutiny” on the part of the courts, and this analysis requires the government to come up with a “compelling state reason” for the discrimination. Historically, once a minority group has attained status as a “suspect class” discrimination against it has always been prohibited because the government has never been able to come up with a “compelling state reason” for the discrimination.
This analysis will survive Proposition 8. Gays are still a suspect class and the government will have to come up with a compelling state reasons to justify denying them fundamental rights including marriage.
This means several things; The court may rule that the California Constitution cannot be amended to take away fundamental rights from a suspect class by a simple majority vote. They may well decode that a constitutional convention is required to take away fundamental rights. This requires a two-thirds vote of the state legislature.
A writ has already been filed by a collection of civil right’s lawyers (moi included) seeking to obtain such a ruling. If so, the election could be tossed out and the homophobes left with having to get two-thirds of the legislature to agree to a constitutional convention.
Lots of luck.
This would mirror the Federal Constitution which cannot be amended without two-thirds vote of both houses of Congress plus ratification by three -quarters of all the state legislatures.
As you recall, the last gasp of the Federal Religious Right attempted such an amendment in Congress on this very issue and they failed to get even a simply majority of either the House or the Senate let alone a two-thirds majority.
So the argument goes: California’s Constitution must reflect the Federal one. It can only be amended to take away fundamental rights by a Constitutional Convention which requires two-thirds of the state legislature.
This battle is far from over.
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Mon Nov-10-08 01:53 PM
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1. Sadly, "strict scrutiny" and "suspect class" language may be why they were abandoned ... |
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by civil rights and feminist organizations. California leapfrogged them ahead of women who enjoy only "semi-strict scrutiny."
There are lots of civil rights and feminist equal right lawyers who thought California reached the right result with the wrong reasoning, and should have gone the Connecticut route of "semi-strict scrutiny" and were less than enthusiastic in defending California's position.
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Mon Nov-10-08 01:57 PM
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2. But having nonetheless used that reasoning, what does it augur for a California court decision |
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...free of the whims of voters?
btw, enjoyed your long analytical post the other day!
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Mon Nov-10-08 02:28 PM
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It's an interesting idea that the strict scrutiny analysis survives the repeal of the result. Very puzzling!
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Mon Nov-10-08 01:58 PM
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Mon Nov-10-08 02:03 PM
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4. This is the part of the constitution that can help |
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Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 02:04 PM by FreeState
California Constitution: Article 1 Sec.7 b) A citizen or class of citizens may not be granted privileges or immunities not granted on the same terms to all citizens. Privileges or immunities granted by the Legislature may be altered or revoked. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/const-toc.html
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Mon Nov-10-08 02:52 PM
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6. This is positive news. |
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I was curious as to the process of amending the state Constitution in California, and I thought it must be more involved than achieving a simple majority on a public referendum vote. I'm glad to hear that the supporters of Prop 8 still have an uphill climb to get this passed through the Legislature before it becomes law. I know the fight is not over, but I do feel a little better about our prospects now.
:hi:
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