Please read before submitting to HPV vaccines!

[kimmerspixelated]

There was a post recently about vaccines for boys to guard against HPV, and I am just as against it for boys as I am for girls. These vaccines are neither safe nor necessary. Those are my opinions.

But here are some facts:

THE GREAT HPV VACCINE HOAX:

<a href = "http://www.naturalnews.com/Report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html">The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax
Exposed</a>


(NaturalNews) For the last several years, HPV vaccines have been marketed to the public and mandated in compulsory injections for young girls in several states based on the idea that they prevent cervical cancer. Now, NaturalNews has obtained documents from the FDA and other sources (see below) which reveal that the FDA has been well aware for several years that Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) has no direct link to cervical cancer.

snip>DID YOU GET THAT?-NO DIRECT LINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NaturalNews has also learned that HPV vaccines have been proven to be flatly worthless in clearing the HPV virus from women who have already been exposed to HPV (which includes most sexually active women), calling into question the scientific justification of mandatory "vaccinate everyone" policies.

Furthermore, this story reveals evidence that the vaccine currently being administered for HPV -- Gardasil -- may increase the risk of precancerous cervical lesions by an alarming 44.6 percent in some women. The vaccine, it turns out, may be far more dangerous to the health of women than doing nothing at all.

If true, this information reveals details of an enormous public health fraud being perpetrated on the American people, involving FDA officials, Big Pharma promoters, and even the governors of states like Texas. The health and safety of tens of millions of young girls is at stake here, and what this NaturalNews investigative report reveals is that HPV vaccinations may not only be medically useless; they may also be harmful to the health of the young girls receiving them.

Edited to 3-4 paragraphs to conform to DU's copyright policy.

Lithos
DU Moderator

[flashl]

1. Thanks for posting. nt

[lizerdbits]

2. The only reason I haven't gotten it yet

is that I'm too "old" and my insurance won't cover it. I might have the money for it after I pay off the crown I had in November.

[Celebration]

5. good way to look at it

I hope you acquire the money soon, and that it makes you feel safer to get the vaccine. I feel very strongly that this vaccine should be freely available to the people that want it. I think there are both plusses and minuses about this particular vaccine, and everyone should be able to evaluate those and come to a decision.

Now, as for insurance premiums and particularly my tax money paying for it for people, that is another story entirely.

[Warpy]

15. The only reason I haven't gotten it yet

is because I'm too damned old to have sex for reproductive purposes, so no guy will ever get near me without a condom, should one ever want to get near me at all.

We nurses are like that.

However, were I still young enough to possess viable ova and the attractiveness that seems to come with them, I would forgo food for a month to pay for the vaccine. It's that important.

[lizerdbits]

16. Well

my sex drive died years ago, I don't want kids (not likely I'd conceive anyway), and I always used condoms but as long as I have a cervix and vagina I'm interested in getting it.

[Warpy]

18. My drive seems to be stuck in neutral, as well

but there are times I miss it. Most of the time I'm just glad I don't have another thing to complicate my life.

[redbaum21]

3. Thanks

Thank you! : )

[juno jones]

4. An article I recently read:

http://www.counterpunch.org/rosenberg01192008.html


Since reports favorable to the companies and products are more likely to be published, the whole process is skewed in the companies favor. We are the losers in this deal, who pay for the privelege of being experimented on.

edit to add this one too, the subject is antidepressants, but I can't see them altering their strategy much for vaccinations or other drugs.
http://www.counterpunch.org/cox01272008.html


Thanks OP for an important discussion.

[havocmom]

7. Being a real cynic anymore, I fear the marketing of Gradasil is more about selling stock than health

And considering the callous disregard those in high places have for people not in their class, I just flat out distrust ANY medication they want to have widely distributed.

Thank you for bringing up antidepressants. Such a big push to get America on those profitable little gems. MDs and Family Practitioners seemed to hand scripts for those out like candy at Halloween. Dangerous stuff if a patient gets put on the wrong one and doesn't have proper monitoring. Very dangerous. I would only take such drugs on the advice of a well experienced psychiatrist who had carefully evaluated me and understood that patient and doctor were in a partnership for the patient's treatment. In other words, someone who was actually qualified to select and MONITOR the proper psycho-active meds for each individual AND actually listened to those patients.

But so much was prescribed that the damned stuff gets past sewage treatment and into the soils! That's a lotta drugs and a lotta profits for Big Pharma. People don't seem better adjusted for all the scripts written. If anything, people seem more inclined to have a somewhat reckless disconnect from reality. They seem to spend more money on feel good marketing hype items that really don't improve any part of their lives, but they seem more and more addicted to the spending and less grounded in reality.

In America today, we don't really make much of anything. Companies make their real money selling stocks. And they do whatever it takes to get THIS quarter's report good so Wall Street will sell those stocks for them.

People seem to be just a means to an end. When I see the marketing aimed at strong, lovely young women full of hope, it makes my blood turn cold. What are they doing to the carriers of the next human generation just to get their profits on immediately?

[philb]

6. BMJ reports that 3 deaths and over 1600 adverse effects reported to FDA VAERS system-Gardasil

According to the British Medical Journal, 3 deaths related to the new vaccine Gardisil were reported to the FDA's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), along with more than 1,600 other adverse reaction reports over the past year. Gardasil was granted FDA approval in June 2006.

Judicial Watch (the investigative public interest group that obtained the FDA data under the Freedom of Information Act) noted in a press release that 77 percent of the adverse reactions were considered "typical" vaccination side effects, while the remaining 23 percent included more serious side effects, such as seizures and Bell's Palsy. And death.

One of the patients who died suffered a blood clot three hours after receiving the vaccine. Two other patients (aged 12 and 19) died from "heart problems and/or blood clotting (11)

Some cases from VAERS web site

• 14-year-old girl – Hospitalized: Dehydration, Fall, Headache, Hyperventilation, Injection site pain, Muscle spasms
• disorder, Syncope (loss of consciousness due to reduced blood flow to brain), Vision blurred, Vomiting
• 17-year-old girl – Hospitalized, Life Threatening: Guillain-Barre Syndrome (central nervous system disorder), Hypoaesthesia (impaired tactile sensibility), Paraesthesia (burning skin sensations), Proteinuria (excessive protein in urine – kidney disorder symptom), Red blood cell sedimentation rate increased
• 16-year-old girl – Hospitalized, Life Threatening: Guillain-Barre Syndrome Hypoaesthesia, Muscular weakness, Paraesthesia, Proteinuria, Red blood cell sedimentation rate increased

Many of the VAERS reports are listed as "not serious." Here's one of them: A 20-year-old patient experienced nausea, vomiting, and loss of consciousness. Compared to the others, I suppose that's "not serious," but I would guess it was quite serious to the patient and her parents.


http://www.newstarget.com/Report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html
http://ahrp.blogspot.com/2007/05/gardasil-vaccine-so-far-3-deaths-and.html
http://kniftybrat.blogspot.com/2007/12/gardasil-hoax-hpv-vaccine-one-less.html
http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/1976
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,325470,00.html
: http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri14.htm

[Liberal Veteran]

12. Fun with math = three divided by two million = 0.00015% chance of fatal reaction.

1600 (adverse reactions which is a very vague term which can be anything from soreness at the injection site to an extreme allergic reaction, most falling in the not serious category) divided by two million = 0.08% chance of an adverse reaction.

[TZ]

8. People who take advice from people who think "cancer is a fungus"

Are completely insane idiots who deserve to get the diseases they are so afraid of gettting vaccinated from.
BTW, natural source magazine has WHAT credibility? NONE. And oh yeah...They are trying to sell THEIR products. Yes, lets trust an organic luddite source for science.
BTW both these vaccines (and GSK's soon to be available Cervarix) have 10 YEARS OF FULLY DOCUMENTED AND RECORDED SAFETY AND TOXICITY RECORDS.ALL AVAILABLE AT THE FDA/NIAID SITES
ANd as your ignorance shows, Merck actually DIDN'T invent this vaccine. Another biotech did the initial research and Licensed that to Merck.
Two posteers in this thread are the most scientific illiterate (and just plain unintelligent) posters on DU, in my opinion.
I'm a scientist unlike the OP who doesn't know the difference between a gene and jeans.

[varkam]

10. I like genes.

They make my butt look good :rofl:

[kimmerspixelated]

20. I never said C was a fungus.

I remember posting a story that posed an interesting theory.
I also did not post this particular finding for YOU.It's more than obvious which side you stand on.
I posted it because I thought it was important to share for those wanting to do their own research.
I'm sure you have all your vaccinations up to date. Yes, so many of us are SOOOOOO inferior to you, PLUS you must be the bravest of ALL, because you don't seem to be a bit afraid of side effects. The side effects of most modern medicines shivers me to the bone. Especially, since the treatment never deals with the root of the problem. Take a chill pill.... You can disagree without being insulting, but if that makes you feel superior, then whatever!

[lizerdbits]

21. When I do my own research

It sure doesn't involve scare tactics from a reporter trying to sell a book. I'll stick to medical professionals and journals but that's just me.

[cosmik debris]

22. Not just any reporter!

A reporter who had a parent under contract to Pfizer! That's all I need to know, I'll trust him with my life.

You can have your damn doctors. I'll trust the son of a pharma contractor any day.

Oh yeah :sarcasm:

[varkam]

9. This is odd..

From the article:

In it, the FDA says, "The HPV DNA test is not intended to substitute for regular Pap screening. Nor is it intended to screen women under 30 who have normal Pap tests. Although the rate of HPV infection in this group is high, most infections are short-lived and not associated with cervical cancer." (Emphasis added.)

In other words, the FDA knew in 2003 that HPV infections are not associated with cervical cancer. (emphasis added)

That strikes me as really, really bad investigative reporting and a dash of either not reading your source carefully or at all. It's no big scary secret that only a few strains of HPV are known to cause cervical cancer. The FDA was addressing HPV as a class of virus, not the specific strains of HPV. So, the FDA says that most HPV cases are not associated with cervical cancer (which we already know) and Mr. I-want-to-be-an-investigative-journalist-when-I-grow-up takes that to mean that "OMGZORZ!1! HPV DOESN'T CAUSE TEH CANSERS!"

Give me a break.

:eyes:

I'll go through the rest of it later when I have a bit more time and need another laugh.

[lizerdbits]

11. And the statement

"Why HPV infections are self-limiting and pose no real danger in healthy women."

Some women do become infected with the oncogenic strains and don't get cervical cancer. But it's the same thing with most strains not being oncogenic- a scientifically illiterate journalist who wants to scare a scientifically illiterate populous into buying his book.

[varkam]

17. And this thing got six rec's.

Makes me wonder if people even read the OP. Maybe they did, and in the end just didn't care if it was shit so long as it was saying what they wanted to hear.

[cosmik debris]

19. I think they thought it was a comedy piece.

It certainly doesn't sound like a serious examination of the facts.

[cosmik debris]

13. The author's only credential seems to be

that one of his parents was a contractor for Pfizer.

http://www.healthranger.org/bio.html

That sets a pretty low bar.

My Dad used to work for Monsanto. Does that make me an expert on GM foods?

[varkam]

14. If you go by the standard around here...

having acess to Google makes one a MD, so if your dad used to work for Monsanto and you have access to Google then you are like a super-MD or something.

[philb]

24. Credentials don't mean much; the validity of the argument and case is what's important

Credentials have nothing to do with the validity of a study, argument, hypothesis.
These can only be verified by the Scientific Method, with the requirements the same whatever the claimed credentials.

The gardasil vaccine has the same problems as have been demonstrated for other vaccines of similar nature.
Though I assume they don't have thimerosal they do have aluminum and likely formaldehyde and perhaps the neurotoxic preservative that replaced thimerosal in other vaccines.

www.flcv.com/vaxalum.html
aluminum effects

[cosmik debris]

25. YOUR credentials don't mean much because you don't have any

You just made up some stuff to make yourself look important. You are really no more than another Dr. Google who believes that one side of the story is all you ever need to know.

Credential mean a lot when it comes to understanding and interpreting the data and understanding the meaning of the results. That is where your lack of credentials are your undoing.

The scientific method requires that your hypothesis explain ALL THE EVIDENCE. When you are confronted by contradictory evidence, you pretend that it doesn't exist. (LALALALA I can't hear you) If you were anything other than a quack scientist you would change your hypothesis to fit the evidence rather than just pretending that the evidence doesn't exist. But you are not a scientist and you are completely unwilling to look at anything but your own narrow minded surveys of pet owners and such.

And you are so desperate to get approval and to be liked and respected that you keep posting the same bogus links over and over. It is not working. A real scientist would check their ego at the door. But you put yours at the forefront above all else.

Nobody who reads both sides of this issue will ever believe your woo woo crap. It only took me about an hour to figure out that you are completely full of shit because you only cover ONE SIDE of the story. That's not science, that superstition.

[trotsky]

28. He's in WHO'S freaking WHO!!!

Goddammit, what more do you want?!?
:rofl:

[varkam]

26. That's pretty hilarious for someone who

uses improper appeals to authority all the time.

[chicagomd]

27. I think you just out-did yourself, Bernie:

"...perhaps the neurotoxic preservative that replaced thimerosal in other vaccines."

So scary. I suppose you have secret inside information about that scary neurotoxic substance but you just don't want to share it for fear the black helicopters are going to head down to Florida and pick you up?

Maybe the Chem-trail Aliens let it in there.

Spooky.

[DemExpat]

23. Yeah, since PAP tests are still required

I would not have my daughter vaccinated with this vaccine, while encouraging regular PAP tests after sexual maturity, especially if she had more than one sexual partner.

I had pre-cancerous cells in my cervix at age 34, discovered by a PAP test, and was treated successfully with conization.

Freely available for who wants it - fine, but never mandated IMO.

DemEx

[Anarcho-Socialist]

29. I'm going to ask my doctor about the HPV vaccine

I would like to receive it.