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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:29 PM
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Life saving information
http://www.amazon.com/Prescription-Alternatives-Hundred...

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An Absolute Must For Every Home! I give it 10 stars!, January 31, 2001
By Karen Villanueva "authorcare" (Albuquerque, NM United States) - See all my reviews
Earl Mindell and Virginia Hopkins have provided one of the most important books of the CENTURY. So many of us listen to our doctors and take the prescriptions offered without THINKING. It is time for pill-poppers to wake up to the motives of the pharmaceutical companies, and to the very dangerous risks we take when we pop a prescription pill without investigating its long term effects.

This book has become a Health Bible for me and my friends. I tell people about it every day. If there is one thing you do for those you love, let it be to buy them this book.

Prescription Alternatives provides live-saving information. It informs us of the risks we take when we blindly accept any prescription our doctors offer. It provides us with all of the alternative choices that won't just suppress or mask a symptom but will change our health in the best and safest way possible. When are we, as a nation of consumers, going to take back the responsibility of maintaining our health? Don't take my word for it, read up on the facts for yourself. Then go out and buy a copy for every one you love! The natural food and supplement stores will love you for it!
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:33 PM
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1. Thank you.
Just put in a request from my Library. If it's a keeper, I'll get it from Alibris.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:39 PM
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2. Please do see this page and please do note the other books
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 06:40 PM by 4MoronicYears
written in the same vein. Also, check out this book especially if you are on prescription meds.
http://www.amazon.com/Prescription-Alternatives-Hundreds-Prescription-Free-Remedies/dp/0879839899

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDN/is_2_7/ai_85522989
Many of the top 100 drugs prescribed in the United States have been shown to deplete a variety of nutrients. For instance, did you know that the HMG-Co A reductase inhibitors Lipitor, Mevacor, Pravachol, and Zocor, as well as the beta blockers, Toprol, and Lopressor, all deplete coenzyme Q10, a nutrient essential to ATP production in cellular mitochondria? It has also been demonstrated that both oral and inhaled corticosteroids, such as hydrocortisone, Prednisone, Azmacort, Flonase, and Serevent, deplete several important minerals, folic acid, and vitamins C and D. The popularly prescribed histamine agonists Pepcid, Tagamet, and Zantac can deplete folic acid, B vitamins, calcium, iron, zinc, and vitamin D. The second edition of Drug-Induced Nutrient Depletion Handbook includes detailed information on these drugs and nearly 1,000 more, and is a valuable reference guide addressing drug-induced nutrient depletion in humans. It expands on the information found in the first edition and the authors' intent is to provide health professionals and the lay public access to the large body of credible scientific research pertaining to drug-induced nutrient deficiencies.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:33 PM
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6. As opposed to poisonings caused often by overdoses of these same supplements
Vitamin D, Vitamin E, and even now Vitamin C are extemely harmful in large doses..People are being DAMAGED by irresponsible advice like this.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:20 PM
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3. I don't understand
If you pay a doctor to examine, diagnose and prescribe for you, why would you override the doctor's advice based on a book by someone who never even met you?

It seems like you could save a lot of money by cutting the doctor out completely and just taking a bunch of stuff from the book.

Why consult a doctor if you are going to ignore his/her advice?

Why not just ask the clerk in the health food store to prescribe for you?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:32 PM
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5. Why would you ignore the importance of the facts presented
in this book?

Prescription Alternatives is a layperson's crash course in prescription drugs and alternative treatments, such as dietary changes and nutritional supplements. Mindell covers drug interactions, how to read labels and inserts, and how to avoid abuse. He discusses prescription drugs and alternative treatments in detail for heart disease, digestive diseases, respiratory illnesses, pain relief, infections, sleep disorders, depression, diabetes, eye diseases, prostate enlargement, hormone replacement, osteoporosis, and herpes. This is information you won't get from your HMO--and in this case, what you don't know can hurt you. --Joan Price --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDN/is_2_7/ai_85522989

Many of the top 100 drugs prescribed in the United States have been shown to deplete a variety of nutrients. For instance, did you know that the HMG-Co A reductase inhibitors Lipitor, Mevacor, Pravachol, and Zocor, as well as the beta blockers, Toprol, and Lopressor, all deplete coenzyme Q10, a nutrient essential to ATP production in cellular mitochondria? It has also been demonstrated that both oral and inhaled corticosteroids, such as hydrocortisone, Prednisone, Azmacort, Flonase, and Serevent, deplete several important minerals, folic acid, and vitamins C and D.

The popularly prescribed histamine agonists Pepcid, Tagamet, and Zantac can deplete folic acid, B vitamins, calcium, iron, zinc, and vitamin D. The second edition of Drug-Induced Nutrient Depletion Handbook includes detailed information on these drugs and nearly 1,000 more, and is a valuable reference guide addressing drug-induced nutrient depletion in humans. It expands on the information found in the first edition and the authors' intent is to provide health professionals and the lay public access to the large body of credible scientific research pertaining to drug-induced nutrient deficiencies.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:36 PM
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7. Its a fucking BOOK, recommended by a non scientist
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 08:37 PM by turtlensue
NOT A PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC JOURNAL. Scientists don't write for profit. But snake oil merchants who are looking to fleece ignorants DO.
You already admitted that your "alternative medicine/supplements store will thank you'. So, you admit you are shilling for altie meds? How does that make you any better than a pharmaceutical rep? except they actually have actual scientific evidence in their corner not bs.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. If there is no evidence in their corner, then JAMA should
remove the German Commission E Monographs from their database.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/281/19/1852

Assuming that "natural" remedies must be safe, 60 million Americans spent $3.24 billion medicating themselves with herbals in 1996. Yet there are reports within the last two decades of more than 100 herbiogenic deaths1(pp1799-1880) and dozens of serious complications—eg, those that required renal dialysis,2-5 renal transplantation,6 or liver transplantation,6-8 after taking botanicals. Dangerous herbs are less likely to be sold in Germany, thanks to strict surveillance by the German Commission E, founded in 1978. Of the 129 herbal drugs disapproved in Germany, the risky ones were immediately withdrawn, while others deemed nontoxic parvenus without "plausible evidence of efficacy" will be phased out by 2004.

This book documents how phytotherapy in Germany has become rational, responsible, and well integrated with conventional medicine. Herbal medicines comprise 30% of all drugs sold in German pharmacies. More than half these botanicals are prescribed by physicians and paid for by health insurance. By January . . .

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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. I guess you just don't have any answers
You did not answer any of the questions in my post.

I still don't understand why you waste your time with doctors when you can buy a book and get the results you want?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Who said I go to doctors? I go to a dentist, and I don't tell him how
to drill or mix his bondo. We do have lively discussions about various supplements, his brother has reduced his insulin intake by quite a bit and hopefully that won't kill him.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. You did.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. You said "I asked my doctor if it was right for me."
In post #10.

Why do you ask a doctor when you can read a book and go to a health food store?

Why do you ask a doctor if you are not going to follow his/her orders?

Are you just making polite conversation with your doctor?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:06 AM
Response to Reply #14
17. Just quoting some of those wonderful commercials that tell
you how great the newest meds coming out of the pipeline are. It trips me out to hear the litany of possible side effects up to and including death. I'm lovin it.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:48 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. So how are we supposed to know when you are quoting
and when you are just blowing smoke?

Are you just backing off from a statement because you got caught?

How are we supposed to know which of your posts are true and which are quotes from some unattributed source?

Once again, you don't make sense. Your answers seem so bogus.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. Sorry if I come across that way. It comes from being beat up in
the DU school yard.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:27 PM
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20. You still haven't answered any of my questions
I get the impression that you are cutting and pasting (without quotation marks) for all your posts.

Nothing you post makes sense. Your message is garbled. You're not making any sense.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:44 PM
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21. Sorry if I don't make sense. All I am trying to say is that sometimes
meds work... sometimes they don't. Sometimes there are safer alternatives to meds that work much of the time. Also, you shouldn't treat a condition that is a symptom of a nutritional imbalance or deficiency with a chemical. It might work for a time but the longterm effects may be very undesirable. I have seen people removed from umpteen medications through the use of nutritional supplementation. I have seen diabetics get completely off insulin. I have been exposed to the FACT that a woman needing kidneys (hers were working at about 25%) return to normal function WITHOUT surgery, but rather with glyconutritional supplementation.

On the other hand, I have seen members of my family go down a terrible path paved with medications. It only stands to reason that I rail against a system that has caused me anguish over the things my loved ones have been made to endure. Above all do no harm so the mantra goes. If this were truly put into practice rather than Above all, piss off no shareholders, then we would see much more good done in the name of healthcare in this country. I'm just sayin', if you don't believe it, look at the quality of life ratings and infant mortality ratings for Europe vs Amurka. The truth is in the numbers.

Parts of this message may have been cut and pasted. Others may have been the result of a malignant brainfart. Your mileage may vary...
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:05 PM
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23. So, are you warning me about calcium supplements
In another post you seemed to have some concern about calcium supplements.

I never did figure out what your concern was.

Now you say "...you shouldn't treat a condition that is a symptom of a nutritional imbalance or deficiency with a chemical."

Calcium is a chemical.

So we should not treat calcium deficiencies with calcium supplements?

I'm more confused than ever.

And I still don't understand why people go to a doctor who gives such bad advice. If your family members were getting such terrible medical advice, why didn't they find a competent doctor?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:18 PM
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24. Calcium is a nutrient that is used by the body in hundreds perhaps
thousands of enzymatic and chemical reactions. By all means, if you don't do dairy, take a QUALITY calcium supplement with magnesium and vitamin D in the very least.

My family?? Dad chemoed and radiated to death. Uncle received umpteen laser surgeries for retinopathies but not once was told about pycnogenol for retinopathies.

Brother? put on cholesterol lowering meds only to have joint problems thereafter. There are a DOZEN different proven nutritional interventions for borderline hypercholesteremia. DOZENS, but what do they play with???? Frigging Lipitor, Zochor and the like that not only have debilitating effects on joints but they also can cause a Coenzyme Q10 deficiency since they also stop the liver from producing Coenzyme Q10.

Mom?? Kidney failure after being put on several meds most of which she didn't need. Second doc confirmed this.

What are they trying to deal with the kidney inflammation with??? Frigging prednisone and NOTHING ELSE. "Specialist stated: I don't want you to take ANYTHING, NOTHING AT ALL regarding supplements.

Of course, what do I know, I'm not a kidney specialist however I have read Dr. McCully's book on Homocysteine and how it is metabolized with B-Vitamins. Imagine that. I suggest you read and then understand my disdain for the disregard the all knowing and all seeing hold regarding nutritional medicine.


http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-065a.shtml

Homocysteine
Discovered in 1932, homocysteine is a sulfur-containing amino acid normally found in small amounts in the blood of healthy persons. Homocysteine is derived from dietary protein (meat, milk, eggs) and is metabolized in the liver using vitamins B6 and B12. High levels of homocysteine can result from genetic disease (homocystinuria); kidney disease; hyperthyroidism; psoriasis; systemic lupus erythemotosus; drug treatment for chronic diseases; and dietary vitamin deficiencies (folic acid, B6, B12) (Welch et al. 1998).

Homocysteine levels tend to increase with age and are higher in men than in women. High levels of homocysteine can be very damaging to the kidneys and the vascular system (Dierkes et al. 1999; Marangon et al. 1999; Levin et al. 2002). Accumulation of toxic homocysteine has been associated with the development of cardiovascular disease (artherosclerosis, stroke, heart attack); pulmonary embolism and deep venous thrombosis; dementias (Alzheimer's disease, multi-infarct dementia); and kidney disease ESRD (Joosten et al. 1997; McCaddon et al. 1998; Welch et al. 1998; Dierkes et al. 1999; Levin et al. 2002; Seshadri et al. 2002). Cardiovascular disease (CVD) is common in patients with chronic kidney disease (CKD) and is responsible for the majority of morbidity and mortality in patients (Levin et al. 2002).

As early as 1969, researchers began to make clinical observations linking elevated homocysteine to vascular diseases (McCully 1969). Subsequent investigations confirmed these observations (Clarke et al. 1991; Ueland et al. 1992; Stampfer et al. 1992; 1995; Selhub et al. 1995; Welch et al. 1998). In CVD, there is evidence that elevated levels of homocysteine are related to arterial wall damage, but the mechanism is unclear (Welch et al. 1998). It may be that homocysteine has a toxic effect on the endothelial (cellular) lining of blood vessels. Data from a study on healthy U.S. physicians (14,916) with no prior history of heart disease demonstrated that highly elevated homocysteine levels are associated with a more than threefold increase in the risk of heart attack over a 5-year period. This finding was published in 1992 in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) as part of the Physicians' Health Study (Stampfer et al. 1992). The Framingham Heart Study (1041 elderly subjects) (Selhub et al. 1995) and other studies have also confirmed that elevated homocysteine is an independent risk factor for heart disease (Chaveau et al. 1993; van Guldener et al. 2000; Hoffer et al. 2001; Suliman et al. 2001).

In kidney disease, homocysteine levels in the blood increase because the kidneys do not properly filter homocysteine. Elevated levels of homocysteine are commonly seen in renal patients, sometimes three or four times higher than normal levels (van Guldener et al. 2000; Friedman et al. 2001; Herrmann et al. 2001; Suliman et al. 2001). Homocysteine is consistently elevated to very high levels in patients who require dialysis (Levin et al. 2002). Plasma homocysteine concentrations often decrease after dialysis (Welch et al. 1998). Therefore, to further help lower homocysteine levels, dialysis patients often require high levels of nutrients, including folic acid, vitamin B12, TMG (also known as betaine or trimethylglycine), and vitamin B6 (Bostom et al. 1996; Chauveau et al. 1996; Robinson et al. 1996; Sadava et al. 1996; Tucker et al. 1996; Welch et al. 1998; van Guldener et al. 2000; Herrmann et al. 2001; Levin et al. 2002).

Folic acid was used in a study conducted in 82 patients undergoing dialysis 3 times a week for 4 weeks (hemodialysis, 70 patients; peritoneal dialysis, 12 patients) (Dierkes et al. 1999). The results demonstrated that in both groups, homocysteine concentration was reduced by 35% after taking 2.5-5 mg of folic acid after each dialysis treatment.

As noted earlier, although dialysis has the effect of lowering homocysteine levels, folic acid further reduced homocysteine levels and, more importantly, had long-term effects even after supplementation was withdrawn (Dierkes et al. 1999).

Although the relationship between CVD and CKD is convincing, therapeutic strategies appear to be underused in the care of patients with kidney disease. CVD and CKD have similar traditional risk factors (diabetes, hypertension, dyslipidemia, obesity) as well as nontraditional risk factors (hyperhomocysteinemia, anemia, disturbed mineral metabolism, parathyroid excess). Because these risk factors are also specific to kidney disease and are modifiable, they should be identified and treated in persons with CKD (Levin et al. 2002). Patients with mild hyperhomocysteinemia have no clinical signs and are typically asymptomatic until the third or fourth decade of life (Welch et al. 1998).

For some time, physicians have recognized the danger of homocysteine and they recommend use of vitamin supplements to lower homocysteine levels (Tucker et al. 1996; Welch et al. 1998). The "normal range" used by commercial laboratories is 5-15 micromoles/L of blood. However, epidemiological data reveal that homocysteine levels above 6.3 result in a steep, progressive risk of heart attack, with each three-unit increase equaling a 35% increase in risk for heart attack (Verhoef et al. 1996; Robinson et al. 1996). There may be no safe "normal range" for homocysteine. A survey in Cardiologia reported that the average American's level of homocysteine is 10 (Andreotti et al. 1999).

For many persons, daily intake of TMG (500 mg), folic acid (800 mcg), vitamin B12 (1000 mcg), vitamin B6 (100 mg), choline (250 mg), inositol (250 mg), and zinc (30 mg) will keep homocysteine levels in a safe range. Unfortunately, without a homocysteine blood test, it is impossible to know if the proper amounts of nutrients are being taken. Therefore, the only way to be certain is to have a blood test to ascertain that your homocysteine level is below 7. Sometimes treatment must be individualized for complicated conditions. High levels of homocysteine can require up to 6 grams of TMG or vitamin B6 (in cystathione-B synthase deficiencies).
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. No, calcium is a chemical.
More specifically, it is an element. #20 on the periodic table.

Maybe that is one reason your posts don't make any sense. You don't seem to understand even the most basic science.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. If calcium builds bones, regulates bodily functions and is involved
in hundreds of chemical reactions in the body IT IS A NUTRIENT. Get over it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient
Essential and non-essential nutrients

Main article: Essential nutrient

Nutrients are frequently categorized as essential or nonessential. Essential nutrients are unable to be synthesized internally (either at all, or in sufficient quantities), and so must be consumed by an organism from its environment.

For humans, these include essential fatty acids, essential amino acids, vitamins, and certain dietary minerals. Oxygen and water are also essential for human survival, but are generally not considered "food" when consumed in isolation.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. But you said
"...you shouldn't treat a condition that is a symptom of a nutritional imbalance or deficiency with a chemical."

Now you say I should take calcium, which is a chemical.

How do I know which to believe?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. Dude..... you shouldn't believe anything. n/t
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. Well, I certainly shouldn't believe you.
You can't understand basic science and you can't keep your story straight. And I can't even tell when it is your story because you won't use quotation marks for the stuff you plagiarize.

I don't know how anyone can have a conversation with you.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. Read some of the books in question and make up your own mind
or deal with the consequences. It's entirely up to you. I chose another path. End of story.

This post was automatically generated. Please do not respond to this post. Any response will be sent to the circular file. All responses will be regarded as an act of war. Your mileage may vary, please read responsibly.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. I prefer to consult professionals
Who have read a lot more books than you have.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. Professionals bury their mistakes, mechanics have to
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 07:04 PM by 4MoronicYears
fix theirs. Them's the facts.

Many of the books I possess were written by bonafide MDeez who have seen the light, and once they put their foot in it, (not their mouthes) they cannot turn back cuz their conscience drives them forward towards a kindler gentler way of "Above all, do no harm". Did I mention more affordable too? Musta forgot that part.

Here are some professionals that "get it" and are taking appropriate action.


http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00308971?term=renal+lipoic+acid&rank=1
Purpose

Oxidative stress and acute phase inflammation are now recognized to be highly prevalent in both the chronic kidney disease (CKD; pre-dialysis) and end stage renal disease (ESRD; on hemodialysis) populations, and several lines of evidence point to their contribution in the development of atherosclerosis. Biomarkers of the inflammatory state such as C-reactive protein (CRP) and interleukin-6 are robust predictors of cardiovascular events and death in these two populations. The uremic state is characterized by retention of oxidized solutes including reactive aldehyde groups and oxidized thiol groups. It has recently been demonstrated that initiation of maintenance hemodialysis does not improve biomarkers of oxidative stress or inflammation, suggesting that dialysis alone is inadequate to control the atherosclerotic uremic metabolic state. In this study we hypothesize that administration of antioxidant therapy will decrease biomarkers of acute phase inflammation and oxidative stress in patients with Stage III and IV CKD.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. May I suggest that you stop consulting professionals who bury
their mistakes. Then you wouldn't have to live in fear and you could be healthy like me. I'm 58 yrs old and I don't need any medications or supplements. Maybe it is because I follow my doctors guidelines on diet and exercise instead of reading some woo-woo book or playing Dr. Google.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. Live in fear?? What has happened to members of my family
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 07:51 PM by 4MoronicYears
are FACTS, not "fear". There are DOZENS of ways to lower blood sugar and REVERSE diabetes. These methods are totally ignored by your experts because their hands are tied by the drugcos. This is a fact and it is also a fact that diabetes runs rampantly through my family. Imagine that.


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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. You have my sympathy
It must be hard being a quack.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:53 PM
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37. It is, you have to go through 8 years or better of training and
shell out huge sums of money. Pity.

www.iatrogenic.org
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:12 PM
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38. All that time and money wasted
And they could have gotten their M.D. from Google University like you did.

:rofl:
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:39 PM
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8. But someone wrote a REVIEW on AMAZON.COM!
If that isn't enough proof for you, well I guess you're a hopeless shill for big yak!!!1!
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:30 PM
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4. And when you are terribly ill because you disregard
a doctors advice for some schmuck with no science degree (like poisoning yourself with fucking CYANIDE in laetrile to treat cancer) better make out a will.
BTW, I've told you before, I know more about this topic than you do..and its people like you that cause more deaths in this country as people become more distrustful of science and medicine--I've seen plenty of docs and they don't irresponsibly cause people to pop pills as you claim (or at least the majority dont). Why don't you just ask people to pray to God to be healed? Thats just as effective as most of the shit you push.
Snake oil merchants (and I count you as one)kill alot more people than docs..there's just no database to prove it.
And I will keep at paranoid fools like you that post IRRESPONSIBLE AND POTENTIALLY DEADLY misinformation.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:45 PM
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10. Funny that. I have acid reflux disease, my order for aciphex
is in the mail. I asked my doctor if it was right for me.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16948779?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=3

Regression of gastroesophageal reflux disease symptoms using dietary supplementation with melatonin, vitamins and aminoacids: comparison with omeprazole.

All patients of the group A (100%) reported a complete regression of symptoms after 40 days of treatment. On the other hand, 115 subjects (65.7%) of the omeprazole reported regression of symptoms in the same period. There was statiscally significant difference between the groups (P < 0.05). This formulation promotes regression of GERD symptoms with no significant side effects.

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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:46 PM
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15. I took DGL (De-Glycyrrhizinated) Licorice for my acid reflux-worked great!
when I was dealing with severe food sensitivities DGL worked wonders for my very painful heartburn

DGL stands for De-Glycyrrhizinated Licorice

google for more info http://www.truestarhealth.com/Notes/2122006.html
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:53 PM
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16. Thank you, it does not hurt to examine all of ones alternatives.
K and R.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:45 PM
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22. Oh man
Probably some of the tens of thousands of people who died from using Vioxx would have done much better taking advice from this book.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:32 PM
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27. I guess the two hip replacements were a side benefit rather
than a side effect.
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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:26 PM
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39. thanks...I will definitely check this out
knowing what drugs deplete what nutrients is important!

My parents are on so many drugs - it's unreal. This will be a good reference!
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:01 AM
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40. Thanks! Will add this to my booksheves.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 06:05 AM by DemExpat
:thumbsup:

My hubby and I take no prescriptive meds, and hope to avoid them for as long as possible.

DemEx
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