Consistent significantly increased rate ratios

[HysteryDiagnosis]

This is fairly new so I don't expect the sweepers have noticed it. We shall see more of this in the future... some have stated that Hg is tightly bound in amalgams.... how silly indeed.


1: J Neurol Sci. 2008 May 14. Click here to read Links
Thimerosal exposure in infants and neurodevelopmental disorders: An assessment of computerized medical records in the Vaccine Safety Datalink.
Young HA, Geier DA, Geier MR.

The George Washington University School of Public Health and Health Services, Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, United States.

The study evaluated possible associations between neurodevelopmental disorders (NDs) and exposure to mercury (Hg) from Thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs) by examining the automated Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD). A total of 278,624 subjects were identified in birth cohorts from 1990-1996 that had received their first oral polio vaccination by 3 months of age in the VSD. The birth cohort prevalence rate of medically diagnosed International Classification of Disease, 9th revision (ICD-9) specific NDs and control outcomes were calculated. Exposures to Hg from TCVs were calculated by birth cohort for specific exposure windows from birth-7 months and birth-13 months of age. Poisson regression analysis was used to model the association between the prevalence of outcomes and Hg doses from TCVs.

Consistent significantly increased rate ratios were observed for autism, autism spectrum disorders, tics, attention deficit disorder, and emotional disturbances with Hg exposure from TCVs. By contrast, none of the control outcomes had significantly increased rate ratios with Hg exposure from TCVs. Routine childhood vaccination should be continued to help reduce the morbidity and mortality associated with infectious diseases, but efforts should be undertaken to remove Hg from vaccines. Additional studies should be conducted to further evaluate the relationship between Hg exposure and NDs.

[trotsky]

1. Geiers

Proven frauds.

Next.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

4. More proven frauds for you.... NEXT

1: J Child Neurol. 2007 Nov;22(11):1308-11.
Comment in:
J Child Neurol. 2008 Apr;23(4):463; author reply 463-5.

Blood levels of mercury are related to diagnosis of autism: a reanalysis of an important data set.
Desoto MC, Hitlan RT.

Department of Psychology, University of Northern Iowa, Cedar Falls, Iowa 50614, USA. [e-mail]

The question of what is leading to the apparent increase in autism is of great importance. Like the link between aspirin and heart attack, even a small effect can have major health implications. If there is any link between autism and mercury, it is absolutely crucial that the first reports of the question are not falsely stating that no link occurs. We have reanalyzed the data set originally reported by Ip et al. in 2004 and have found that the original p value was in error and that a significant relation does exist between the blood levels of mercury and diagnosis of an autism spectrum disorder. Moreover, the hair sample analysis results offer some support for the idea that persons with autism may be less efficient and more variable at eliminating mercury from the blood.

PMID: 18006963

[trotsky]

6. Can't back up your fraud so you change the subject.

When are you actually going to provide some kind of data to support an argument instead of foolishly quoting studies that often end up proving you wrong themselves?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

8. We have reanalyzed the data set

originally reported by Ip et al. in 2004 and have found that the original p value was in error and that a significant relation does exist between the blood levels of mercury and diagnosis of an autism spectrum disorder.

[trotsky]

9. You don't know why the Geiers are proven frauds.

Hint: it has nothing to do with that particular study.

Please keep going - it's fun seeing you dig your hole deeper.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

11. Everyone is a fraud, that's a given. n/t

[trotsky]

19. And you have certainly done your part to prove that. n/t

[cosmik debris]

7. Please post the "conclusion" of the study

The abstract is not adequate to determine what the study found.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

10. I don't need a study to know that mercury f*cks up a developing

nervous system, just like lead, just like arsenic, just like cadmium and aluminum. Why, I just had a glass full of these harmless agents.... I feel fine.


http://cfpub.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/index.cfm/fuseaction/display.abstractDetail/abstract/7877/report/2002
Until it was discontinued in 2001, thimerosal has been widely used to preserve multiuse vaccine formulations. The widespread use of thimerosal in hundreds of other products including medications and cosmetics persists, although little is known about its immunotoxic and neurotoxic properties. We have explored the actions of this organic mercurial on DC maturation. Most significantly as little as 500nM thimerosal (20h) had dramatic influence on DC cultures (Fig 2, fourth column). 20h exposure to thimerosal completely abrogated DC maturation measured by CD86 and class II MHC expression (Fig 2, fourth column). Cell size of thimerosal treated DCs was small compared to medium controls, indicating a failure of smaller progenitor cells to mature into DCs (compare w/LPS treated cells). Many of the thimerosal treated cells were permeable to propidium iodide, indicating cell death. These are the first results defining the immunotoxicity of thimerosal on this important class of antigen presenting cell and provides impetus for more detailed studies of mechanism and relevance to autism.


http://cfpub.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/index.cfm/fuseaction/display.abstractDetail/abstract/1773
Thus there is growing concern from both parents and health professionals that prenatal and postnatal exposure to xenobiotic (e.g. mercurials, halogenated aromatics, and pesticides) and biotic (e.g. vaccine antigens) factors may act synergistically with unidentified susceptibility-genetic factors to produce autistic spectrum disorders.. To understand how the interaction of susceptibility genes with exposure to "environmental" chemicals may increase the risk and severity of autism and to identify which combination of chemical exposures confer the greatest threat, we propose to establish an interdisciplinary Center that addresses this complex problem at several levels.



http://cfpub.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/index.cfm/fuseaction/display.abstractDetail/abstract/7876/report/2003
The goals of this project are to establish in vivo exposure models in mice and primates with which to study how relevant xenobiotics of concern to childhood autism influence the development of social behavior. The specific aims of the mouse studies were to: (1) develop a battery of behavioral probes to assess social behavior in developing and mature mice, (2) to evaluate the effects of prenatal and early postnatal exposure to thimerosal, methyl mercury and congeners of PCB on the emergence and quality of social behavior in mice, (3) to determine whether the expected toxicity of exposure to xenobiotics is altered in mice whose immune systems have been activated early in postnatal development by administration of bacterial endotoxin lipopolysaccaride (LPS), and (4) to examine selected brain regions (e.g., amygdala) in xenobiotic treated mice for morphological alterations that may be similar to those observed in neuropathological studies of autism.

The aim of the monkey studies were to use a battery of social testing to evaluate potential alterations of conspecific social behavior following early postnatal exposure of realistic levels of thimerosal, methyl mercury and congeners of PCB.


http://cfpub.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/index.cfm/fuseaction/display.abstractDetail/abstract/7875
The aims are to assess the influence of exogenous exposures, the role of susceptibility factors, and the interplay between these two in the etiology of autism and its phenotypic variation. Chemicals with known or suspected neurodevelopmental toxicity, such as PCB’s, certain pesticides, and metals, will be investigated. This study will also pursue several hypotheses that have recently gained attention, including the combined measles, mumps, rubella vaccine and mercury present in vaccines given during infancy and early childhood. Additionally, biochemical susceptibility will be examined through characterization of metabolic, immunologic, and neuronal gene expression profiles and genetic polymophisms.

[cosmik debris]

13. I guess you didn't bother to read the conclusion.

You just created one in your mind and used that.

Do you really think a non-google scientist would settle for an abstract rather than read the whole study?

Only a lazy Dr. Google would set the standard of proof so low.

If you are too lazy to read the conclusions, why should anyone trust you?

And remember, it got you into trouble in the past because the abstract did not say what you said.

Remember the time you referenced 18 studies as evidence of human testing AND NOT ONE OF THE STUDIES YOU CITED HAD ANY HUMAN TESTING. You sure looked foolish after that. And any credibility you had was shot to pieces.

Unless you want a repeat of that disaster, I would suggest that you read the entire study before you make some silly claim that you can't back up.

If you EVER want to restore your credibility, you need to improve your research methods, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

[varkam]

28. Bingo! The heart of the problem:

I don't need a study to know that mercury f*cks up a developing nervous system, just like lead, just like arsenic, just like cadmium and aluminum. Why, I just had a glass full of these harmless agents.... I feel fine.

See? You already know. For you, it is no longer a matter of evaluating the science, looking at the data, and extrapolating conclusions as you already know what the truth is.

Here's a site you might want to have a gander at: Confirmation bias

[HysteryDiagnosis]

30. Here's a book you probably couldn't read if you wanted to.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518HHS9B8SL._SL500_BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Toxic-Metal-Syndrome-Poisonings-Affect/dp/0895296497/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1213440243&sr=8-1
13 of 15 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Aluminum and Modern Dental Practice, December 31, 2003
By A Customer
Very interesting and thorough material on these two subjects, in particular.

Never knew before that aluminum is even in baking powder, among all the other sources of it mentioned.

The dental mercury section is very useful information, if not frightening in its still widely prevalent scope within the USA. I never realized before that two European countries have already banned its use!

[trotsky]

31. And he pulls out the old standard - a BOOK REVIEW on Amazon.com!

That should silence the critics, huh? Nothing says "final word" like some anonymous review on a website! :rofl:

[varkam]

32. A book is not a peer-reviewed study.

Then again, you don't need no stinking studies, right? ;)

Also, the book is thirteen years old. Presumably you know that there has been new research since then, yes?

I also enjoyed the giant disclaimer that the beginning of the book - you know, the one that said that the book is based on the personal experiences of the authors and that they are not responsible for adverse outcomes should anyone follow their advice. That's probably a good thing, seeing as how Casdorph is a CV doc who has also written "Real Miracles: Indisputable Medical Evidence that God Heals" and Walker is a former practitioner of podiatry (he apparently stopped practicing 40 years ago), is heavily referenced on whale.to, and a current woo with his own website - read: neither are qualified to comment in depth on how metal toxcicty effects the brain. It also makes me think that neither are probably the best when it comes to critical thinking, but you are more than welcome to advance that book as proof of...well...something.

Then again, posting an Amazon book review doesn't exactly address my point - does it?

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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[varkam]

34. Your point? eom

[cosmik debris]

35. I believe he is saying that Mercury and Lead are the same

And they are the inverse of Zinc and Copper.

But that is just a guess, he wanders so much and posts studies that don't support his point. So it is really hard to tell.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

42. Yes I am aware that there has been new research since then...

there are twenty pages of 20 papers each on the EPA's site that come up with the search terms mercury and autism. Deal with it.


This is the west's version of determining how to determine the cause of a particular disease.


http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/05/11/mercury_toxic_amalgam_unsuitable_for_dental_restoration.htm
20.000 people had their saliva examined 1996 by the Univ. of Tübingen. 30% had higher exposure than the permissible WHO-intake, often several fold, specially the 20-39 year old fertile group. They swallow 1.5 liters of officially toxic saliva/day. A statistically significant relation between Hg-levels and symptoms of Hg-poisoning was found.

By radioactive analysis of Hg-migration in sheep and lamb it was stated indisputably, that Hg in the umbilical cord and in milk was up to eight times higher than in the blood of the mother. Also stem cells are polluted with Hg compounds that have attacked DNA.

Sick organs have shown accumulation of Hg: An aorta, an idc-heart and a thyroid cancer had Hg-values more than 3, 20 and 20 thousands times too high. Such analyses ought to be standard for removed tissue including kidneys. Only 30% of all transplantations are heart, lungs and liver. Kidneys, 70%, are the garbage can for body-Hg.


During the latest 10-15 years it has been documented, that Hg from amalgam fillings is traced in unwanted places. It has been established, that the amount of Hg in the brains of dead people correlates with the number of amalgam fillings. Hg penetrates placenta and the concentration of Hg in the fetus correlates with the number of amalgam fillings of the mother. The amount of Hg in breast milk increases with an increasing number of fillings of the mother. People with amalgam have more Hg in body fluids than people without.


The Western World has two epidemics of chronic diseases: Among the elderly and among the rising generation getting physical or mental defects, diminished intelligence, autism, need of costly special education etc. Their mothers suffer from miscarriage, stillborn or premature babies. Attacks from Hg ex amalgam on vital organs will sooner or later be accepted as the common cause. School medicine diagnoses wrongly; it does not target treatment, medication and research correctly, a waste of resources of a size that will be unaffordable in a few years. A blunder of gigantic dimensions.

It is high time for the Health Authorities to remove the blinkers, take responsibility for the unlimited, reckless use of amalgam, agree to a ban and organize re-education of physicians and dentists. There is no other way ahead. Universities must become aware of toxic dentistry and teach how to recover patients correctly. It will be a great and costly task requiring a powerful order of priority. But it will prevent the disorders mentioned. Additionally Hg in all drugs and vaccines, the reason for the autism epidemics in UK and USA must be banned.

[varkam]

47. Yet not one reputable study showing a connection.

Oh, and an op-ed piece isn't a peer-reviewed study, either.

I get half a million hits on google for mercury and healthy. Going by your standards, that must mean mercury is healthy.

Deal with it, as you say.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

12. Please explain the exponential rise in neurological disorders on

planet earth. I dare you.

[cosmik debris]

14. Are you asking ME to prove YOUR point?

No thank you.

You are making a fool of yourself, and I don't want to get in your way.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

15. Yes I do, prove my point... since you cannot prove you own.

[cosmik debris]

16. You have proved my point

With your own posts.

Now prove your own point and quit begging for help.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

17. No I didn't. Your reading comprehension is lacking a tad. May I

suggest you work on it?

[cosmik debris]

18. You posted studies proving the safety of amalgam

That was good enough proof for me.

You also proved that you don't read the studies you cite. You can't post the conclusion to the study because you haven't read it.

And you proved that you misrepresent the studies that you cite. In the OP you made a comment about amalgam and cited a study that says nothing about amalgam.

In summary,

You don't read the studies you cite,

you misrepresent the studies you cite,

and you proved the OPPOSITE of what you intended to prove.

And you proved it all by yourself!

[cosmik debris]

20. I googled Geier fraud--got 83,000 hits.

Including this critique of the study cited by the OP

http://epiwonk.com/?p=55

[trotsky]

22. Nice work, fellow "sweeper"!

Our big pharma overlords will definitely be pleased.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

36. More imaginary data sets

Bone lead levels and delinquent behavior.
Needleman HL, Riess JA, Tobin MJ, Biesecker GE, Greenhouse JB.

Department of Psychiatry, University of Pittsburgh (Pa) School of Medicine, USA.

OBJECTIVE--To evaluate the association between body lead burden and social adjustment. DESIGN--Retrospective cohort study. SETTING--Public school community.

PARTICIPANTS--From a population of 850 boys in the first grade at public schools, 503 were selected on the basis of a risk scale for antisocial behavior. All of the 850 boys who scored in the upper 30th percentile of the distribution on a self-reported antisocial behavior scale were matched with an equal number drawn by lot from the lower 70% of the distribution. From this sample, 301 students accepted the invitation to participate.

EXPOSURE MEASURE--K x-ray fluorescence spectroscopy of tibia at subjects' age of 12 years. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES--Child Behavior Checklist (CBCL), teachers' and parents' reports, and subjects' self-report of antisocial behavior and delinquency at 7 and 11 years of age. RESULTS--Subjects, teachers, and parents were blind to the bone lead measurements. At 7 years of age, borderline associations between teachers' aggression, delinquency, and externalizing scores and lead levels were observed after adjustment for covariates. At 11 years of age, parents reported a significant lead-related association with the following CBCL cluster scores: somatic complaints and delinquent, aggressive, internalizing, and externalizing behavior.

Teachers reported significant associations of lead with somatic complaints, anxious/depressed behavior, social problems, attention problems, and delinquent, aggressive, internalizing, and externalizing behavior. High-lead subjects reported higher scores in subjects' self-reports of delinquency at 11 years. High-lead subjects were more likely to obtain worse scores on all items of the CBCL during the 4-year period of observation. High bone lead levels were associated with an increased risk of exceeding the clinical score (T > 70) for attention, aggression, and delinquency. CONCLUSION--Lead exposure is associated with increased risk for antisocial and delinquent behavior, and the effect follows a developmental course.

PMID: 8569015

[cosmik debris]

37. You start off complaining that Mercury is the problem

Now you say lead is the problem.

In another thread you claim that Zinc deficiency is the problem.

You may not be scatter brained, but your message is.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

38. Heavy metals are the problem, the inability to metabolize or

excrete them is the problem, and the resultant zinc/copper ratio disturbances is the problem. Your problem is that you cannot read.

I googled my name and fraud and came up with 8 results.

Results 1 - 8 of 8 for 4moronicyears fraud. (0.25 seconds)

[cosmik debris]

39. Oooo! That's rich!

You tell me "Your problem is that you cannot read." but I am the one who reads your studies and finds the problems.

If YOU had read the studies you posted on amalgam you would have seen that they prove the safety of amalgam.

If YOU had read the studies you posted on human testing of Resveratrol you would have learned that there was no human testing. (remember 0-18)

If YOU had read the study on Zn deficiency you would have seen that it had nothing to do with plaque which was the subject of the thread.

If YOU had read the study you posted in this thread you would have realized that your opening statement on amalgam is NOT supported by a study on vaccines.

If YOU had read the study in the OP you would have learned that they "made up" 125 cases just to pad their statistics.

If YOU had read all the horror stories about the Geiers lies and deceit you wouldn't still be using them as a reference.

So you are welcome to criticize my reading ability. But the evidence is clear that YOU are the one who doesn't read.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

40. Well since you cannot comprehend what I am giving to you

through the written word, take the time to watch this short video and perhaps some "science" will dawn on you, perhaps not. You may return to sweeping afterward if you "don't get with the program".

Video of Hg destroying the ability of neurons to grow and how it is accomplished: http://movies.commons.ucalgary.ca/showcase/curtains.php?src=http://apollo.ucalgary.ca/mercury/movies/Lor2_QTS_700kb_QD.mov&screenwidth=512&screenheight=400&curtains=no

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/05/11/mercury_toxic_amalgam_unsuitable_for_dental_restoration.htm
Mercury: Toxic Amalgam 'Unsuitable for Dental Restoration'
Categories
Environment
Health

While the European Union is consulting stake holders in an effort to develop a strategy for limiting environmental mercury pollution, we are continuing to use mercury, which is highly neuro-toxic, in "medical" uses such as tooth fillings and vaccines. If you would like to observe how mercury acts on growing neuronal tissue, there is a film made by the University of Calgary and available here.

Unfortunately, while our awareness of environmental pollution is developing, medical use of this highly toxic substance has been justified by "experts" over the years, dismissing warning voices as irrelevant. The consequence: A growing host of neurological disorders that strikes at an ever earlier age in children and degenerative diseases that disable many of the elderly. Mercury in tooth fillings constitutes a continuous source of free radical stress as reported by Poul Møller. Consequently, "new, unexplained illnesses" have come into being in recent decades. The insidious consequences of this constant pollution of our biological "environment" and how the chemical industry in collusion with psychiatry is deflecting responsibility away from the poisons and the poisoners, are discussed in Skewed - Martin Walker's latest book.

Poul Møller, who is a retired scientist (chemical engineering), found that health trouble in his immediate family environment could be traced back to mercury poisoning. In 2002, Møller wrote to members of the European Parliament and to Health and Environment Commissioner David Byrne, pointing out the dangers of a continued use of mercury in dental fillings.

Mercury in vaccines has been linked to an epidemic of autism in children leading to recent fears of damage claims. The link between mercury and autism has been discussed in a recent book by Courtney Zietzke, father of an autistic child, who has brought together a host of documentation, published under the title Mercury : The Winged Messenger.

Clearly, with mercury accumulating in the food chain, used in tooth fillings and injected into the bodies of toddlers with vaccines, exposure is approaching intolerable levels and has shown disastrous health consequences. Two epidemics of chronic disease, the one visible in the older generation and the mental problems/autism related diseases in the youngsters may well lead back to this ubiquitous pollutant - mercury. Scientists are at a loss. No solution to these epidemics has so far been found.

Considering that chronic diseases are created by amalgam-mercury, that is, by a great surplus of free radicals, to which mercury represents a major contributing factor, it becomes obvious that, apart from limiting environmental mercury exposure, we must take steps to immediately end the "medical" use of this most poisonous of heavy metals. In the meantime, patients affected can greatly benefit from supplementation of generous quantities of antioxidants.

[cosmik debris]

43. I caught your mistakes because I comprehend what you can't.

Remember when 0 out of 18 of your studies supported your position?

Remember when you posted studies that prove the safety of amalgam when you were trying to prove the danger of amalgam?

Until you can post intelligent RELATED studies, you only prove my point that you don't bother to read what you post.

So, feel free to insult me all you wish. The facts show that you are the one full of shit.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

44. Yes, I do feel the urge to go.... you may call Europe anytime and

inform them that their feeble efforts to protect their populations from Hg in amalgam will result in a catastropic failure. If I post information that supports the fact that amalgams are harmful to mankind you continuously go back to the studies that don't support that position. Your ability to intake new information is selective and you are only able to take in what supports your present paradigm. Pity that.

[cosmik debris]

46. I've got Europe on the phone right now, who should I ask for?

:rofl:

[HysteryDiagnosis]

41. I googled my name and fraud and got 8 hits..... yours on the

other hand returned quite a bit more. The Europeans get it, soon enough we will as well.



European Commission,
DG Environment, Unit G2 Industry,
B-1049 Brussels, Belgium

RESPONSE TO YOUR CONSULTATION ON THE STRATEGY ON MERCURY

Having a MSc degree in Chem.Eng. and a career in the food industry I do appreciate your efforts to clear up the aberrations made by chemists of my generation. Specially that you throw light on the most toxic non-radioactive heavy metal, mercury, and encourage competent citizens to send their comments to the strategy proposed.

I am retired and completely independent. Due to severe diseases of amalgam-origin in my close family I have for many years studied its connection to chronic diseases. With basic and exact documented chemistry and studies of biochemistry and biology I go from cause to disease. The medical world goes from disease to cause by selecting the statistically most significant one among a series of hypotheses. If the real cause is not included, it will not be found..

The contribution is unique, as I combine statements from Scandinavian Health Authorities and point out their confession of the severe neurotoxicity of amalgam in teeth.

I hope my comments will be dealt with by some of your unprejudiced scientists.

Kind regards
Poul Møller.

RESPONSE TO YOUR CONSULTATION ON THE STRATEGY ON MERCURY

A. SUMMARY AND CONCLUSIONS.

Gentlemen, this contribution is unique: Statements from the Scandinavian Health Authorities, when combined, confess the severe neurotoxicity of amalgam. They deal the final death blow to this horror and end the controversy. The rest is politics.

Anyone having learnt Science at High School level, physicians, dentists, chemists, must be able to realize, that the chemistry and migration of mercury, Hg, does not stop when it is placed in teeth. It exerts its aggressivity in the human body, as convincingly described below. In contrast to clinical research it is exact science, that got its documentation a century ago.

EU-citizens have 1.300 - 2.200 tonnes of Hg in their fillings, i.e. 3,5 - 6 g/capita, an awful mistake by dentistry and authorities; every atom is toxic. The release is dominant to the intake from food. We may have 3-5 g Hg in depots, more than all Persistant Organic Pollutants (POP's) taken together. Both groups seem to develop similar health effects, however, those of Hg have got no attention: They are easy to explain. Dentistry has been extremely successful in claiming amalgam safe. Thus research, where Hg plays a non-considered role, i.e. the majority, is half-done work.

The Western World has two epidemics of chronic diseases: Among the elderly and among the rising generation getting physical or mental defects, diminished intelligence, autism, need of costly special education etc. Their mothers suffer from miscarriage, stillborn or premature babies. Attacks from Hg ex amalgam on vital organs will sooner or later be accepted as the common cause. School medicine diagnoses wrongly; it does not target treatment, medication and research correctly, a waste of resources of a size that will be unaffordable in a few years. A blunder of gigantic dimensions.

It is high time for the Health Authorities to remove the blinkers, take responsibility for the unlimited, reckless use of amalgam, agree to a ban and organize re-education of physicians and dentists. There is no other way ahead. Universities must become aware of toxic dentistry and teach how to recover patients correctly. It will be a great and costly task requiring a powerful order of priority. But it will prevent the disorders mentioned. Additionally Hg in all drugs and vaccines, the reason for the autism epidemics in UK and USA must be banned.

The continuous accumulation of methyl-Hg in Nature points to a substantial risk for top intelligence in the Western World and its ability of judgement.

The UN University has just issued: “The brainpower of entire nations has diminished because of a shortage of the right vitamins. The most disturbing gap between countries with good and poor nutrition is in intelligence”, said C. Garza, a Cornell Univ. professor who also leads the nutrition program at UN. “A difference of 5 to 7 IQ points does not sound like a lot, but you have to look at the tail ends of the curves. You are significantly reducing the number of gifted people and increasing the number of people with mental incapacities”.

Among the many proposals the effect of Hg is not considered. Antioxidants including anti-oxidative vitamins are destroyed by a great surplus of free radicals. Their dominant source is Hg. Thus it plays an important role. We have seen it in the last decades. Neither do we know whether our genes have been irreversibly changed by attacks on DNA during the long time of poisoning. Our biological problem is, that we have no enzymes to make all these persistent chemicals water soluble.

Other issues: The health situation is so alarming as the damage has spread to our children. Thus: Please, stop long discussions! Act! Cut things short! Rather today than tomorrow.


B. THE OFFICIAL CONFESSION OF THE DANGER OF AMALGAM.

The National Health Service of Denmark, Sundhedsstyrelsen, answered some questions by the Parliamentary Committee following my audience: Oct. 24, 2001 it wrote:

“The adviser of the Health Department calls attention to the neurotoxicity of inorganic mercury. Further, he states, that organic mercury is strongly neurotoxic with extensive damage on the central nervous system and the peripheral nerves. The department agrees, but these cases of severe chronic poisoning are not to be compared with the minimal amounts of mercury released from tooth fillings of silver amalgam and absorbed in the organism”.

The amounts are, however, not at all minimal as stated by the Norwegians and the Swedes.

The Norwegian authority, Helsedirektoratet, Oslo, issued new Guidelines for the use of materials for tooth restorations, valid July 1, 2003. On pages 10 and 14:

“It has been known for long, that mercury is being released from amalgam fillings, and during the latest decades comparatively much documentation has appeared showing, that more Hg is released than previously assumed and more is absorbed in the human organism.

During the latest 10-15 years it has been documented, that Hg from amalgam fillings is traced in unwanted places. It has been established, that the amount of Hg in the brains of dead people correlates with the number of amalgam fillings. Hg penetrates placenta and the concentration of Hg in the fetus correlates with the number of amalgam fillings of the mother. The amount of Hg in breast milk increases with an increasing number of fillings of the mother. People with amalgam have more Hg in body fluids than people without.

Although amalgam has been used for more than 100 years and is the substance that contributed most to save the Norwegian people from toothlessness, there is great agreement, that amalgam fillings is an essential part of the exposure of Hg in the general population. It is known that Hg in high doses is leading to disturbances in the function of the brain, kidneys, the immune system and the development of the fetus. There is no base to set a lower limit for a non-dangerous influence.”

In opposition to DK: “To-day dentists have more good alternatives to amalgam. None of them replaces amalgam for all indications, but taken together, they cover the whole area”.

The Norwegian conlusion: Advice against the use of amalgam.

In May 2003 the Swedish Government received the Dental report. Prof. Maths Berlin, a former chairman of the WHO committee on Hg, had been commissioned to update his risk analysis of 1997. Medline 1997-2002 gave more than 700 references out of totally 3.600; they were read and assessed. A lot of risks were identified.

Prof. Berlin in Oslo May 29, 2000 (official report p. 89-90):

“The risks of using amalgam are too high. The toxicological profile in terms of adverse effects on the CNS is nasty enough to motivate the exclusion of amalgam”. The US-Congress-Hearing May 8, 2003: “Historical safety margins with respect to mercury exposure from amalgam fillings are now nonexistent”.

The report in English, p. 25-26: “With reference to the fact that mercury is a multipotent toxin with effects on several levels of the biochemical dynamics of the cell, amalgam must be considered an unsuitable material for dental restoration. This is specially true since fully adequate and less toxic alternatives are available.

With reference to the risk of inhibiting influence on the growing brain, it is not compatible with science and well-tried experience to use amalgam fillings in children and fertile women” (no Hg in females until the age of 40!)

“Every doctor and dentist should, where patients are suffering from unclear pathological states and autoimmune diseases, consider whether side-effects from mercury released from amalgam may be one contributory cause of the symptoms.

The risk of inhibition of brain development during the fetal stage and early childhood is obvious, p. 22.

Three new health risks have emerged which, with reasonable suspicion, may conceivably be attributed to Hg from amalgam: These hazards involve influence on the retina, testicles and thyroid functions, p. 20. Hg remains in the retina for a very long time - often for years, p. 9. Likewise in testicles, p.16”.

The Swedish conclusion: The Goverment wants a ban on amalgam.

[trotsky]

45. LMAO

Someday you'll have a single coherent point. I just know you will.

[varkam]

29. I googled geier legitimate scientist and got 7,300.

:shrug:

[cosmik debris]

2. Have you read the "conclusions" section of that study?

It might be wise to do your homework before you make any rash claims.

And even the Abstract says nothing about amalgam. But that's OK, you have already proved that amalgam is safe.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. You are full of doo doo once again. Amalgam is safe for some

and tremedously damaging to others.

[cosmik debris]

5. "No statistically significant difference."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=222&topic_id=36574&mesg_id=36582

I only cited studies you pointed me to with your own posts.

That's why I suggested that you do your homework and post the "conclusion" section of the study instead of just the abstract.

But some Dr. Googles don't want to do their homework, so they get it wrong.

[cosmik debris]

21. They pulled the stats right out of their asses!

“Based on the average age at diagnosis for all cohorts the 1995 count of autism cases was increased by 45 cases with the assumption that all of these would have been added in the 5 year age group (bringing this percentage close to the overall average of of 37% diagnosed after 5 years of age.) The same was done for 1996, but the number of cases was augmented by 80 because it was assumed that these would be diagnosed in the 4.5 to 5 and 5 groups essentially bringing the percentage after age 4.5 close to the overall average of 50% diagnosed after 4.5 years of age.”

They made up 125 cases so that their statistics would look better.

Is that good science, or is that fraud?

[varkam]

27. We all know the Geiers are top-notch researchers.

That's not the first time they've pulled numbers out of thin air, either.

[cosmik debris]

23. Now this is interesting

KAISER FOUNDATION
RESEARCH INSTITUTE
1800 Harrison Street
Oakland, CA 94162

February 25, 2004

Mark Geier, MD
Principal Investigator
The Genetic Centers of America
14 Redgate Court
Silver Springs, MD 20905

Re: A Series of Studies to Analyze the Vaccine Safety Database

Dear Dr. Geier:

On February 19, 2004, the Kaiser Permanente Northern California (KPNC) Institutional Review Board (IRB) suspended your research project pending the following:

Submission of a response from you to the attached letter, which the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently sent to the IRB notifying it of reports received from the technical monitors who accompanied you on visits to the CDC Research Data Center (RDC)
Please note: The ITB views with great concern the reported attempt to breach confidentiality and your attempts to merge data and conduct analyses which were not in accord with CDC procedures.

Also note: as a result of this suspension, you and your co-investigator are prohibited, until notified otherwise, from accessing VSD data derived from Colorado Kaiser Permanente and Northern California Kaiser Permanente institutional officials.

Federal regulations and KPNC/IRB policy prohibit conduct of research that has been suspended by the IRB. The IRB is required to report, and will proceed to report, the suspension of this study to the CDC and Kaiser Permanente institutional officials.

The following actions are required:

You must immediately cease all activities which involve Kaiser Permanente data, as it is required by federal regulations and KPNC IRB policy.
You must inform the IRB of any research-related activity continued beyond this notification of study suspension, providing the reason(s) for continuation.
You must provide written notification of study suspension and the required cessation of all research activities to the co- and sub- investigators, if any, participating in this research within five business days of receiving this notification.
The IRB requires that you provide your response to the CDC's letter to KFRI via e-mail to KPNC IRB on Lotus Notes, or [e-mail], or by U.S. Mail by noon on March 8, 2004, for review at the March 18, 2004 IRM meeting.

Sincerely

Leigh Pruneau, PhD, RN
KPNC/IRB Administrator

[cosmik debris]

24. This is interesting too.

In 2003, a special master who presided over a case of alleged vaccine injury issued a report that severely criticized Dr. Geier's analysis of a case. The ruling is especially noteworthy because the special master referred to him as "a professional witness in areas for which he has no training, expertise, and experience" and listed nine other cases in which Geier's expert testimony was given "no weight."

[cosmik debris]

25. More bad news for Geier

Twice he has been REJECTED as an expert witness in court cases.

In one case:

"“The court has found, however, that Dr. Geier’s testimony must be excluded because he is not qualified as a pediatrician, neurologist, toxicologist, or epidemiologist, and because his opinion is not reliable… There is no evidence that Dr. Geier has either the training or the background to diagnose autism or to treat autism in any child…"

In another case:

“Upon being subjected to extensive cross examination, much of Dr. Geier’s analysis, based upon his collective review of a motley assortment of diverse literature, proved, in the Court’s view, to be overstated… . For example, in examining Dr. Geier’s methodology, the Court notes that Dr. Geier could not point to a single study, including anything that he had published, that conclusively determined that the amount of thimerosal in RhoGAM when given not to the fetus but to the mother, as in this case, could cause autism… This Court must find more than the ‘hypothesis and speculation,’ engaged in by Dr. Geier in this instance, in order to allow Dr. Geier to rely upon the methodology he used in forming a conclusion based upon his review of the literature presented to the Court… The Court finds that Dr. Geier’s literature review, in this instance, does not meet the Daubert standard of being both derived by the scientific method and relevant to the ‘task at hand."

“…The Court is particularly concerned as to a potential bias in Dr. Geier’s methodology and ultimate conclusion given the recency of Dr. Geier’s research into the cause of autism, which he admittedly began in only the last two and a half years, a time period that also represents the pendency of this lawsuit… The Court finds that Dr. Geier (1) was not specifically qualified to perform a differential diagnosis of a pediatric neurological disorder, and, that (2) he did not properly perform the differential diagnosis given his failure to consider within his analysis the high probability that an unknown genetic cause cannot be ruled out as the specific cause of Minor Child Doe’s autism.”

[varkam]

26. I can't believe you're still hitching your wagon to the Geiers.

When they're not hacks, they're frauds and when they're not frauds, they're hacks.

Oh, no wait - I can believe you're still hitching your wagon to the Geiers as for some it is not a matter of truth and data but one of faith and belief. Why I do believe you'd follow anyone so long as they're singing your favorite song. Doesn't it strike you as the least bit odd that the Geiers are pretty much the only researchers claiming that mercury exposure causes autism whereas hundreds of other researchers have found no such correlation? Doesn't it strike you a little odd that the Geiers have personally pocketed tens of thousands of dollars in consulting fees in conjunction Shoemaker? Doesn't it strike you a little odd that the Geiers have pocketed who knows how much money from families of autistic children for "treatment"? Doesn't it strike you as a little odd that the Geiers stacked their IRB with cronies who approved the Lupron protocol, of which the younger Geier was the CEO of the manufacturer? Doesn't it strike you odd that they've had studies yanked for manufacturing data? Doesn't it strike you odd at all? Of course it doesn't.

Sweepers, indeed.

[semillama]

48. Geiers wagon hitching and cognitive dissonance

http://marriedtothesea.com

I was going to write something about how this thread is a classic example of cognitive dissonance, but I thought that a picture was worth a thousand words.

[chicagomd]

49. This "study" is beyond crap.

http://epiwonk.com/?p=55

They invented outcomes.

"She decides to use an imputation procedure to impute values for parental income, gestational age, and birthweight where they were missing. Perfectly fine, legitimate, and scientifically valid under most circumstances. However, let’s say the outcome she’s interested in is autism. She examines the data and sees that in certain cohorts in her study population the distribution of autism isn’t quite what she would like. So she “imputes” autism cases into the data set. Except that she’s not imputing a value on a variable for an existing study participant. She’s adding imaginary autism cases into the analysis."

This is a strict statistically evaluation, not a comment on the outcomes, the authors, or the motivation behind the study.

Everything you read that appeals to your world view is not valid.

[TZ]

50. Take some more science classes

And stop thinking Google gives you a science degree! Look up the concept of LD50 sometime. And the TONS of research done by NIH AND WHO have analyzed data and found this crap to be BUNK!!
In fact, its now widely believed by non-dr.google scientists that mercury in small doses is not NEARLY as harmful as once believed.
But what they hell do I know..I got my science DEGREE legitimately not through internet research.