Home surgery: breaking the medical monopoly

[sweetheart]

The locked thread described 2 example conditions on which one might use
home surgery. I brought the subject up endemically, as is my writing
style, to "be" the concept, not just discuss it at arms length. I was not
asking for medical advise, but pointing towards a monopoly problem.

Doctors get a free monopoly from the state in perscribing medicine and
in not being responsible if somebody dies on their qualified operating table
or from their qualified medications advise. But this position of monopoly
has been grossly abused by for-profit drugs companies, and by some
unscrupulous doctors.

So I think its time that doctors are brought down off the pedestal, and that
citizens get the same rights to perscribe medications, to be their own doctors
fully under the law, with the same ability to send tissue to medical labs, to
send off blood tests and all that.

Worse yet, this for-profit medical monopoly is not treating a billion poor
poeple who can't afford treatment, largely due to monopoly abuse. A simple
sort of medical reform would be for the public to expropriate the patents for
all public-disease medicines using eminent domain, and to remove all special
powers from doctors back to the citizen. The monopoly needs a trust buster.

Underground panther put up these excellent websites/books for taking back
the power from doctors that has somehow been expropriated from the citizen:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1574090135/102-0729073...
http://www.doctoryourself.com/index.html

As progressives, if we are to be sincere in caring for the billions suffering
on teh bottom of the socal slag heap as well as the top, then making sure that
no monopolist withholds care, worldwide, should it not be taken to task root
and branch.

[MercutioATC]

1. Same reply as in the locked thread. "Home surgery" is silly.

Natural remedies? Great!

Preventative medicine? Fantastic!

Home surgery? Silly.



Why take the risk if it was not a serious medical issue? If it WAS a serious medical issue why not go to an emergency room (where they HAVE to treat you by law, whether or not you can pay)?


I agree, in part, with your position but advocating "home surgery" makes no sense.

[Warpy]

5. Yeah, I hate to point it out

but doing surgery in non sterile areas and without anesthesia KILLED PEOPLE, which is why the "medical monopoly" started doing it in sterile operating rooms with sterile instruments and other monopolists supplying anesthesia.

This idea is silly.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

2. Home surgery?

You're not joking?

I can see the tests, meds, and all that. But how the heck would you accomplish home surgery?

[freeplessinseattle]

3. hey, I gave myself a frontal lobotomy...I think

don't remember how I did it tho. and how would I know if I messed up?

[3waygeek]

7. You'd be president n/t

[sweetheart]

11. whats wrong with freedom and self determination

I'm saying, that when the only treatment available is a home remedy, why
not arm the public. Instead, the public is disempowered, and even doctors
are unaware of the worldwide developments in treatments for all areas of
medicine... its impossible for a doctor to be read up and still practice
medicine, so honestly if a patient wants to be well read on whatever sickness
they suffer from, they can know more than their doctor.

Cutting off a skin cancerous mole is an example of a home surgery that can
be done with a sharp blade, everything obviously spotlessly clean, well lit
and prepared, not like in a british hospital where staff infection kills people
regularly.... Just entering a hospital is actually dangerous to your health,
given the standards of cleanliness. I would figure a common persons of any
sort can figure out how to wash their hands and clean the area.

The problem really is in pain killers. When i've cut off moles and things
that i could not afford to have burned off in past, i did use an exacto blade
whisky and bit on a piece of cloth for the pain. It felt like crimiean war triage,
but at least i could afford it at the time, and i saved 500 dollars and got
my problem sorted on my own schedule.

Had i an extra 500 bucks and a need for exposing myself to an unlimited downside
of hosptial incompetence, i might have visited a regular clinic. But to afford
really proper care, it would be 2000 bucks as elective surgery outside of the
health insurance plan... but for something that causes pain when walking or
is clearly a malignant mole.

Hey, if you got the money, then go to a doctor. Giving a citizen equal rights
as a doctor in treating their OWN body seems pretty fair given that this monopoly
actually deprives persons who "can" self treat from access to the advances of
modern medicine. It is draconian, IMO. And of course persons would be well
advised to find a suitable doctor if they can afford one.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

4. How very libertarian...

There is a reason it takes many, many years to become a doctor. Most people couldn't pass a basic organic chemistry course, let alone advanced studies.

Unregulated medicine and home surgery, no way.

[MercutioATC]

6. The author if the "DoctorYourself" link isn't even an MD...

his bio:

"About the Author: Andrew Saul, Ph.D., a biologist and teacher, has beena consulting specialist in natural healing for more than twenty-five years, helping medical doctors’ problem patients get better. He has taught hundreds of students at New York Chiropractic College and the State University of New York. Dr. Saul’s previous book, Paperback Clinic, has been used as both a college textbook and reference work for health practitioners. He lives and practices in upstate New York."


...and here's what he advocates...

"Bleeding is nature’s way of cleaning a wound, so antiseptics and antibiotics are needed only rarely. If the wound is less than perfectly clean, I apply some iodine tincture to it, BUT NOT RIGHT AWAY… because it hurts! Wait until you see slight redness, giving it a couple of days, before using an antiseptic."

http://www.doctoryourself.com/surgery.html

Isn't "redness" a sign of infection? Isn't the goal to avoid infection?

Seems dubious to me...

[elehhhhna]

8. "don't wash your hands before performing home surgery...

as it also kills all the GOOD bacteria."

[Mnemosyne]

9. Don't worry, we'll have home surgery if Alito

gets confirmed.

Thank the pro-back alley abortion people for it.

In peace,
V

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

10. Game, set, match! Exactly. eom

[sweetheart]

12. i just googled that

"how to perform your own home abortion", and not a single website came
up explaining to women around the world how to perform a home abortion
as safely as possible given illegality.

Why is this info not given to women around the world, for the price of a
fikkin website page. It could at least explain the procedure for different
levels of pregnancy. Instead, i get a bunch of google adverts trying
to tell me to "keep the baby" and consider my options, and some others
selling me the different clinics... but nothing that tells a woman
who has self determiniation over her own body, how to do something
that she's gonna do with a wire anyways. Given the internet's global
nature, surely a general procedure in the public domain is safer than
a load of doctors the woman will never be able to be treated by.

I'm sorry about alito, but i think they are gonna push him through
or hand an even uglier candidate from the right side of their list as
an alternative.

[sweetheart]

13. found one

http://www.sisterzeus.com/Hsp1shlp.htm

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

14. I'm going to lock this thread.

DU members are really not qualified to give advice about home surgery.

Also, this thread was locked once before.

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thank you for your understanding,

best,
wakemeupwhenitsover
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