Public Needs To Know Vaccines Safe, Docs Say

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

CHICAGO -- A coalition of 22 major medical groups said public health officials need to restore confidence in vaccine safety or the country will face a greater risk of disease outbreaks.

The message comes from the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics and 20 other health-related groups.

Their concern stems from recent measles outbreaks in several U.S. cities.

As of last month, health officials report 131 children have gotten measles this year. That's the highest number in more than a decade. Nearly half of those cases involved children whose parents rejected vaccination.

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Link: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/health/17507855/detail.html?rss=bos&psp=news

[beam me up scottie]

1. Dave, Dave, Dave...

what are we going to do with you?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

2. Stamp my meal card no dessert , I guess.

[varkam]

3. Awesome smiley

:rofl:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

4. Public Needs To Know Voting Machines Safe, Voting Vendors Say

but they aren't.

There's a reason people have lost confidence in vaccines and voting machines.

[Orrex]

5. Sure, but one has nothing to do with the other.

People have lost confidence in voting machines because they have been unambiguously shown to be vulnerable to untraceable hacking, and the companies that own them are on record as pushing for Republican wins.

In contrast, people have lost confidence in vaccines because celebrities and opportunists have been preying on people's anxiety and ignorance about processes that they don't understand. That these fear-mongerers hve been at all successful is a testament to the gullabiity of non-critical thinkers even in the 21st century.


Mysteriously, people have not lost their magical faith in shark cartilage or green tea or whatever, so its proponents still hawk it, and the credulous still buy it.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

6. I'm pretty sure voting machines don't cause a lot of physical injuries.

I'll be happy to look at your data though.

David

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

10. how many people have died thanks to fraudulent elections?

Our votes haven't counted for years now.

We've come a long ways, but we still have enough problems that a single
state could throw the election Florida style.

In fact, Florida could screw it up again, because EVEN with all paper ballots,
they had to recount a recent Palm Beach election 7 times over a period of several weeks
before they could certify a recent election.

AL GORE WAS WINNING UNTIL THE MACHINE BEGAN SUBTRACTING VOTES (16,000 OF THEM)

"DELAND, Fla., Nov. 11 - Something very strange happened on election night to Deborah Tannenbaum, a Democratic Party official in Volusia County. At 10 p.m., she called the county elections department and learned that Al Gore was leading George W. Bush 83,000 votes to 62,000. But when she checked the county's Web site for an update half an hour later, she found a startling development: Gore's count had dropped by 16,000 votes, while an obscure Socialist candidate had picked up 10,000--all because of a single precinct with only 600 voters."
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

That vote subtracting bug was still in action in 2004 in Broward County Florida and also Guilford County North Carolina.

In Guilford County, ES&S early voting machines had capacity problems, which affected anywhere from 6,000 to 20,000 ballots. Story Archive http://www.votersunite.org/article.asp?id=3699

The totals were so large, the tabulation computer threw some numbers away. Retallying changed two outcomes and gave an additional 22000 votes to Kerry. Story Archive http://www.votersunite.org/article.asp?id=3719

ES&S explained that the Unity 2.2 tally software reached 32,767 (32K) and began subtracting from the totals (same as in Broward County). ES&S had known about the problem but not told its customers

Guilford County BOE didn't know that its central tabulator could not add more than 32,767 votes? Why? Letter from ES&S explaining to Guilford County (603K)
http://www.votersunite.org/info/GuilfordESS.pdf

VoteTrustUSA - VoteTrustUSA: What Are We Working For?Broward County, Florida. November 2004. ES&S Unity Tally Software: ES&S vote- tallying software loses 70000 votes for Amendment 4. The bug, discovered two ...
www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=107&Itemid=94

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

11. That's hard to say.

Depends on whose estimates you use and what things you include.

David

[varkam]

7. Your analogy thingie is boken. eom

[xchrom]

8. kick

[xchrom]

9. kick

[Darwins Doberman]

12. is this all related to the bullshit report about MMR vaccines causing autism?

[lizerdbits]

13. Yes, and welcome

People read on teh inter-tubes that vaccines will kill their children so decided to not get them, in some cases lying about religious exemptions to still get their kids in public schools.

[Darwins Doberman]

14. good to see stupidity prevailing over the welfare of children

:eyes:

It's been ten years since that report was debunked thoroughly, who keeps pushing this idiocy?

[lizerdbits]

15. Just stick around

if you can bear it. They pop up in cycles here.

[Orrex]

16. In fairness

I truly believe that in most cases that the sincere desire to protect the welfare of children wholly overwhelms the capacity or willingness to undertake a critical, objective review of the subject. That's how you get people claiming, for instance, that they don't have to risk vaccinating their kids against measles because you've vaccinated yours.

Sure, their intentions are probably good, but they're seriously misguided.


Welcome to DU, by the way! Be prepared to be called a "sweeper" or a "shill."

[Darwins Doberman]

17. If I had children I would do my best to undertake critical objective review

of something like this.

[Orrex]

18. I concur

But that's us...