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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 07:43 PM
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Woman on CNN, wife of senator of N.J. had postpartum depression....
received (I imagine) the best medical help money can buy, took them a year to find a "medicine" MAO that "worked". A YEAR. The best minds in the medical field. It had to be treated with a "chemical". Stupid stupid medical profession. They can't even figure out why a woman develops postpartum depression. Stupid stupid medical profession, or perhaps it is just that they have been shielded from the truth....

Docosahexanoic acid is a healthy fat, an algae or fish derived oil. Not too complicated. Perhaps the senator's wife would have liked to have been told about it by some professional person.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12907133
1: Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2003 Oct;69(4):237-43. Related Articles, Links
Increased risk of postpartum depressive symptoms is associated with slower normalization after pregnancy of the functional docosahexaenoic acid status.

Otto SJ, de Groot RH, Hornstra G.

>>From this observation it seems that the availability of DHA in the postpartum period is less in women developing depressive symptoms. Although further studies are needed for confirmation, increasing the dietary DHA intake during pregnancy and postpartum, seems prudent.<<

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12103448
Department of Public Health, Erasmus MC, University Medical Center Rotterdam, P.O. Box 1738, DR Rotterdam 3000, The Netherlands.

1: J Affect Disord. 2002 May;69(1-3):15-29. Related Articles, Links
Seafood consumption, the DHA content of mothers' milk and prevalence rates of postpartum depression: a cross-national, ecological analysis.
Hibbeln JR.

Laboratory of Membrane Biophysics and Biochemistry, National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, National Institutes of Health, Park 5, Room 150, 12420 Parklawn Drive, Rockville, MD 20892, USA.jhibbeln@niaaa.nih.gov

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12509593
1: Pediatrics. 2003 Jan;111(1):e39-44. Related Articles, Links
Maternal supplementation with very-long-chain n-3 fatty acids during pregnancy and lactation augments children's IQ at 4 years of age.

Helland IB, Smith L, Saarem K, Saugstad OD, Drevon CA.

Institute for Nutrition Research, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway. Peter Moller, avd Orkla, ASA, Oslo, Norway. ingrid.helland@rikshospitalet.no

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12198007
1: Am J Clin Nutr. 2002 Sep;76(3):608-13. Related Articles, Links

Erratum in:

* Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Dec;78(6):1227.


Comment in:

* Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 Feb;79(2):334; author reply 334-5.

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Higher maternal plasma docosahexaenoic acid during pregnancy is associated with more mature neonatal sleep-state patterning.

Cheruku SR, Montgomery-Downs HE, Farkas SL, Thoman EB, Lammi-Keefe CJ.

Department of Nutritional Sciences, the University of Connecticut, Storrs 06269-4017, USA.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 08:06 PM
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1. It could be as simple as this.... really.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 08:16 PM
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2. Let me take a wild guess...
You don't care much for conventional medicine, do you?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 08:20 PM
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3. You don't care much for conventional medicine, do you?
Let me guess, you would rather take a chemical to replace a nutrient that Americans get WAY TOO LITTLE of in the first place, which prolly plays a huge part in the amount of SSRI's and MAO's gobbled down by our society. If you are ok with that, then so be it. I think it is rather dumb to ignore the obvious.

www.drugawareness.org


SEPTEMBER 14, 2004
FDA LINKS SSRIs TO SUICIDE IN KIDS

9/16/2004


Risks of Antidepressants

THE NEW YORK TIMES EDITORIAL

An advisory panel to the Food and Drug Administration was quite right this week when it urged the strongest possible warnings for doctors and patients about the potential dangers.

9/16/2004


TELL TRUTH ABOUT ANTIDEPRESSANTS
On drug labels and in medical journals

Newsday

For depressed children, critical trust has been squandered. Washington has to find a way to get it back.

9/16/2004


FDA Agrees on Antidepressant Risks for Youth

By Lisa Richwine
Reuters

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration said on Thursday it "generally supports" an advisory panel's conclusion this week that antidepressants sometimes raise the risk of suicidal behavior in youth.

9/16/2004


Mother of boy who poisoned teen denounces antidepressants

By Lisa Goldberg
Sun Staff

Susan Furlough says she believes that her son had no control over what he did and that something should have been done about the drugs long before her son was given them.

9/15/2004


FDA drags its heels on pediatric anti-depressants

The Journal Times

Studies presented to the committee found that teenagers and children who take anti-depressants are twice as likely to become suicidal as those who are given placebos.

9/14/2004


F.D.A. Links Drugs to Being Suicidal

By GARDINER HARRIS
New York Times

Top officials of the Food and Drug Administration acknowledged for the first time on Monday that antidepressants appeared to lead some children and teenagers to become suicidal.

9/14/2004


Antidepressant 'Black Box' Warning On Suicidality Risk Recommended By Joint Cmte.

Press Release, FDA Advisory Committee

A “black box” warning on the risk of suicidality in pediatric patients should be added to antidepressant drug labeling, a joint FDA advisory committee concluded.

9/12/2004


New Warnings Sought on Antidepressants

By GARDINER HARRIS
New York Times

When the Food and Drug Administration opens an advisory committee hearing tomorrow into the safety of antidepressants, several committee members will push for tougher warnings saying that a child or teenager given the drugs can become suicidal in the first weeks of therapy, they said in interviews.

9/12/2004


Parents to tell their stories to FDA review panel
Outcome could hurt the billion-dollar antidepressant market

BY ED SILVERMAN
Star-Ledger Staff

During the next two days, a simmering national dialogue about the safety of antidepressants will play out in a drab Holiday Inn ballroom in Bethesda, Md.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:28 PM
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4. he's governor now
there was another post on here about him going ballistic with some DJ who pooh-poohed PPD on the air
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:05 AM
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5. It's like this... an American woman on average has 6 times less DHA
in her breastmilk than a Japanese woman. A baby draws DHA off its mother both while in utero and out. (if breastfed). DHA is ESSENTIAL for neurological health. All the modern medical mind has to do is look at this. They don't. Too bad for PPD cases, too bad for the children who have suffered at the hands of PPD moms, too bad for the medical profession which is actually performing malpractice by ignoring the simple truth about all of this.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:43 AM
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6. Got the article that says it all....
Now tell me why the best in medical treatment took over a YEAR to find some chemical to address this woman's symptoms of DHA deficiency.

This sort of patient/treatment scenario is obscene.



http://www.obgyn.net/newsheadlines/headline_medical_news-Obstetrics-20031112-5.asp

DHA regulates postpartum depressive symptoms
Obstetrics
November 12, 2003

DHA regulates postpartum depressive symptoms.

"Observational studies suggest an association between a low docosahexaenoic acid (DHA, 22:6n-3) status after pregnancy and the occurrence of postpartum depression. However, a comparison of the actual biochemical plasma DHA status among women with and without postpartum depression has not been reported yet," scientists in the Netherlands say.

"The contents of DHA and of its status indicator n-6 docosapentaenoic acid (n-6DPA, 22:5n-6) were measured in the plasma phospholipids of 112 women at delivery and 32 weeks postpartum," reported S.J. Otto and colleagues, Maastricht University, Department of Psychiatry and Neurpsychology.

"At this latter time point, the Edinburgh Postnatal Depression Scale (EPDS) questionnaire was completed to measure postpartum depression retrospectively. The EPDS cutoff score of 10 was used to define 'possibly depressed' (EPDS score greater than or equal to 10) and non-depressed women (EPDS score <10). Odds ratios (OR) were calculated using a multiple logistic regression analysis with the EPDS cutoff score as dependent and fatty acid concentrations and ratio's as explanatory variables, while controlling for different covariables."
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 11:59 AM
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7. So physicians are stupid.
And you know more than them because...?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 08:29 PM
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8. Did I say I know more than them?? What I said was that the pharmcos have
owned the med schools for decades which led to a turning away from natural approaches to what are in many cases diseases of nutritional imbalances or deficiencies. If you don't mind being treated by a system that has substituted chemicals that kill, then play through. I have found another route.

www.dhadepot.com
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:46 AM
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9. If you don't know more than them,
then how do you know that what you are arguing is valid?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:19 PM
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10. I know that they kill 136,000 patients a year... I haven't taken out one
yet... but I have helped a few people who weren't getting satisfaction with their specialists... so... I suppose you don't get the connection between DHA levels being depleted and PPD or just plain old depression in the average American. Look it up.

http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/2/medical_errors.htm
Deaths in England Due to Medical Errors up 500%


By Sarah Lyall

About 1,200 people died in public hospitals in Britain last year because of mistakes in prescribing and administering medicine, according to a report published by a government watchdog group.

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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 01:34 PM
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11. How many millions do they save every year?
And how many have you saved?

And how many of that questionable number would have died without medical care?

Answer the original question, please. You are merely diverting. My question has not been answered.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:55 PM
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12. Your question has been changed to how many have they saved, so
which question do you want answered?? Do I know more than them, or how many have they saved??

www.Bastyr.edu
I am in no way affiliated with the above institution, however, I feel that they are doing a fantastic job at correcting our current medical paradigm.

No I don't know more than them.

They have saved many, many people.

They have saved many people by hawking harsh, toxic, deadly and unnecessary medications where natural interventions would have worked just fine, better than drugs.

I don't need to know more than them because I know what works. Name a disease go ahead, name one. I'll give you a better answer than what most people are saddled with.

I will tell you how to get them off narcotics, pain pills, sleep aids, immunosuppressants, etc etc etc.

If you want a system that is so damn expensive that 45million Americans have to go without healthcare (many of them children) then play through.

I have found a better way, it works, I'll stick with it. I don't need to be "saved" by some overeducated, pill pushing, pharmco medbot.

Waiting for you to name a disease/condition/syndrome.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:45 AM
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13. So answer this
If women in Japanese have 3 times this enzyme that americans have in the body, why do they suffer approximately the same amount of depression?

Do you have any double blind studies?

Do you have any reports of the metatisis in the bloodstream and absorbtion rates?

What is the proper amount to take? How do you know this?

What is the side effect profile? Of an overdose? Is this accurate down to 0.1% (the Vioxx percentage) or less? How many thousands of people have you studied this in?

Arsnenic is found in nature, so is aspirin. Both can easily kill you. Both have been revolutionary.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:05 PM
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15. I don't know the toxicity stats of salmon, perhaps I can ask a bear in
the woods how much it takes to upset his stomach or perhaps kill him.

It's not an enzyme, it is a healthy fat that your brain and retina is primarily built from. It is a food, arsenic is not. Deal with it.

Japanese women suffer depression at a rate far less than American women, I don't know what you have been reading or where...

1: J Nutr. 2005 Feb;135(2):206-11. Related Articles, Links
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Directly Quantitated Dietary (n-3) Fatty Acid Intakes of Pregnant Canadian Women Are Lower than Current Dietary Recommendations.

Denomme J, Stark KD, Holub BJ.

Department of Human Biology & Nutritional Sciences, University of Guelph, Guelph, ON, Canada and.

During pregnancy, (n-3) PUFA are incorporated into fetal brain and retinal lipids. Docosahexaenoic acid , in particular, is required physiologically for optimal development and function of the central nervous system. Maternal intake of (n-3) PUFA must be sufficient to maintain maternal tissues stores and meet fetal accruement. Recommendations for pregnant women include an Acceptable Macronutrient Distribution Range (AMDR) of 0.6-1.2% of energy for (n-3) PUFA intake in the current Dietary Reference Intakes, and >/=300 mg/d of DHA suggested by the International Society for the Study of Fatty Acids and Lipids working group. The present study directly quantitated the (n-3) PUFA intake, including DHA, of pregnant, Canadian women (n = 20) in their 2nd and 3rd trimester. Fatty acid intakes were quantitated in triplicate by lipid extraction and GLC of 3-d duplicate food collections calibrated with an internal standard before homogenization. Total fat intakes were also estimated using dietary analysis software from simultaneous 3-d food records to corroborate biochemical analyses. The mean (n-3) PUFA intake was 0.57 +/- 0.06% of energy, with 65% of the women below the AMDR. The mean DHA intake was 82 +/- 33 mg/d, with 90% of the women consuming <300 mg/d. Nutritional education of pregnant women to ensure adequate intakes of (n-3) PUFA for optimal health of mother and child and the inclusion of DHA in prenatal vitamins may be pertinent.

PMID: 15671214

1: Clin Exp Allergy. 2004 Aug;34(8):1237-42. Related Articles, Links
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The effect of supplementation with fish oil during pregnancy on breast milk immunoglobulin A, soluble CD14, cytokine levels and fatty acid composition.

Dunstan JA, Roper J, Mitoulas L, Hartmann PE, Simmer K, Prescott SL.

School of Paediatrics and Child Health, University of Western Australia, Perth, Western Australia.

BACKGROUND: Breast milk contains many immunomodulatory factors (soluble CD14 (sCD14), IgA and cytokines) with the potential to influence infant immune development. OBJECTIVE: To determine if changes in breast milk omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acid (n-3 PUFA) composition as a result of maternal dietary fish oil supplementation during pregnancy can modify levels of these immunological parameters in breast milk. METHOD: In a randomized controlled trial, 83 atopic women received either 4 g fish oil capsules (containing 3.7 g n-3 PUFA) (n = 40) or 4 g olive oil capsules (n = 43) from 20 weeks gestation until delivery. Breast milk was collected 3 days post-partum and fatty acids were analysed by gas liquid chromatography and IgA, sCD14 and cytokines (IL-5, IL-6, IL-10, TNF-alpha and IFN-gamma) were quantitated by ELISA or time resolved fluorescence (TRF). RESULTS: Omega-3 docosahexaenoic acid (DHA; 22:6n-3) and eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA; 20:5n-3) levels were significantly higher (P < 0.001) in breast milk from women supplemented with fish oil (n = 33, DHA mean 1.15%, SD 0.47% and EPA mean 0.16%, SD 0.07%) than in samples from the control group (n = 40, DHA mean 0.50%, SD 0.17% and EPA mean 0.05%, SD 0.02%). Breast milk arachidonic acid (AA; 20:4n-6) levels were significantly lower (P = 0.045) in the fish oil group (mean 0.55%, SD 0.12%) compared with the control group (mean 0.61%, SD 0.14%). Breast milk IgA was positively correlated with DHA (P = 0.046) and 22:5n-3 (P = 0.003), but inversely correlated with linoleic acid (LA; 18:2n-6) (P=0.034). Levels of sCD14 were also positively correlated with 22:5n-3 (P=0.009). Cytokines involved in IgA synthesis (IL-10 and IL-6) were also significantly correlated with both IgA and n-3 PUFA levels, although there were no differences in the levels of breast milk IgA, sCD14 or cytokines between study groups. CONCLUSION: Supplementation with fish oil during pregnancy significantly alters early post-partum breast milk fatty acid composition. omega-3 PUFA levels were positively associated with IgA and sCD14 levels, suggesting a relationship between fatty acid status and mucosal immune function.

Publication Types:

* Clinical Trial
* Randomized Controlled Trial


PMID: 15298564



1: J Lipid Res. 2004 Dec 16; Related Articles, Links
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Comparison of plasma and erythrocyte total fatty acid composition from African-American women at 24 weeks gestation, infant delivery, and 3 months postpartum.

Stark KD, Beblo S, Murthy M, Buda-Abela M, Janisse J, Rockett H, Whitty JE, Martier SS, Sokol RJ, Hannigan JH, Salem N Jr.

Our aim was to examine the docosahexaenoic acid (DHA; 22:6n-3) status of pregnant, African-American women reporting to the antenatal clinic at Wayne State University in a longitudinal study design. Fatty acid compositions of plasma and erythrocyte total lipid extracts and food frequency surveys were determined at 24 weeks of gestation, delivery, and three months postpartum for participants (n = 157). DHA (mean +/- SD) in the estimated total circulating plasma was similar at gestation (384 +/- 162 mg) and delivery (372 +/- 155 mg), but was significantly lower at three months postpartum (178 +/- 81 mg). The relative weight percentage of DHA and docosapentaenoic acid n-6 (DPAn-6, 22:5n-6) decreased postpartum while their respective metabolic precursors, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA, 20:5n-3) and arachidonic acid (AA, 20:4n-6) increased. Similar results were found in erythrocytes. Dietary intake of DHA throughout the study was estimated at 68 +/- 75 mg/day. The relative amounts of circulating DHA and DPAn-6 were increased during pregnancy as compared to three months postpartum, possibly via increased synthesis from EPA and AA. The low dietary intake and blood levels of DHA in this population as compared to others may not support optimal fetal DHA accretion and subsequent neural development.

PMID: 15604519

1: Nutr Neurosci. 2004 Apr;7(2):91-9. Related Articles, Links

Effects of fish oil on the central nervous system: a new potential antidepressant?

Naliwaiko K, Araujo RL, da Fonseca RV, Castilho JC, Andreatini R, Bellissimo MI, Oliveira BH, Martins EF, Curi R, Fernandes LC, Ferraz AC.

Laboratorio de Fisiologia e Farmacologia do Sistema Nervoso Central, Departamento de Fisiologia e Farmacologia, Universidade Federal do Parana, 81.531-990 Curitiba, PR, Brazil.

In the last 100 years major depression has increased worldwide. In this study we provided coconut fat (CF, rich in saturated fatty acids) or fish oil (FO, rich in n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids) to female rats throughout pregnancy and lactation and then to their offspring post-weaning and examined lipid brain profile and the possible effect of FO as antidepressant agent in the offspring in adulthood (F1). Rats were submitted to forced swimming test, elevated plus maze, Morris water maze and open field. Peroxidation rate in the cerebral cortex and hippocampus were measured. Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) concentration in dam's milk, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and DHA concentration in hippocampus and cerebral cortex from F1 rats FO supplemented increased significantly when compared to control (C) and CF rats. Arachidonic acid/EPA ratio in the cerebral cortex and hippocampus decreased in rats submitted to forced swimming test. Peroxidation rate were not different between the groups. Immobility time in the forced swimming test in FO group was reduced (p < 0.01) when compared to C and CF rats. We conclude that lifelong intake of FO was able to induce an antidepressant effect with EPA and DHA concentration increased in the cerebral cortex and hippocampus.

PMID: 15279495

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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. Thank you for answering.
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 11:18 AM by HuckleB
It's interesting that you say you don't know more than them, but you can tell them how best to do their jobs.

That's a condundrum I suppose we'll both have to live with.

And I've got no idea what your last sentence means at all.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Name a condition, and I will name several medications that have been
pulled for that condition either because it killed, maimed or incapacitated the patient in some manner.

I know what they have ignored for decades, and THAT is what is killing American patients.

It doesn't take double blind studies to know that people who consume more of the omega three healthy fats are better off, far better off healthwise than those who do not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=222&topic_id=544&mesg_id=617
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. Yes, Omega 3s are necessary for health.
Beyond that, you've offered nothing but wide generalizations derived from very anecdotal information. That's the kind of thing that does kill a lot of people, as the history of medicine shows. So why would you follow in kind?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. So why would you follow in kind?
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 08:30 PM by 4MoronicYears
You are not familiar with the importance of proper glycoprotein synthesis or the lack thereof and it's role in health and disease, are you.....
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #24
29. Again, you assume.
I do hope that you eventually learn that blind assumption is bad science.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #20
25. Let me tell you a story... a short story.... I had a friend in West Palm
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 08:12 PM by 4MoronicYears
Beach who was an overweight diabetic. His sugar regularly ran over 200. He was being treated by a specialist and also saw a family physician. He was on glucophage, and was supposed to start on actose. He didn't realize that he was supposed to take both medications but that is another story.

I spoke to him one day and explained the potential benefits of pancreatic enzymes in his condition, the role of 40 to 60 grams of fiber a day for reducing the rates of sugar absorption by the intestinal lumen and thus reducing the radical swings in insulin levels and glycogen release by the liver. I explained to him the role of time released alpha lipoic acid in glucose metabolization as well as the role of GTF chromium in being a cofactor for insulin.

His legs hurt him constantly, his energy levels were crap... he had other complaints that I won't go into 'cause they are personal.

He went to a reputable NUTRITION SCIENCE STORE and spoke with a person who knew quite a bit, however, when this person tried to sell him standard lipoic acid, he refused and stated that I said that due to his condition he needed time released alpha lipoic acid and nothing less. He managed to find the right stuff and purchase it along with pancreatic enzymes, GTF chromium and a high end fiber supplement.

In THREE days his legs were no longer hurting him. In one week he reported that he cheated, ate doughnuts in the AM and expected his BG levels to be in the 200 to 300 range that night. IT WAS 97.

His energy levels shot up, and he didn't see his specialist for a couple months... however he continued to see his gen practitioner who ran a glycation test on him and it was BETTER THAN NORMAL.

When he finally did return to his specialist he was going to chew him a new one, until my friend held up the glycation test and the "specialist's" jaw hit the floor.

Long story short, if medical schools weren't owned by the pharmcos, this scenario could take place more often than not. Don't believe lipoic acid has anything to offer diabetics?? It is recommended by the ADA for the complications of diabetes.

Don't think fiber should be consumed in large quantities by diabetics? It is recommended by the ADA.

www.lipoic.com read, learn, get smart, help somebody.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. If you are a medical person and I assume you "may" be... then you probably
know that the poisonous fats that we consume each day have a "straight" molecular structure. Omega threes and their counterparts have a curved molecular structure.

A brain, which has substituted the healthy fats with artificial poisonous ones out of necessity has nerve cells that don't respirate as well. The curved molecular structure of the healthy fats increases the nervous system's ability to respirate, the fake fats do not. Which scenario do you prefer. How do you explain the incredible amount of neurological disease and syndromes that Americans suffer with?

Believe it or not, there are answers to these questions, you should pursue them.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. It's clear that you make many assumptions.
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 07:08 PM by HuckleB
That's not the type of thinking that's going to lead to increased health and safety. That's the type of thinking that leads to dangerous practices of the worst kind.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. That's not the type of thinking that's going to lead to increased health
and safety.<<

Please don't lecture me on the safety of pharmaceutical drugs, they are pulled DAILY... most often for organ failure, stroke or death.

http://www.mdtext.com/diabetes/diabetes13/diabetesframe13.htm

BOTANICAL EXTRACTS

Botanicals have been used for medicinal purposes since the dawn of civilization (41). It is well documented (12) that many pharmaceuticals commonly used today are structurally derived from natural compounds found in traditional medicinal plants. The development of the anti-hyperglycemic drug metformin (dimethlybiguanide; Glucophage®) can be traced to the traditional use of Galega officinalis to treat diabetes, and the subsequent search to identify active compounds with reduced toxicity (42-44). G. officinalis is far from the only botanical to have been used as a treatment for diabetes. Chinese medical books written as early as 3000 B.C. spoke of diabetes and described therapies for this disease (45;46). These historical accounts reveal that T2D existed long ago, and medicinal plants have been used for many millennia to treat this disease. To date, the anti-diabetic activities of well over 1200 traditional plants has been reported, although scant few have been subjected to rigorous scientific evaluation for safety and efficacy in humans (45;47-50). This section will provide a brief overview of those botanicals used for diabetes that have received the most scientific attention, and appear worthy to this author of a comprehensive evaluation.

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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:24 AM
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30. Thanks for diverting from the actual conversation.
It's clear that you couldn't deal with what I pointed out.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:13 PM
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19. Research Report of Seafood Consumption, the DHA content of
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:07 PM
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22. Please read the actual conclusion of this one study.
Yes, the study shows that an increased risk post-partum depression is correlated to lower consumption of Omega 3s. It does NOT say that is the only or main cause of post-partum depression, as your posts on this board seem to try and make us all believe.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:30 PM
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23. Point taken. There are other factors, single parent, Preemie,
complications, etc. DHA supplementation is recommended for American women who are pregnant, end of story. It can help a woman cope by enhancing her ability to deal with stress and other issues associated with pregnancy in all of its varying circumstances.

www.dhadepot.com
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:22 AM
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28. Not end of story.
The supplements may prevent some, but clearly nowhere near all such depression. The research is quite clear on this. And your factors may also play a part in some such depression, especially in terms of severity. But the research clearly shows that postpartum depression arises in most cases from genetic and biological predispositions. Your "cure" won't work for everyone, and, no doctors and researchers aren't as stupid as you claim, as this piece of research shows.

Now that's the end of the story.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:24 PM
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18. Links to open your eyes
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12844396

1: Br J Nutr. 2003 Jul;90(1):233-8. Related Articles, Links

Why do we not make more medical use of nutritional knowledge? How an inadvertent alliance between reductionist scientists, holistic dietitians and drug-oriented regulators and governments has blocked progress.

Horrobin D.

Laxdale Ltd, Kings Park House, Laurelhill Business Park, Stirling FK7 9JQ, Scotland, UK.

PMID: 12844396

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15555697
1: J Affect Disord. 2004 Nov 1;82(3):447-52. Related Articles, Links

Fish consumption and depression: the Northern Finland 1966 birth cohort study.

Timonen M, Horrobin D, Jokelainen J, Laitinen J, Herva A, Rasanen P.

Department of Public Health Science and General Practice, University of Oulu, Box 5000, FIN-90014 Oulu, Finland. markku.timonen@oulu.fi

BACKGROUND: Since low fish consumption and omega-3 fatty acids have recently been linked with depression, we investigated by means of a large, general population database, whether a low fish consumption is associated with increased risk of developing depression. METHODS: The Northern Finland 1966 Birth Cohort was followed up prospectively from pregnancy up to the age of 31 years. The data on HSCL-25 depression subscale, doctor-diagnosed life-time depression and fish consumption (during the previous 6 months) of cohort members were obtained by postal questionnaires at the age of 31. The final number of cohort members, whose completed variable information was available in multivariate logistic analyses, was 2721 males and 2968 females. RESULTS: After adjusting for body mass index, serum total cholesterol level and socioeconomic situation, logistic regression analyses showed that among females the risk of developing depression increased up to 2.6-fold (95%CI 1.4-5.1) among rare fish eaters when compared with regular eaters. In males, there were no significant differences between rare and regular fish eaters for any of the estimates of depression. LIMITATIONS: The data on life-time fish consumption of cohort members were not available. CONCLUSIONS: A low frequency of fish consumption was statistically significantly associated with depression in women, but not in men. Possible background-theories behind the gender difference are discussed.

PMID: 15555697



http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/622537/description#description

Brain Lipids and Disorders in Biological Psychiatry
Description
Leading authorities examine the possible role of brain lipids in the development of conditions such as schizophrenia, depression, Alzheimer's disease and personality disorders and violence. A better understanding of the underlying causes of these debilitating medical disorders is of utmost importance and may contribute towards a means of prevention, amelioration and cure. The book is intended to stimulate further interest and lead to increased research in this important development area.

Contents
Preface. List of contributors. 1. The role of docosahexaenoic acid in the evolution and function of the human brain (D.J. Kyle). 2. The effects of n-3 fatty acid deficiency and its reversal upon the biochemistry of the primate brain and retina (W.E. Connor, G.J. Anderson). 3. The lipid hypothesis of schizophrenia (D. Horrobin). 4. Apolipoprotein E and lipid mobilization in neuronal membrane remodeling and its relevance to Alzheimer's disease (M. Danik, J. Poirier). 5. Omega-3 fats in depressive disorders and violence: the context of evolution and cardiovascular health (J.R. Hibbeln, K.K. Mikino). 6. Plasma lipids and lipoproteins in personality disorder (E.R. Skinner, F.M. Corrigan). 7. Do long chain polyunsaturated fatty acids influence infant cognitive behaviour? (J.S. Forsyth, P. Willatts). 8. Molecular species of phospholipids during brain development (A.A. Farooqui, L.A. Horrocks). 9. Polyunsaturated fatty acids, brain phospholipids and the fetal alcohol syndrome (G. Burdge, A.D. Postle).

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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 09:03 AM
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27. I'm in nursing school.
Very little value (it seems thus far) in western medicine is placed on nutrition and wellness. I understand what you're saying very much. I would generally prefer to try nutritional methods first myself over pharmaceutical ones. What finally rid me of my postpartum depression (my youngest was born in 2001) was elimination of sugar and white flour from my diet. I still have bouts though with PMS. I know it's the crash of my progesterone levels, but it's still hard. I don't want to go on drugs unless absolutely necessary and people don't understand that. For awhile, I used natural progesterone cream, but it doesn't seem to do the trick enough. I can see the potential benefits of Omega 3's. Something to consider and follow up with further perhaps. Thanks.
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