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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 08:36 AM
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This health care bill is failing because of what the CBO is saying
Edited on Sun Jul-19-09 08:37 AM by Joanne98
There isn't any costs savings.

This is just like the TARP and just like the credit card bill. Nobody is willing to reign in the financial industry. Everybody agrees that health care costs are destroying companies but nobody will say that the financial sector, who touches every other single sector, is destroying everything by TAKING TO MUCH!

The insurance companies aren't delivering health care. They're MIDDLEMEN. Why do they have to take such a BIG piece of the pie? Can't they lower their profit margins a little bit? It's called HEALTH CARE not INSURANCE COMPANY CARE!

Wall Street is destroying the entire country and the politicians are to afraid of them to do anything about it.

We need to tell Congress that they either STAND UP TO WALL STREET OR RESIGN AND LET SOMEONE WHO WILL TAKE THEIR SEAT!

I need really. This is ridiculous. They've fucked up the health care bill JUST so they could save the profits of the fucking insurance companies and the big drug dealers.

Maybe we should just all commit suicide and let the vultures try to make a profit off the dead bodies!

CBO is right. They didn't cut costs. Now we're STUCK with a shit of crap bill that's not going anywhere!
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 08:45 AM
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1. two good congresspersons on this issue
Marcia Kaptur and Dennis Kucinich seem to be only 2 out of 535 Congress Persons that actually fight for average people.

Weird that these people are elected by all of us, then go on to do legislation that only benefits corporations over the common people.

Do we still have a representative democracy around here or what?

-90% jimmy
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 08:54 AM
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2. The biggest problem with allowing the insurance company to have
Edited on Sun Jul-19-09 08:54 AM by Cleita
a say in the health care debate is that this was supposed to save many of the union jobs that are running away to places like Canada and New Zealand because they have national health care. This won't save any jobs because it's still putting a big burden on the employers to buy insurance. We need single payer to accomplish this.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 09:55 AM
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8. The market based economy model is a complete and total failure.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 09:01 AM
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3. Try to explain that to the something is better than nothing crowd.
The blinders are firmly in place.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 09:12 AM
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4. until the people get pitchforks and torches angry -- things will stay much the same.
Edited on Sun Jul-19-09 09:13 AM by xchrom
we haven't even ATTEMPTED to get negotiating for drugs back into medicare.

instead we deal with the 'dough-nut hole'.

i NEVER want to hear the phrase 'personal responsibility' when talking about the american public again.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 01:56 PM
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9. Senator Bernie Sanders said this as well. He stated until we start doing
activism on the scale of the civil rights movement of the sixties, it won't happen because we aren't scaring Congress and the White House into paying attention. I'm afraid the attempt made on June 25th demonstration in Washington didn't rattle any cages. I think we are going to have to get angry and scare them more than the health care industry scares them right now.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 09:16 AM
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5. Ummmm......
There likely wil not be any administrative cost savings under the present proposals. Realizing administrative cost savings will be dependent upon the standardization and volume that can only be realized under a single payer system. These proposed clusterfuck insurance industry friendly bills need to go down in flames.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 09:23 AM
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6. There is not talk about eliminating the state/county branches in any
bill that I have seen. In Social security and medicare that offices are federal and there is no 3 tier system. Much of the savings comes from getting rid of the bureaucracy but I don't think they are filtering this into their cost analysis.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 09:54 AM
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7. I'm beginning to think Congress is more concerned with keeping FAKE GDP numbers

than deliving health care. Or anything else for that matter. "We're killing our people but at least our GDP numbers have improved"

GRRRRRRRRRRR
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