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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 10:37 AM
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Vaccines and autism: piecing together the jigsaw.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:04 PM
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16. Interesting that calling someone a child murderer
is ok, while an apparent reply is not?

Autism can result in deadly seizures, BTW.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 10:57 AM
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2. I think this below from the link in the OP is the problem. My son who is 40 had 13 now 32. They are
putting this stuff into tiny babies. It is not wise. I worry about my granchildren they just got another shot and are both sick and were not... just before their shots as my son said to me. I think that vaccines are not a quality product in some cases and that we are giving our children too many and too close together.

"A sensible option may be to lighten the load of vaccines given, which have increased from 16 for under-fives in the 1980s to 32 in 2006, mostly given at two, three and four months old, in multiple hits."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-1215895/Health-Notes-Vaccines-autism-piecing-jigsaw.html#ixzz0SK53ApP6
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 11:11 AM
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5. Nothing like making news out of uneducated opinions.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 01:37 AM
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10. It doesn't take your type of education to know that my kids now in early 40's had 13 and are just
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 01:41 AM by bkkyosemite
fine and now they are giving my grandchildren 32..Get Real...if you don't think this is a manufactured way of making money you need education.

edit: I just had to come back in here at 11:38 pm to add this. And if you don't think that having 32 shots instead of the 13 (which protected kids from the most serious disease) is nuts and potentially harmful to their small bodies then go ahead and keep keepin with your medical expertise but I for one am not agreeing.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 11:13 AM
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11. My apologies I meant to respond to the OP not your post.
I was speaking of the author of the Daily Mail article.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 09:15 AM
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17. So you would rather those kids be exposed to the diseases...
prevented by those vaccines, than have them protected early on?

Sid
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 10:58 AM
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3. More like taking two different jigsaw puzzles
and trying to fit them together by mashing the pieces completely out of shape.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 11:11 AM
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4. You know vaccines are really doing their job
when people are more afraid of made up maladies associated with the vaccine than they are of Pertussis, Scarlet Fever, Diptheria, Tetanus etc.

If one or two of these vaccines are bad for kids ever witnessed a child with Pertussis, I have, or Diptheria, I have not luckily, I guarantee you they would change their tune in one hell of a hurry.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 01:58 PM
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7. And if you were the victim of the Gulf War vaccine cocktails - which
have been recognised by the American courts as the cause of Guld War syndrome, IT WOULD BE TOO LATE!

From the article by at this link:

http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/gulf-war-syndrome-articles/how-vaccinations-work/

(snip)

"There is no system of the human being, from mind to muscles to immune system, which gets stronger through avoiding challenges, but only through overcoming challenges. The wise use of vaccinations would be to use them selectively, and not on a mass scale. In order for vaccinations to be helpful and not harmful, we must know beforehand in each individual to be vaccinated whether the Th1 function or the Th2 function of the immune system predominates.

In individuals in whom the Th1 function predominates, causing many acute inflammations because the cellular immune system is overreactive, a vaccination could have a balancing effect on the immune system and be helpful for that individual.

In individuals in whom the Th2 function predominates, causing few acute inflammations but rather the tendency to chronic allergic or autoimmune inflammations, a vaccination would cause the Th2 function to predominate even more, aggravating the imbalance of the immune system and harming the health of that individual. This is what happened in Gulf War Illness.

The current use of vaccinations in medicine today is essentially a "shotgun" approach which ignores differences among individuals. In such an approach some individuals may be helped and others may be harmed.

If medicine is to evolve in a healthy direction, we must learn to understand the particular characteristics of each individual and we must learn how to individualize our treatments to be able to heal each unique human being in our care.

(snip)



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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 02:19 PM
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8. Yes. It is out of hand.
If TPTB would get the message and take a moderate position, they could avoid the extreme flash backs that their current extreme position produces.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 08:58 PM
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9. Indeed.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:20 AM
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19. +1
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:28 PM
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12. Schoolgirl 14 dies and three classmates taken ill after being given new
cervical cancer vaccine.

Heck they've got to find out some way, don't they! Murderers!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216714/Schoolgirl-14-dies-given-cervical-cancer-jab.html
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:22 AM
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20. What does this have to do with autism? nt
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:37 PM
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15. Nothing like making news out of uneducated opinions.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:20 AM
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18. Orange juice and dust bunnies: piecing together the jigsaw.
Two unrelated topics.
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