Unvaccinated Children at Center of Measles Outbreak

[HuckleB]

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Pediatrics/PreventiveCare/19138

"Children whose parents refuse vaccinations for them provide fertile ground for the spread of vaccine-preventable diseases, an investigation of a 2008 measles outbreak in San Diego demonstrated.

Although the rate of two-dose immunization against measles was 95% in the area, a single case of measles from a 7-year-old child returning from overseas sparked an outbreak that exposed 839 people and sickened 11 other children, according to David Sugerman, MD, MPH, of the CDC's Epidemic Intelligence Service, and colleagues.

None of the 12 children, who ranged in age from 10 months to 9 years, had been vaccinated -- nine because their parents had refused the vaccine and three because they were too young, the researchers reported in the April issue of Pediatrics.

Although the virus was not spread extensively, it came at a substantial cost of $176,980 for investigation, containment, and healthcare.

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Got Measles?

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[Frances]

1. There was no measles vaccine when my mother's

2 year old brother died from a combination of measles and whooping cough.

There was no measles vaccine when my own brother caught measles, which made him deaf.

[kestrel91316]

2. But, but, it's been proven that vaccines don't prevent disease!!!1!!11!!

[woo me with science]

3. Also, those kids won't get the autism!!!!!11111!

[semillama]

4. And there's no such thing as herd immunity!!! n/t

[SidDithers]

5. K&R...nt

Sid

[Odin2005]

6. Ironic fact: having measles while pregnant increases the kid's risk of being Autistic.

[mzmolly]

27. I wonder what the vaccine would do to a pregnant woman?

Same effect?

I've had the vaccine while pregnant, at the urging of my NP. I also have a child with neurological issues, so I wonder.

[xchrom]

7. Kick nt

[HuckleB]

8. More: Measles Outbreak Triggered by Unvaccinated Child

http://www.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=637218

[Jennicut]

9. My daughters have both had the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine.

Actually, I think they have had it more then once. One is 4 and the other 5. In fact, they have to be up to date on all their shots to get into kindergarten, as I just registered my 4 year old and had to provide the full list of what she has had.

[mzmolly]

10. Got herd immunity?

Oops, guess not.

[HuckleB]

11. Missing the point, as usual, I see.

:eyes:

[uppityperson]

12. Isn't the point herd immunity doesn't work?

That is what he/she is saying.

[HuckleB]

13. Is that really the point?

Or is that just your usual way of ignoring the actual bottom line?

Of course, in this case, for you, something doesn't exist if it's not 100 percent perfect. Interesting how it is that the more unvaccinated people out there, the less success such a process is going to have.

I have no desire to discuss this or any other health related issue with you further.

Have a good day.

[HuckleB]

15. Yo, uppity.

Sorry for the bizarre response. I responded much too quickly to a response that is exactly what I would have expected from the poster I'd responded to initially.

Ah, I could go on and on, but I'm going to take a nap.

[uppityperson]

17. Made me wonder there a moment, thinking you replied to wrong person.

sweet dreams

[mzmolly]

18. Right, it didn't work

in this case. So much for "protecting others". I guess that only applies if some kid doesn't take a trip to Switzerland? ;)

[uppityperson]

19. oh bs. Switzerland was incidental. One case can spark many, herd immunity

doesn't work if one case gets started in a community from whatever source.

[mzmolly]

20. "herd immunity doesn't work if one case gets started in a community"

You've just refuted what herd immunity is supposed to accomplish. You and the kid who went to Switzerland.

[uppityperson]

21. You seriously believe less people will get a disease if fewer are unvacced?

:eyes:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=222&topic_id=85124&mesg_id=85124

"herd immunity" works to some extent ONLY if enough people are vaccinated. If they aren't, like in this case, it doesn't.

[mzmolly]

23. No I don't believe that.

In this case 89% of the population was vaccinated. Thresholds for measles are as low as 83% for herd immunity.

[HuckleB]

14. You can’t hide in the herd

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=3569#more-3569

A very good, related read.

[bemildred]

16. It would not be much of a vaccine if the outbreak occurred among the vaccinated.

Not disagreeing, not advocating parents not getting their kids vaccinated for measles. Just saying who else would be at the center of a measles outbreak? It is worth noticing that parents who reject vaccination for measles tend to group themselves:

In the study area, parents who refused vaccines for their children tended to be white, well-educated, and from the middle and upper classes.

There were clusters of vaccine refusal, occurring more often in public charter and private schools, as well as in public schools in upper-class areas.

I am not one to get any vaccine that comes along, I don't generally get flu immunizations for example, but I am not one to reject ones that obviously work well either.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

22. I think the point is that this was entirely preventable.

That boy was of age and he should have been vaccinated. He quickly spread the disease because his family members also weren't vaccinated. It spread even faster because he went to a school where a large segment of the population wasn't vaccinated.

[mzmolly]

24. 11% is not a large segment of the population.

eom

[SemiCharmedQuark]

25. When 95% of the population must be immunized to prevent outbreaks it is.

[mzmolly]

26. I've read that from 83-94 percent is sufficient. It would seem that 89% is an excellent/typical

outcome for measles vaccine coverage. Daycare centers have large populations of infants too young to be vaccinated for measles as you know. This must mean that nearly every child care center in the US is a safety hazard?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

29. Almost 93% of kids in the general United States population are vaccinated against measles

Compared to this area where 89% are vaccinated, that's quite a difference.

The CDC notes that a 95% vaccination rate is required to prevent outbreaks of measles.

http://children.webmd.com/vaccines/news/20080821/measles-outbreaks-worry-cdc

[mzmolly]

30. In article states that we need 95% coverage to prevent Measles from re-establishing itself.

Not sure what they based that figure on? They also claim a major success in reducing measles with 50-60% vaccine coverage levels in past decades.

[bemildred]

28. That is "a point", it is not "the point". nt

[BolivarianHero]

31. Jim Scary and Jenny McFuckTard belong in jail...

People like them are responsible for this shit.

[HuckleB]

32. They should carry some of the burden, that's for sure.

[BolivarianHero]

33. I don't even consider him Canadian...

You guys can have him...More crazies in the states than here, so he'll be right at home with fundies or scientolotwits.