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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:53 PM Original message |
Pertussis Infection in Fully Vaccinated Children in Day-Care Centers, Israel |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. well, so much for herd immunity n/t |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yes, the opposite of herd immunity is apparently at work. |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. these toxin forming bacteria |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. The goal of pertussis vaccination is to protect those less |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 12:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. that may be one of the goals from the old preparation of the vaccine |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. +1 |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. The reason the US switched vaccines is because of pressure |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Why? If both are bacteria that produce toxins once established in their host |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Again, this study appears to be about the whole cell vaccine, |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I do not understand the importance of your point |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Yes. |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Isn't the purpose to protect us from the toxin the bacterium produce? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. You mean to protect against actual infection? |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. NO I DO NOT MEAN INFECTION!!!!!! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Okey dokey. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. +1 |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. -1 |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Sorry that the results of the study don't please you. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. That's not what the minus is for... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Actually, I got the study from a google alert |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Uh huh. If you say so... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. My agenda is that of discussing |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Posting individual studies as if they are be-all-end-all documents shows otherwise. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. I haven't |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Your OP, and your responses indicate otherwise. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. You're |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Right back at you. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. that's not what bothers me...what bothers me is using your kid as guinea pig for shakey ideas |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Further, single studies are but stepping stones, at best. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Unfortunately, there do not appear to be many studies that undertake |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Perhaps. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Frankly, unlike yourself, I don't trust all or nothing |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Unfortunately, your posts on these matters indicates otherwise. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. If the 'it's a ten year old study' mantra is the best you have to offer |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:32 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. You haven't said much. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Your agenda is clear. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Here are todays google alerts for whooping cough. Google must have an "agenda" too? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. My child is not a guinea |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 03:25 AM Response to Reply #34 |
48. yes you made your child play the role of guinea pig |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. My child |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. yes, by you |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. You're admittedly not vaccinated |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. yikes |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Had your adult boosters yet? What's cavalier |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. well that's the stupidest reason i've ever heard for not vaccinating your own child |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. My response has nothing to do with my "reason." You still haven't answered |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 03:27 AM Response to Reply #37 |
49. I've had all the recommended vaccinations |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. When did you have the adult pertussis |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. only some people are recommended to get that vaccine |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. You've demonstrated your complete ignorance on this subject. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. THEY DON'T RECOMMEND THE VACCINE TO EVERYONE! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. YES THEY DO. "All adults need Td booster doses every 10 years...." |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Here's a thread that pertains to you, which you chose to ignore, by the way. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. why should i listen to you? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. And you don't vaccinate YOURSELF. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. but i'm vaccinated for many things |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. "All adults need Td booster doses every 10 years." |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. actually i have had it |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Of course not, my physician (or their assistant) did |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Desperate times call for desperate measures |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. choosing to ignore what you say on vaccination seems like the wise move |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Feel free. But don't ignore the CDC |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I'm vaccinated for that |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. They didn't have a combined vaccine until |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. and i was recently vaccinated |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. No I'm arguing for a consistent |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. You didn't vaccinate your child against Whooping Cough? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Yes you are. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. you have a medical background or expertise? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. I knew in advance that we have a family |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. so you didn't afford your child any protection against the spread through vaccination? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. What protection and for how long? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 03:24 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. at the time your child contracted it --you chose to have your child go w/o a means of fighting it |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. My child was given antibiotics, |
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