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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 08:07 PM
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another report from the Canadian health care front
Edited on Sun Jun-20-10 08:23 PM by iverglas


And: if you have cataract surgery, be aware of possible complications.

Both my co-vivant and I developed cataracts before the age of 55, statistically young. He's diabetic and a heavy smoker; I'm female, brown-eyed and a heavy smoker: statistically higher chances.

My surgeries were disasters. First, my PTSD makes sedation ineffective. After the first eye was done, I had a reaction to the local anaesthetic and my iris went into spasm and I was in agony for a couple of hours. For the second, extra sedative and no local anaesthetic, and I was in distress and pain for the whole thing. The pressure in my eye went sky high post-op from the steroids, the drug to bring it down sharply made my hands go numb, I was left with a stew of floaters in my eye and pseudophakic cystoid macular edema - a swelling on the back of my eye - and the ophthalmologist kept telling me everything was progressing fine. I had lost confidence in him and the $50 cabfares to his office were killing me, so I stopped going, and the swelling finally disappeared (the spot in my vision disappeared) after about 9 months.

A year later, an optometrist did the quick glaucoma test, picked herself up off the floor and sent me to a new ophthalmologist. I have glaucoma, from the post-op steroids. He referred me to a retinal surgeon for my other complaints; he operated last September, redoing the lens implant, removing scar tissue from my retina and doing a vitrectomy to clear all the crud out of my eye. And finally, a few weeks ago, the new opthalmologist, in response to my demand that he tell me what he'd been showing the med student, explained that I was missing the "spokes" that connect the lens capsule to the "coloured part of the eye". Yes, duh, the iris and (I now know) the zonules that hold the lens capsule in place. The ophthalmologist who did the original cataract surgery should have called in a surgeon right away, I have since read, when my absence of zonules became apparent (although maybe it didn't). I'm a rare bird.

Anyhow. The co-vivant's cataract surgeries (done by the top ophthalmologist he sees regularly because of his diabetes) were the walk in the park they are supposed to be. And he isn't as concerned about knowing everything that's going on, so he was happy.

Last night, I got home latish and proceeded to start making mushroom spinach quiche. He wandered into the kitchen complaining about not being able to see the computer monitor. I queried his symptoms. I said it sounded like a detached retina. What does that mean? he said. It means we go to the hospital right now, I said. He insisted on eating first, and I told him to go google in the meantime, and he decided that was what he had.

So. We arrived at the ER at the local hospital campus just before midnight. He was seen by a doctor within a few minutes. The doctor paged the ophthalmologist/retinal surgeon (not sure) on call and waited for a reply, as to whether we should go to the eye care clinic then or next morning. When no call back came in half an hour, the co-vivant lost patience and we left, at 1:00 a.m.

Next morning, 10 a.m. was just too early for him, so the eye care clinic said to come in by 11. It's in a fabulously beautiful hospital built a few years ago. He was seen immediately by an opthalmologist who examined every aspect of his eye and vision. (Then I horned in and got him to check my eye pressure while we were there, and I was right, I need to see my ophthalmologist sooner than scheduled, and he was quite insistent about that.) He told us to take a walk and come back in a little under an hour to see the surgeon, before 1:00.

The surgeon repeated some of the exams and explained to us at length what had happened and what had to be done: he confirmed my diagnosis of retinal detachment, which calls for a scleral buckle, sealing of the tear, a vitrectomy and replacement of the vitreous fluid with a gas bubble (mine was saline) to hold the seal in place. Odds of success are 9 in 10, with the 1 in 10 needing surgery again. He's done 9 in the last three weeks ... One of his patients, who had had the surgery two days before, was in the waiting room, and he asked him (out of our hearing) to come in and let us see how he looked and tell us how he felt, and we chatted with that couple afterward in the waiting room.

The co-vivant is a "young man", as the surgeon put it, for the purposes of retinal detachment, so his retinal tear is associated with the cataract surgery and the floaters in his eye after that surgery, which ordinarily develop naturally in old age, in everyone.

The young doctor took us down to Admitting, where the co-vivant presented his Ontario health plan card and his hospital ID card (from when he was admitted twice a year ago in diabetic ketoacidosis ... and nearly died). Admitting directed us up to the ward, where the co-vivant was to have a semi-private room (two beds instead of three) since that was all that was available, although we don't have the supplemental insurance to pay for it and weren't paying extra out of pocket (as I did once to get a private room when I was in for three days for a biopsy). We presented ourselves at the nursing station, where they didn't know quite what to do with us, since they weren't used to people walking up and checking themselves in, but then they figured out who he was and they were expecting him. He reclined on his window-side bed, and they called the pharmacy for his insulin. His nurse then took blood and made five tries to get his IV thing in place, but his delicate little veins blew each time; I believed her that she really was the best one on the floor at doing it, though. Another nurse came in and he got it in one.

We waited, and occasionally wandered outside for a smoke. (They'll give him a patch when he gets out of surgery.) At 1:30 there had been two people ahead of him for the one OR open on Sunday -- he's an emergency, but every other emergency in the world, usually Caesarian sections and car crashes, bump him. So at 5 when I left, he was still waiting. I called at 7:30 and the nursing station said he was on his way for it right then. So at about 9:00 now, he may be finished!

He'll almost certainly be discharged tomorrow, and then will see the surgeon the next day, and a couple of days later. If he's like I was, he'll see the surgeon once or twice more before follow-up is turned over to his own ophthalmologist. He'll be out of commission -- in his case, because of the location of the tear, he'll be lying around and sleeping semi-upright (some have to sleep on their side, etc.) -- and no lifting and all that jazz for weeks.

And my point, which of course I do have. ;)

This is yet another tale of the complete care provided by our provincial health plan at zero cost.

Not quite zero -- since we don't have supplemental insurance (usually employer based and cost-shared, covering drugs, dental and eye exams and glasses), we'll pay for the post-op drugs, probably three (an antibiotic and two anti-inflammatories), which I recall being about $50.

I had a crap experience, possibly because of poor care by the opthalmologist who did my cataract surgery, but I'm coming to the conclusion I'm just a case of if it can go wrong, it will. My dental experiences are the same ... nobody else goes from a toothache to root canal to two broken teeth to an interminable infection from the crown on one tooth to having the bridge to replace the other tooth fall out ...

But that makes 6 eye surgeries in our household in less than 4 years, plus two hospitalizations for near-death diabetic complications last year, plus of course regular attention for our various conditions (hypertension me, diabetes him) at our chosen community clinic. Promptly (my first cataract was, of course, a bizarre one that went from zero to virtually blind in 6 weeks, and I had surgery scheduled within a month, delayed slightly because it was Christmas) and at no direct cost: no insurance premiums, no deductibles and no co-pays, and no extras while in hospital.

I say none of this to garner sympathy -- or to excite jealousy. Just more tales from the front, in the Canadian health care system so much ill is spoken of south of the border. ;)

And just a heads up for anyone having cataract surgery -- be mindful of the possible later complications. Symptoms of retinal detachment, in particular, call for immediate attention.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 12:18 AM
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1. It sounds like Canadian doctors are totally incompetent.
If you`d have had this done in America, it would have been done right, without any ridiculous waiting times. Sorry you had such a bad experience.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 12:38 AM
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2. aren't you cute?
Edited on Mon Jun-21-10 12:42 AM by iverglas

I'm sure you think you are!


http://www.nei.nih.gov/health/cataract/cataract_facts.asp

Note that fine USAmerican source:
What are the risks of cataract surgery?

As with any surgery, cataract surgery poses risks, such as infection and bleeding. Before cataract surgery, your doctor may ask you to temporarily stop taking certain medications that increase the risk of bleeding during surgery. After surgery, you must keep your eye clean, wash your hands before touching your eye, and use the prescribed medications to help minimize the risk of infection. Serious infection can result in loss of vision.

Cataract surgery slightly increases your risk of retinal detachment. Other eye disorders, such as high myopia (nearsightedness), can further increase your risk of retinal detachment after cataract surgery. One sign of a retinal detachment is a sudden increase in flashes or floaters. Floaters are little "cobwebs" or specks that seem to float about in your field of vision. If you notice a sudden increase in floaters or flashes, see an eye care professional immediately. A retinal detachment is a medical emergency. If necessary, go to an emergency service or hospital. Your eye must be examined by an eye surgeon as soon as possible. A retinal detachment causes no pain. Early treatment for retinal detachment often can prevent permanent loss of vision. The sooner you get treatment, the more likely you will regain good vision. Even if you are treated promptly, some vision may be lost.

Talk to your eye care professional about these risks. Make sure cataract surgery is right for you.


Here's another you'll recognize:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cataract-surgery/MY00164/DSECTION=risks
Risks
By Mayo Clinic staff

Complications after cataract surgery are uncommon, and most can be treated successfully.

Cataract surgery risks include:

* Inflammation
* Infection
* Bleeding
* Swelling
* Retinal detachment
* Glaucoma
* Secondary cataract

Your risk of complications is greater if you have another eye disease or a serious medical condition affecting any part of your body. Occasionally, cataract surgery fails to improve vision because of underlying eye damage from other conditions, such as glaucoma or macular degeneration. If possible, it may be beneficial to evaluate and treat such eye problems before making the decision to have cataract surgery.


Oh look, another one:

http://www.djo.harvard.edu/site.php?url=/patients/pi/408
What are the risks associated with cataract surgery?
Cataract surgery is the most commonly performed type of eye surgery. In the vast majority of cases, approximately 95% of the time, the surgery is uncomplicated. Cataract surgery usually results in improved vision and a well satisfied patient. However, cataract surgery should never be trivialized. In a small percentage of patients, events occur which can lead to less than ideal results. Most of these events are known risks of the surgery itself and can occur even if the operation is performed well by an experienced surgeon. The occurrence of these events is often unpredictable. Patients should be aware of such possibilities when they decide to proceed with surgery. Some of the most common risks are reviewed in this article.

Cystoid Macular Edema
The retina is the neural tissue which lines the entire inside of the back part the eye. The very center of the retina is called the macula, which is responsible for central vision. After cataract surgery, inflammation can sometimes cause retinal blood vessels to leak fluid which accumulates in the macula, causing decreased central vision. This swelling is referred to as "cystoid macular edema". When vision is affected by macular edema, the ophthalmologist may recommend a specialized test, called a fluorescein angiogram, in ORDER to determine the extent of swelling. Ophthalmologists often treat macular edema with topical steroid eye drops or non-steroidal anti-inflammatory eye drops which help quiet the inflammation, often improving the situation over weeks or months. Sometimes injections of steroids behind the eye, or even intra-ocular vitrectomy surgery are useful in improving the vision.

Retinal Detachment
A retinal detachment occurs when liquid vitreous fluid gets through a fine tear in the retina, allowing it to separate abnormally FROM the back wall of the eye. A retinal detachment may cause a curtain across part or all of the vision of the eye. Retinal detachments can occur in patients who have not had any prior eye surgery, especially in patients who are highly nearsighted. However, cataract surgery increases the risk of retinal detachment. After cataract surgery, retinal detachments occur in approximately 1.5% of patients. You should contact your ophthalmologist immediately if you develop a curtain blocking the vision, flashes of light like lightening streaks, or new floating spots in your vision. These symptoms can sometimes herald a retinal detachment.

Posteriorly Dislocated Lens Material
In some instances, lens material can fall INTO the back cavity (vitreous cavity) of the eye. Often small pieces of posteriorly dislocated lens material are well tolerated by the eye without problems. When larger pieces are dislocated, the ophthalmologist may recommend a second surgery, called a vitrectomy, to remove the lens material. This removal prevents excessive inflammation FROM developing.


Look at that. I guess all those USAmerican hotshot doctors write this stuff for us savages in the outer darkness, suffering with the primitive so-called medical care that is inflicted on us.

My household happened to have various risk factors for complications, and happened to hit the jackpot. Makes up for me never winning a single danged game of chance in my life, I guess. ;)


Carry on.



Oh, btw - he was released back to the ward about 90 minutes ago, having been held back in recovery because of high blood sugar, but surgery having gone swimmingly. He's eating and excreting and ambulating, and tomorrow, once the local anaesthetic has worn off and he's in the expected considerable pain, they'll hand him over to me!
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:13 AM
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3. just idle curiosity: "ridiculous waiting times"?
Edited on Mon Jun-21-10 02:02 AM by iverglas

(edited because I really can spell "curiosity")


Which were they?

The 10 minutes he waited in the ER last night before being seen by a doctor?

The 30 minutes he hung around waiting for the callback for an opinion as to whether he should go straight to the other hospital for surgery, or wait 9 hours til the clinic opened for regular Sunday hours?

The 11 hours he waited (from time of arrival at ER, including the hour he delayed going himself next day) before being seen by a doctor at that clinic? Which might not have happened at all if he hadn't pitched a fit and left the first hospital when there was no callback w/in 30 minutes, after midnight on a Saturday night ...

The 6 more hours he waited, after the doctor and surgeon completed their examinations, their advice and explanations, and obtaining consent, to be taken into the OR?


I'm not interested in the basis of your allegation that it (whatever "it" is) wasn't "done right", since you plainly haven't the slightest clue. Just wondering what ridiculous waiting times you had in mind.

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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 12:14 PM
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4. I'm glad
to read your first-hand account. I'm trying hard to not be jealous!

May you both recover fully and be in good health soon.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 12:55 PM
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5. an on-line friend elsewhere

has just said:

'it's a case of the blind leading the blind then?'

Actually, she said she was tempted to say it, but that would be cruel. ;)

Thanks!
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