Osgood-Schlatters and acupuncture

[mzteris]

Those who are ANTI-acupuncture - just please ignore this. We KNOW you don't "believe" in it so carping and dismissive posts will just be IGNORED because I have no desire to debate the subject with you anymore as quite frankly - you DON'T KNOW - you have NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. This is a personal anecdotal story only. Your "pooh-poohing" of MY/My son's experience means nothing. I know what he was like before treatment and what he is like now - and you don't. This is a true, complete, and full accounting of "my" experience.

This post is for those who may suffer from Osgood-Schlatters (or have children who do) and have been told there is "NOTHING" that can be done.

My son - 11 - has had O-S for two years. He is VERY active and has played football, danced, run, and played IN PAIN for those two years. Some days it is so bad he weeps. Some times in the past it has been so bad that he was taking alternating doses of Ibuprofen and Tylenol every four hours. We tried Aleve several times - and it's okay if he only takes it for a day or so at a time with a week break in between - because taking it more than that caused him severe gastric pain. Oh and we iced iced iced, baby.

Anyway - I decided to let my acupuncturist give it a try because I figured we had nothing to lose.

We started treatment the end of July. Now I suppose it could be entirely coincidental that he is suddenly suffering so much less - even though Football and Dance started in earnest in August - so that he's exercising full out MONDAY through SATURDAY - putting severe stress on his knees. He never cries with them anymore. Now sometimes - after an intense practice/rehearsal - they'll "bother" him some, but no more painkillers, no more crying on the couch due to pain, no more having to "take a break" from practice/rehearsal because his knees hurt too bad. (And school started in September with going up and down stairs up to 6 times a day - and he rides his bike from school to the studio 4 days a week).

Now, YMMV - and for those who don't "believe" and think this is some kind of placebo mumbo jumbo - well - IF it is, then I DON"T CARE!!! Because my little boy is no longer in SEVERE AND DEBILITATING PAIN!!

But for those who have O-S - or know someone who does - and you're sick of taking pain pills and tired of crying in pain on a daily basis - this might help.

[rurallib]

1. Age has mellowed mine but oh the memories! I feel for your son

My daughter had it and we had to take material and a call from the doctor to her phys-ed coach before the coach would believe there was such a thing.
I played sports also and it seemed like I would get a knock every practice or game that would put me into writhing pain.
So if acupuncture works, that is wonderful news!

[Bobbieo]

3. An acpuncturist helped me quit smoking more than 20 years ago

and I didn't gain an ounce in weight - no pain no gain.

[nannah]

2. our large and diverse family has been using acupuncture for years

family members using acupuncture have eliminated or improved migraines, sleep disturbance, allergic responses, depression, anxiety and joint pain. it is wonderful to find a way to resolve health issues without invasive procedures or medications with unwanted side effects.

[MineralMan]

4. I had it as a teenager. It went away after a couple of years,

pretty much, although I still have a pronounced bump on my right knee.

[applegrove]

5. My brother had that. He kind of grew out of it I think.

[mzteris]

6. That's the only real "cure" - finish growing.

Until you're done and the growth plate closes - you suffer pain. And even then, for some people, the bony protrusion can cause pain in adult hood.

[laconicsax]

7. Who died and made you an admin.

If you want to share your anecdotes in an open forum, you should expect people to challenge their legitimacy. This is an open forum, so you have no right to make demands about who can and cannot respond.

If you don't want to deal with the realities of an open forum (i.e. different viewpoints), then you have two options: suck it up and deal, or don't post in an open forum.

[mzteris]

8. oh - they "can" - but I don't have to grace their "opinion"

with a response. It's silly and tedious to have the same damn argument every single time the topic is brought up, ya know?

Obviously my "demands" are nothing more than my "pre-response" to whatever "opinion" they want to post.

I've been here a very long time - sometimes one just gets tired of repeating oneself.

Besides, who died and made you the posting critic?

[laconicsax]

9. The position of posting critic is open to anyone at any time--it's an open forum.

Nothing like announcing that in the event of any contrary opinions, you will proudly stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that no one said anything.

[mzteris]

10. i'm talking to people with whom

I've been having this "discussion" for quite some time. I'm sorry you feel left out of the conversation. If you want to bitch, go ahead.

[trotsky]

11. You're the one who is telling people they CAN'T be part of the conversation.

If you don't want to hear any opposing opinions, post in a sympathetic group.

[mzteris]

12. I am posting in a sympathetic group

just some of those people in this forum aren't sympathetic - look you seem to be the only with the problem here.

Obviously anyone can say anything to any one at any time about any thing or any post - i was "pre-rebuttaling" the anti-accupuncturists- and evidently - so far - it seems to have worked. Do you have an "on-topic comment" or are you getting off on complaining about my attempt at some generally benign comments?

[trotsky]

13. No, it appears you had the problem.

By "pre-rebuttaling", whatever that is, you declared that some people were not welcome. No wonder you think it "worked."

[mzteris]

14. It must've -

no one carping about acupuncture.

Just some grump carping about something else entirely. Maybe I'll "pre-rebutt" that next time and avoid this entire boring and pointless exchange. :rofl:

[trotsky]

18. No one forced you to reply.

But when you try to shut people down and deny them a voice, don't be so surprised when they don't like it.

[mzteris]

19. exactly - and no one "forced" you to post or not post

it was up to you and you did. okay now. Feel better?

[trotsky]

21. After pointing out your attempt to restrict debate and stifle discussion,

sure!

[mzteris]

22. lol

:toast:

edit: fix smiley

[trotsky]

23. Well, I do agree with the LOL...

since you said you were going to IGNORE all dissenters and yet just could not help yourself! Cheers indeed. :rofl:

[mzteris]

25. dissenters about acupuncture -

this is a conversation about style of posting.

In retrospect, I could've said it better, I suppose.

[trotsky]

29. Sure, that's what you'd like to make it now.

However your OP made it clear you would IGNORE anyone with an opinion that you didn't agree with. So apart from being wrong about the ignoring part, you can't run away from your own words.

[HuckleB]

15. Actually, many of us have a problem with your post.

However, we're also bored with such statements, and with anecdotal support for treatments that don't work. I am also disturbed that DU has chosen to selectively enforce the rules in this case.

Something is very wrong at DU, right now, and this thread is a very good example of several of the things that are wrong.

[mzteris]

16. exactly - you and i have had the same argument

how many times? BORING and POINTLESS.

I issued no directive. I made a simple "please" request. I see nothing wrong with my post although I can see where some might possibly interpret a "please" as a VERBOTTEN. Not sure how, but I can see it. Next time I'll leave off the "please just ignore" request and post MY observations about MY personal experience - that's all I was trying to do.

[HuckleB]

17. It seemed like a directive to me.

Further, it's an anecdote. On the other hand, you want others to refrain from posting actual science, yet you don't ask the same of the anti-science crowd at DU.

It seems like you have an agenda.

On edit: I've just read your first paragraph and it is not only a directive, but an ugly attack. Newsflash: Most of us have plenty of experience with scams. I recently posted an admission that I had bought into the theory that HFCS is an all encompassing evil. I looked at the evidence, and found I was wrong. There was a time, when I was treated with acupuncture for maladies that in retrospect typically get better on their own. I was convinced it worked, at the time. In time, I questioned the world, and found that the evidence isn't there for acupuncture. I can go on and on, however, I'm tired of this stuff.

[mzteris]

20. whatever hB

you and I agree on some things - on this we don't. And no- it was not an ugly attack but an attempted forestalling of the usual tactic. I clearly stated it as my personal experience - and didn't want to have to get all into some "thing" about whtehter or not you thought it was science or a scam etc... again - if it IS a "scam" - and I am firmlly in the camp that believes that it IS SCIENCE - just one beyond your ken - but IF it is - I DON"T CARE - because it IS working - something is working - for my son who I no longer have to pump full of painkillers every single day and still watch him cry in agony. If I had to dance naked in the moonlight and kiss a frog - that's what I'd do to get the results we've gotten. You might not choose to do the same - but others might be at their wits end and desperate too. If it works, then really, wtf do you care?

Osgood-Shclatters ONLY 'gets better" after a person FINISHES GROWING. My son is still very much in his growth period. I also stated very clearly- that just MAYBE - this was entirely coincidence - :shrug: - maybe. maybe not. But he's happy and relatively painfree for the first time in TWO YEARS so I'm sticking with it for now.

[HuckleB]

27. Whatever?

Read your OP again. Put yourself in the shoes of people who think and study this. Try again.

[laconicsax]

24. This is a forum in which health matters are discussed.

It isn't a support group for people who want to tune out reality when it comes to sham "treatments." You might want to try the http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=245">alt-med group if you're looking for a "sympathetic" audience.

As I understand it, you can post about how much you love ancient Chinese shams until your fingers turn blue and no one will challenge any of your anecdotes or baseless assertions.

[mzteris]

26. i didn't know about the other group. Thanks.

But since Chinese medicine has been around for oh - 5000 years or so, I think "western medicine" could be considered the more alternative. ;)

[laconicsax]

28. Only if you consider proven treatment an alternative to sham treatments.

[HuckleB]

30. Acupuncture?

http://www.youtube.com/user/C0nc0rdance#p/u/23/pp5eiHUdwb4