I found some interesting stuff today that you might want re:Climate Change

[Up2Late]

I stumbled across a massive archive of data at The National Climatic Data Center. The National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) is the world's largest active archive of weather data. Here are some links for info about the NDDC:

<http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/about/whatisncdc.html>

<http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/ncdc.html>

I don't know it their is any useful data contained in these 1993 reports (I suspect their is), but with all the interest I've seen here regarding climate change (and with all the anti-scientific types spreading their talking points here), I figured some here might find this useful.

I don't know if you will find links to most of this data through the html links, I've been doing it the "old fashion" way, clicking on directories at the links below. It might not be as fast, but their is a ton of interesting stuff in these public directories. Links below:

Global Paleoenvironmental Data: A report from the workshop by Past Global Changes (PAGES) August, 1993 (pdf file link below):
<http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/reports/pages95-2.pdf>

International Geosphere-Biosphere (IGBP)and World Climate Research (WCRP) Programmes Report of a joint IGBP-WCRP Workshop Venice, Italy, November 1994 (pdf file link below):
<http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/reports/clivar.pdf>

<http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/reports/>

<http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/>

Their is lots of other stuff, I've only just begun to discover it all. Here's the parent directory if you want to check this out:

<http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/>

<http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/>

Their is also stuff from the World Data Center for Paleoclimatology and NOAA Paleoclimatology Program.

Plus, lots of archived satellite pictures from NOAA

I hope you all find these link as entertaining as I do (yes, I'm a science/data geek).:blush:

[TallahasseeGrannie]

1. I haven't followed your links

but wondered if you can address the RW talking point that a while back we were worried about global cooling?

See the thing is..I'm 55 and I don't remember anybody ever talking about global cooling. Did I miss it?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

2. It might be cool again if the dems get control away from these

rethugs.

[bananas]

3. We're in an interglacial period

and are heading into another ice age.
That's probably what they're talking about.

[Up2Late]

4. I think that is their interpretation of the, "global warming will lead..."

"...to the next Ice-age," argument. The theory goes that, once enough ice melts, it will cause the warm water/cold water currents that currently regulate the temperature of Northern latitudes (including most of Western Europe) it will cause this to stop. Thus, if it did stop, the transfer of heat to the Northern latitudes would stop, causing Europe and the North to freeze up, triggering a new Ice-age.

That's vastly over simplified, but I guess they figure if we keep driving big SUV's, they can prevent that.

It makes no logical sense, but none of the arguments do.

[ktlyon]

6. When I was in school it was taught that we were heading for the next

ice age. This was a conclusion drawn from archeology and that the planet was cycling from warm to cold and back to warm then repeating. The evidence was thought to show we were in the middle heading toward the next ice age. That was 35 years ago and we have learned much since.

[DrRang]

5. There was a slight global cooling between 1940 and 1970 . . .

Most climate scientists think the cooling period was due to increased soot and other particulate matter from industrialization building up to the point that it blocked enough sunlight to lower temperatures a tiny bit. Then new environmental laws began taking effect in the 1970s and reduced the screening pollution so that the overall rise in temps resumed.

There was some speculation at the time that we were headed for another ice age--sort of overpumped as are so many other lurid stories. And of course the industrialists cite the period as a "har! har! that's how much climate scientist know" example.

[seasat]

7. The whole ice age thing was media not scientists.

A lot of media outlets in the 70's blew up a study by Stephen Schneider that predicted that increased pollution would result in global cooling. Schneider didn't take into account the green house gas releases. This also occurred at the same time that we were just discovering the cycles of ice ages in the paleontological record. Thought at the time was that we were reaching the end of a warm era. We've since learned that the cycles are not as exact as previously thought.

Recent studies have shown that Schneider may have been right since there is evidence of global dimming due to increased pollution in the atmosphere. The scary thing is that if remove these reflective particles such as sulfur dioxides, then the earth would warm that much faster.