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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 11:19 PM
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Outrage at attacks on NASA
Edited on Sun Feb-05-06 11:49 PM by beam me up scottie
From astronomer Phil Plait's blog:
Bad Astronomy Blog
Outrage at attacks on NASA science
February 4th, 2006

I’m slow to anger, I really am. I deal with infuriating attacks on science by the anti-science shysters all the time, so I have learned not to let my anger get the better of me.

But I have never, ever been as angry scientifically as I am right now. Never.

In this blog I have complained about the anti-intellectual, anti-science machinations of the current government (for example here and here). I have also said that creationists would be attacking astronomy soon.

Man, I hate being right sometimes.


You may have read the New York Times article on January 29 about a NASA scientist who was gagged by the government about his reports on global warming (the link requires a free registration). Dr. Jim Hansen, a top NASA scientist, had interview requests about his work with global warming denied by a NASA public affairs officer by the name of George Deutsch. While Deutsch works for NASA, he is actually a presidential appointee who worked for President Bush and Vice President Cheney during the 2004 elections.

Got this so far? Deutsch had this position as NASA public relations specialist given to him by the current administration, and according to Dr. Hansen he used it to suppress information about global warming. This issue was important enough to NASA officials that Mike Griffin, NASA’s Administrator, sent an email on Friday, Feb. 3 to all NASA employees (and which is now posted on the NASA website) saying that "It is not the job of public-affairs officers to alter, filter or adjust engineering or scientific material produced by NASA’s technical staff."

I agree wholeheartedly, of course, and I also want to make clear that I think that scientific suppression is not representative of the demeanor in general at NASA, nor of NASA’s Public Affairs Office as a whole. In fact, the NYT article makes this clear, stating " and intermediaries in the agency’s 350-member public-affairs staff said the warnings came from White House appointees in NASA headquarters" (emphasis mine; in the article Dr. Hansen clearly also strongly disagrees with policy statements by the other PAO political appointee, Dean Acosta).

But now let’s get to the next part. In the February 4 issue of the NYT, the plot thickens (all the following quotations are from that article). Other scientists have come forward and talked about how political appointees have tried to suppress or alter other information from NASA in order to make it conform to the President’s party line.

Here’s the money quote, folks, the part that has me so outraged. Sitting down? You’ll need to be.

In October, for example, George Deutsch, a presidential appointee in NASA headquarters, told a Web designer working for the agency to add the word “theory” after every mention of the Big Bang, according to an e-mail message from Mr. Deutsch that another NASA employee forwarded to The Times.


Maybe, just maybe, you’re thinking, Deutsch is just being pedantic over what to call the Big Bang, since it is in fact a scientific theory. Maybe you’re thinking this has nothing at all to do with a perversion of science.

But you’d be wrong.

The Big Bang memo came from Mr. Deutsch, a 24-year-old presidential appointee in the press office at NASA headquarters whose résumé says he was an intern in the “war room” of the 2004 Bush-Cheney re-election campaign. A 2003 journalism graduate of Texas A&M, he was also the public-affairs officer who sought more control over Dr. Hansen’s public statements.

In October 2005, Mr. Deutsch sent an e-mail message to Flint Wild, a NASA contractor working on a set of Web presentations about Einstein for middle-school students. The message said the word “theory” needed to be added after every mention of the Big Bang.

The Big Bang is “not proven fact; it is opinion,” Mr. Deutsch wrote, adding, “It is not NASA’s place, nor should it be to make a declaration such as this about the existence of the universe that discounts intelligent design by a creator.”


Emphasis, once again, is mine.

Now gee, why would that statement make me angry? Why would a NASA politically-appointed employee suppressing science, gagging a scientist, and trying to insert a narrow religious (and demonstrably wrong– the Big Bang is most certainly not a matter of "opinion" ) viewpoint into government educational activities get me so angry I could hop in a plane right now, fly to DC, and testify before Congress about these insane actions against the core of what we know to be true?

Yet, incredibly, it gets worse:

continued: “This is more than a science issue, it is a religious issue. And I would hate to think that young people would only be getting one-half of this debate from NASA. That would mean we had failed to properly educate the very people who rely on us for factual information the most.”


"Factual information"? A "religious issue"?

Did you just hear a funny noise? It was my irony gland exploding.



Read the rest of the reasons why we should ALL be outraged at these attacks www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2006/02/04/outrage-at-attacks-on-nasa-science/
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 11:29 PM
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1. Deutsch went to Texas A&M
what do you expect? He's an Aggie.
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 11:43 PM
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2. Please post the permalink
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 11:49 PM
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3. I KNOW they are out there, we all know they are out there
we know what they are trying to do and yet this post has totally depressed me....NASA? fuck.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 11:59 PM
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6. Sorry.
But people HAVE to wake up about this threat before it's too late.

Hell, maybe it's already too late, I don't know...
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 11:53 PM
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4. This is the first time in my life when I really DID
need to be sitting down before hearing information.

I'm glad it was only your irony gland -- I think my frontal lobe took a direct hit.

gah. <insert multiple expletives> gah.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 11:58 PM
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5. Actually, it was Phil's.
And anyone who visits his site knows he really is slow to anger.

(I won't tell you what I said when I read it)
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 12:09 AM
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7. Ah -- sorry. By the time I got to the end of the post
the blood was running out of my eyes, obscuring my vision.

And somehow, I can imagine what you said!:evilgrin:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 12:15 AM
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8. I remember wearing black
the day after the 2000 election.

I was in a fog that day.

But I remember some people at work asking me "C'mon! How much damage can he do?"

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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 12:24 AM
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9. I was teaching -- History 101
and we had just started talking about the Constitutional convention. I'm not big on names, dates, and memorizing stuff you can look up easily (leaves room for ideas, patterns, themes, big picture stuff) -- but that day I told them that they would memorize the Bill of Rights. Figured they'd be needing that information before too long.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 12:29 AM
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10. Good call.
We should all memorize them.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 12:37 AM
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12. So why is it, I wonder, that it feels like
Edited on Mon Feb-06-06 12:38 AM by enlightenment
no one has?

I'm getting pretty damn sick of it all -- but deliberate ignorance is the worst.

on edit: looky. my 500th post. The snail slowly progresses . . .
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 12:46 AM
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14. Congratulations!
And I share your disgust.

We get the government we deserve, indeed.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 12:30 AM
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11. People wonder about how ancient civilizations could lose knowledge
Edited on Mon Feb-06-06 12:38 AM by TechBear_Seattle
That the world was round was demontrated at least as early as 140 BCE. Rediscovered when Magellan circumnavigated the globe.

Depictions of a heliocentric planetary system can be found in ancient China. Rediscovered in the theories of Copernicus.

A Greek physician named Galen discovered the circulatory system in the late 2nd century CE. Rediscovered by Michael Servetus in the mid 16th century and again (for keeps, so far) about 200 years latter.

There are records of steam engines being used in some Greek temples in the 1st century BCE to provide special effects, such as huge doors that appeared to open and close by themselves. Rediscovered in the 17th century.

The scientific method of drawing conclusions from empirical evidence, testing those conclusions and using confirmation or refutation of the tests to revise the body of empirical evidence and, if necessary, derive different conclusions was described by Aristotle in the 4th century BCE. Rediscovered as a methodology in the Renaissance, around the 14th and 15th centuries, and not widely accepted until the 18th century Enlightenment.

Artifacts from Iran, dating to about the 1st century BCE, appear to have been primitive acid-metal wet cell batteries. Rediscovered by Alessandro Volta in 1800.


Who wants to bet that these discoveries were lost because Luddite religious fanatics screamed about how science was ruining their religious beliefs? And the downright frightening question: how much of our own technology and how many modern scientific discoveries will be lost for centuries because of what modern Luddite religious fanatics are screaming?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 12:41 AM
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13. Don't forget the Library at Alexandria.
Edited on Mon Feb-06-06 01:04 AM by beam me up scottie
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 01:48 AM
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15. Next it will be the Germ Theory vs Intelligent Illness
"He's sick because God wants him to be sick"

First they came for the evolutionists
next they came for the astronomers
then they came for the doctors
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 01:57 AM
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16. They already came for the doctors.
Edited on Mon Feb-06-06 02:01 AM by beam me up scottie
Remember the gag rule?

On January 22, 2001, on his first business day in office (and the 28th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, the landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision establishing a woman's right to an abortion), President George W. Bush re-imposed the Global Gag Rule on the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) population program. This policy restricts foreign non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that receive USAID family planning funds from using their own, non-U.S. funds to provide legal abortion services, lobby their own governments for abortion law reform, or even provide accurate medical counseling or referrals regarding abortion. The 1973 Helms Amendment is a legislative provision that already restricts U.S. funds from being used for these activities.

http://www.crlp.org/pub_fac_ggrbush.html





edited to add link
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 03:31 AM
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17. That's scary.
IDiots affecting policy at NASA.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 03:33 AM
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18. There's nothing they
won't corrupt.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 10:32 AM
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19. "Remember this..."
Ultimately, the gripe the religious have isn't with the simple facts, it's with the process. Science is a tool that has been incredibly successful at digging into the nature of the universe, and religion is a proven flop next to it. That rankles, I'm sure.

Look at Philip Johnson and the Wedge document, too: they aren't after just the idea that man evolved from apes. They're out to demolish the whole enchilada. Their enemy is naturalism. Every science is a target.

Remember this: anything that isn't learned by way of dogma and revelation is a direct challenge to the authority of religious leaders. Science, all of it, is a threat to the religious cash cow. And most daunting to the theocratic mindset, clawing your way to the top of the scientific heap doesn't translate to the same kind of immunity to effective criticism we see in Christianity. They just don't see how they can shift a scam that requires credulity to a paradigm that demands skepticism.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/02/dont_be_surprisedphysics_has_a.php
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 11:55 PM
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21. And yet again,
the standard posts from those expecting a scientist to apologize for championing science over superstition.

It's time to take off the gloves, people.





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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 11:18 AM
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20. What's next? Faith-based space travel?
Just pray really really hard and you'll be transported to Mars. :eyes:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 11:56 PM
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22. Why not? Kids are expected to use faith based contraception.
And we know how well that works.
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:46 AM
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23. No space trave.
Space trave = Tower of Babel.
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 01:00 PM
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24. Those bastards deserve the full on attack
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 10:09 AM
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25. this Deutsch bastard didn't even graduate and lied about it
From the LA Times:

NASA Press Secretary Dean Acosta declined to say Wednesday why Deutsch left his job. But he said Deutsch, 24, claimed to be a journalism graduate from Texas A&M University, something the university denied.

University spokesman Lane Stephenson said: "Our registrar's office tells us he attended Texas A&M, but he did not receive a degree."
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:06 PM
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26. I'm not a fan of the NYT, but
they did the right thing by printing that story.
And the folks at NASA who blew the whistle, both on and off the record, should be given medals.
More from the LA Times article:

One NASA official, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of repercussions, said that Deutsch had worked on Bush's reelection campaign before being appointed to NASA headquarters in Washington.

Deutsch became a controversial figure in recent days after the New York Times reported that one of NASA's top climate scientists, James E. Hansen, said that administration appointees had tried to get him to tone down his statements about the dangers of global warming.

Deutsch had tried to prevent Hansen from giving an interview to National Public Radio, calling it "the most liberal" media outlet in the country, the newspaper reported.

Deutsch also was linked to a headquarters advisory issued in October ordering that the word "theory" be added after every mention of the big bang, which proposes that the universe began with a gigantic explosion.

The newspaper said it had obtained a memo in which Deutsch wrote that the big bang was "not proven fact; it is opinion."
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