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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:03 AM
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One small word - Neil Armstrong's grammar vindicated.
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Mr Armstrong has long insisted that he meant to say “one small step for a man . . .” — which would have been a more meaningful and grammatically correct version, free of tautology. But even the astronaut himself could not be sure.

“Damn, I really did it. I blew the first words on the Moon, didn’t I?” he is reported to have asked officials later, amid uncertainty as to whether he had blown the moment or simply been drowned out by static interference as his words were relayed 250,000 miles back to Earth.

Now, after almost four decades, the spaceman has been vindicated. Using high-tech sound analysis techniques, an Australian computer expert has rediscovered the missing “a” in Mr Armstrong’s famous quote. Peter Shann Ford ran the Nasa recording through sound-editing software and clearly picked up an acoustic wave from the word “a”, finding that Mr Armstrong spoke it at a rate of 35 milliseconds — ten times too fast for it to be audible.

Mr Ford’s findings have been presented to Nasa officials in Washington and to a relieved Mr Armstrong, who issued a statement saying: “I find the technology interesting and useful. I also find his conclusion persuasive.”
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:06 AM
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1. I'm skeptical that we can't hear the word "a" and there is no break
...for silence, but somehow the software can prove it's there.

Who says "a" ten times too fast for it to be audible?
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:09 AM
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2. Ask George Lucas
Everyone knows the so-called moon landing was just a practice run for Star Wars, right?

:sarcasm: so nobody thinks I'm a moonbat (ba-dum-pishhhh).
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:17 AM
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4. The recording device could have screwed up. It was analog after all.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:48 AM
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5. I heard the original transmission back then, and clearly recall
the slight gap between "for" and "man" that seemed to be missing a sound. It WAS in there, and now we know without a doubt.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:48 AM
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6. I took a close look/listen to the recording
and there is a soft syllable between "for" and "man". If the sound is time stretched a few hundred percent or more, the "a" becomes more clear.
This(66.0 KB) is "for a man" stretched just a little,

and this(665 KB) is stretched a lot.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 02:09 AM
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7. That second one sounds like whale calls...
...I think the first one was clear enough.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 02:41 AM
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8. Heheh, cool huh? :) Whales.
In the second one, the "a" isn't audible as an "a", but the rhythm - the extra pulse of the "a" - becomes more apparent, I think.


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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:21 PM
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10. I'll side with this site:
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 09:06 AM
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11. They say he may have said "a", but didn't enunciate distinctly.
Edited on Thu Oct-05-06 09:09 AM by greyl
They offer several caveats:
Armstrong may or may not have produced the remnants of an "a," in the form e.g. of slight constriction at the back of his throat.

Armstrong did not produce the sort of canonical "a" he would probably have intended for broadcast back to planet Earth...

Note also one other caveat: conceivably the "for" could have just run into the "a", so that what's left of the intended "a" is in fact before the interval I have marked as being under question. This would mean that Armstrong did indeed produce an "a," but not in such a way that it could be distinguished by a hearer. A phonetician might look for evidence for or against this, but I'll just leave it, since even if true, it would certainly mean that Armstrong did not produce what he intended, i.e. something that could actually be distinguished from "for man."


You agree with that? ;)
I'm not arguing that it's plain as day and that he used the Queens english. That's the reason why analysing it with software is necessary.

I can't imagine why they say "the space between "for" and "man" is as near as dammit identical to the space between "for" and "mankind", because there's a clear difference:


If you make a seamless loop out of the questioned "a" section of the recording, it results in an uh or ah sound. The corresponding space between the "for" and "man" in "for mankind" is the nondescript noise present throughout the recording.


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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:16 AM
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3. I saw that.
It certainly makes sense.
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Spearman87 Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:12 PM
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9. Vindicated his grammer but ruined the poetic flow
...of the phrase, IMO.

I loved the original--apparently faulty--transcription. The symmetry seems better between "For Man" and "For Mankind"
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Billy Ruffian Donating Member (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 11:39 AM
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12. Isn't there a missing tape from the Apollo 11 mission?
The one where Armstrong signs off with "Good Luck, Mr. Gorsky" :evilgrin:
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Billy Ruffian Donating Member (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 11:48 AM
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14. Rats
Nobody picked up on that teaser.

From Snopes

and Urban Legends

(but that story isn't as good as my explanation of why skydivers go up when they open their parachutes)
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 10:32 PM
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13. Now, what about the "one -iant leap for mankind"? n/t
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