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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:34 PM
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Why do nails start to work their way up on an outside deck after a while?

Or is it the wood shrinking away from the nail? :shrug:
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:35 PM
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1. That is the wood seeking equilibrium.
Also, just as temperature changes expand and contract concrete, same goes with wood (and every other material).
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:36 PM
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2. Pressure from walking on them and the warp of weather damage
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 02:36 PM by Cronus Protagonist
n/t
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PetrusMonsFormicarum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:37 PM
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3. Expansion and contraction
is my guess. My neighbors have a deck made of the wood composite planks and this doesn't seem to be an issue, 4 years after they had it built.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:37 PM
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4. The shrinking and expanding of the wood does that...


just get yer hammer and go bang em back down every few months. :)
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:37 PM
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5. That's what nails are paid to do.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:24 PM
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15. ...and if they are two-penny nails, they do it cheaper /nt
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:38 PM
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6. The natural expansion/contraction cycle of the wood slowly forces them out.
Occasionally, boards will actually WARP upwards, lifting the nail,
and then relax back down again, leaving it standing proud.
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coriolis Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:42 PM
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7. The wood does shrink some when it cools and so does the nail but not as much!
Each time the temperature rises, the wood which has a lower coefficient of thermal expansion gives the nail a tiny "push" which is toward the 'outside', or the path of least resistance. Over years, a nail can actually get pushed all the way out! We fight the problem with our deck...hammering the nails back in is a very temporary solution because the hole is already there and so the wood hasn't much ability to grab the nail. :-)
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Win Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:44 PM
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8. They're proud.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:47 PM
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9. because it really is personal for nails -- they ARE out to get you. nt
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:51 PM
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10. Is it possible to replace them with screws?
My FIL tried this solution, he got several more years use out of that deck.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:55 AM
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12. Good idea. nt
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:43 PM
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13. Use zinc galvanised screws. Esp if the wood is treated.
Cadmium plated screws will rust out in no time flat in treated timbers.

Screws are definitely the go if installing a new deck.

In an existing deck, pull each nail as it stands proud and replace with a screw.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:04 PM
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16. Some decking now uses concealed clips rather than face-screwing/face-nailing. (NT)
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 04:23 PM
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11. Probably just a case of slow "slip-stick" motion. nt
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:50 PM
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14. Cuz some idiot built it using straight new nail instead of old bent ones
Straight new nails go in easy and come right back out easy, too

It takes more skill to hammer in an old bent nail, but it will stay in place

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