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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:13 PM Original message |
Are the Autism/vaccination people any different than Creationist? |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. umm if the vaccines are the fault, then there should be NO autism in unvaccinated kids. nt |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. Not really. |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
3. Faith and belief are not the same, but neither of them... |
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JimboBillyBubbaBob (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
4. Research |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
5. I'm one of those kooks! Hear me out. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Why hasn't there been a steep decline in autism afflicted children |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I don't know. I'm not a scientist. I'm just someone who know mercury is a neurotoxin |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. " I'm not a scientist." |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Unfortunately when real scientists do communicate their knowledge |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
28. True, but I want nothing with mercury in my body, mouth, or anywhere near me. It's a neurotoxin. nt |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. okaaay |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Gee I don't know how to say this. How about this.... |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:47 AM Response to Reply #36 |
56. Don't go outside EVER again |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
65. Newsflash |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
86. Best not to eat, breathe, or consume water, then. Mercury is ubiquitous. |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. dupe |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. its not toxic in small doses. |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. well, while I agree with you 100% |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I've encounter this poster before (health, GD) |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. You are talking about |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
58. Yes. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. OY VEY. So you want me to drink mercury or have it injected in small doses? |
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Random_Australian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
47. Radioactivity is also not harmful in small doses. I will assume you'd rather not |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. I can't remove my skeleton, but I can stay away from harmful things.... |
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Random_Australian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 02:50 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. But you can control never going near concrete, and living under a lead shelter to avoid cosmic rays, |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
87. You are eating and drinking and breathing it every day. |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
52. Hey, those of us who don't want it only leave more for you. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:03 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. I've not had thimerosol shot since I was little |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:52 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. LOL! We are so screwed. I fear death is inevitable. |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #60 |
83. Is that the same thing? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. ... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
88. Can't drink water either. She'll rust and explode. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Try to do some reading that isn't on anti vax sites some time |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Here's my answer: mercury is a neurotoxin. I don't care that some forms are less toxic... |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. In your brain - right now - killing brain cells is ... |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Okay, I'll do some research on glutamate.... |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
68. You are about the brokenest record I've ever seen. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Thank you for proving the OP's point |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Which is what? That people who refuse neurotoxins, even in light form, are nuts? nt |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:08 AM Response to Reply #49 |
61. LD-50 |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #49 |
89. Aren you aware that the deadly neurotoxin, botulinum toxin, has a valid |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
64. Dihydrogen monoxide is a neurotoxin. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
77. Putting your fingers in your ears and repeating the same thing over and over again... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
43. Bingo! Good analysis. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. In the clinic where I work we see older folks who are having |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. autism is genetic based |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. There's nothing conclusive to indicate that, so where did you get it? nt |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
57. Bullshit. I got it from scientific studies. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Cherie Blair declined to answer whether she had had her youngsters vaccinated with the |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Umm you are TOTALLY WRONG, woo. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. You're 100% right! Know why? Because the vaccine companies finally used up all their mercury.... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Oy vey. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. I'll tell you what. We'll agree to disagree. You take Neurotoxin Light, and I..... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 12:40 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. You can be as willfully ignorant as you like, but don't expect a pass to spread the stupid around. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Okay typhoid mary |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
85. If you had done your homework more thoroughly you would know that |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
8. Well, for starters, what I'd do was to check this out for myself |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. "I think it is very important to read about a study and what exactly |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. You are not citing objective sites. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. I didn't take sides in this conflict, you realize |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. Absolutely |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. ? |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I thought |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. It's hard to have a discussion |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Please read my post |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Please read your post. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. You are right and yet wrong |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
24. To answer the question. No difference. |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
29. definitely some overlap |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
37. 242,000 dead from measles in 2006 |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
38. There's a big difference |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-08-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
39. They're significantly worse. |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 06:02 AM Response to Original message |
55. A common thread, Holocaust denial, intelligent design, anti-global warming. |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
62. Yes. It's magnitudes greater a form of delusion. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
63. Creationism, pray the gay away, holocaust denial... |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
66. They're different |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #66 |
90. People who refuse vaccines or won't vaccinate their children can and do |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Fundementalist nut-jobs will kill you for blasphemy. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Nope, but it's the logical, predictable outcome of their refusal, |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
69. This thread suggests that no, they aren't (nt) |
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Mark Baker (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
70. Interesting transatlantic difference |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. The loonies here can't even keep their facts straight |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
71. A former Director of the NIH says "Yes, they are different!" |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I'm going to call bullshit here. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Exactly what are you calling bullshit on? |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I'm saying that Dr. Healey is flat out WRONG |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Where is Dr Healy wrong? Please be precise. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. Hannah Poling was not diagnosed with autism |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Dr. Jon Poling, the neurologist, and Hannah's father, states very clearly, she has autism. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Your argument is indistinguishable from all other anti-vax nonsense |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. You label my response "anti-vax nonsense". You fail to back up your claim. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. I told you why Dr. Healy was wrong |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. You certainly did not respond when I asked you where Dr Healy was wrong. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. Just to clarify... |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-08 08:10 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Essentially you're asking about source material. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
96. I know 2 kids with Autism |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Here's an article that says twins may be 12 - 14 times more likely than general population to ... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Thank you !!! |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Um, Marrah. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-20-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Maybe they look a whole lot alike |
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