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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 12:04 PM
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Another Planet spied! (that makes 3 systems imaged in the last month!)
A team of French astronomers using ESO's Very Large Telescope have discovered an object located very close to the star Beta Pictoris, and which apparently lies inside its disc. With a projected distance from the star of only 8 times the Earth-Sun distance, this object is most likely the giant planet suspected from the peculiar shape of the disc and the previously observed infall of comets onto the star. It would then be the first image of a planet that is as close to its host star as Saturn is to the Sun.




The hot star Beta Pictoris is one of the best-known examples of stars surrounded by a dusty 'debris' disc. Debris discs are composed of dust resulting from collisions among larger bodies like planetary embryos or asteroids. They are a bigger version of the zodiacal dust in our Solar System. Its disc was the first to be imaged — as early as 1984 — and remains the best-studied system. Earlier observations showed a warp of the disc, a secondary inclined disc and infalling comets onto the star. "These are indirect, but tell-tale signs that strongly suggest the presence of a massive planet lying between 5 and 10 times the mean Earth-Sun distance from its host star," says team leader Anne-Marie Lagrange. "However, probing the very inner region of the disc, so close to the glowing star, is a most challenging task."

In 2003, the French team used the NAOS-CONICA instrument (or NACO), mounted on one of the 8.2 m Unit Telescopes of ESO's Very Large Telescope (VLT), to benefit from both the high image quality provided by the Adaptive Optics system at infrared wavelengths and the good dynamics offered by the detector, in order to study the immediate surroundings of Beta Pictoris.

Recently, a member of the team re-analysed the data in a different way to seek the trace of a companion to the star. Infrared wavelengths are indeed very well suited for such searches. "For this, the real challenge is to identify and subtract as accurately as possible the bright stellar halo," explains Lagrange. "We were able to achieve this after a precise and drastic selection of the best images recorded during our observations."

The strategy proved very rewarding, as the astronomers were able to discern a feeble, point-like glow well inside the star's halo. To eliminate the possibility that this was an artefact and not a real object, a battery of tests was conducted and several members of the team, using three different methods, did the analysis independently, always with the same success. Moreover, the companion was also discovered in other data sets, further strengthening the team's conclusion: the companion is real.

"Our observations point to the presence of a giant planet, about 8 times as massive as Jupiter and with a projected distance from its star of about 8 times the Earth-Sun distance, which is about the distance of Saturn in our Solar System," says Lagrange.

more:

http://www.eso.org/public/outreach/press-rel/pr-2008/pr-42-08.html
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 12:09 PM
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1. Oh boy! More useless knowledge at the cost of billions! nt
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 12:10 PM
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2. luddite n/t
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 12:37 PM
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5. Aren't Internet-using Luddites so cute? (nt)
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 12:15 PM
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3. I used to work for a company that made these types of cameras

40 thousand dollars, not billions. A lot of science people like you thought was worthless ended up saving lives or making life easier for the rest of us. We would still be in the dark ages if it were up to YOU.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 12:20 PM
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4. Yeah, Copernicus wasted his time, too.
:eyes:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:30 PM
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6. Go live in a cave, if you really WANT to be an ignorant savage. n/t
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 01:30 PM by IanDB1
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 02:22 PM
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7. Stupid scientists
Studying stupid things like the stupid cosmos and stupid fruit flies, building stupid things like stupid projectors for stupid planetariums...
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 02:25 PM
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8. You know they spent $3M for an overhead projector....
Science is a giant waste of money!

In fact, I'm going to spend all my time on the internets denouncing science!
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 02:45 PM
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9. studying silly things like fruit flies I kid you not, you betcha. Also.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:04 PM
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10. And crab mating patterns
There couldn't be anything useful about knowing when and how Alaskan King Crab mate....

But it's very useful to bitch and moan about it on TV and the internets..... those damn scientists wasting our money....
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:31 PM
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11. And your cost estimates are off, too
"Billions" -- ?

ESO's budget has been well under 100 million Euros per year, and they train hundreds of physicists each year, most of whom end up in industry.

--p!
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:46 PM
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12. Yeah, but that's abstract science-y stuff.
What we need to do is get all maverickey up in there, and cut their budget. Why is it a good idea to keep scientists employed and actually doing science, anyway?

:banghead:
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Bonescrat Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:23 PM
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13. Such as also too? ny
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:13 AM
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14. You're being sarcastic, aren't you?
It's hard for me to tell but since you haven't replied...
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:36 PM
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15. AHH. AHHHHH! I can't stop thinking about this. Planets are not *rare* anymore.
And not only are they not rare anymore, we can actually *see* them. Visually! AHH!!! This is such a great time to be alive to experience astronomy.
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