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parasearchers Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:37 AM
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Anyone want to take a guess at what this is?
Edited on Thu Sep-10-09 09:46 AM by parasearchers
Found this article, but I would think it was a croc, except the location would be all wrong Not to mention the fur, course it could be a cobbled-together fake creature, a theory I have is its a Republican after it sheds it's skin:




This creature was found by Russian soldiers on Sakhalin shoreline. Sakhalin area is situated near to Japan, it’s the most eastern part of Russia, almost 5000 miles to East from Moscow (Russia is huge). People don’t know who is it. According to the bones and teeth – it is not a fish. According to its skeleton – it’s not a crocodile or alligator. It has a skin with hair or fur. It has been said that it was taken by Russian special services for in-depth studies, and we are lucky that people who encountered it first made those photos before it was brought away.

http://parasearcher.blogspot.com/2009/09/unknown-creature-found-by-russian.html
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:40 AM
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1. It's the set for the new Dark Crystal sequel
that much is obvious. Why clutter up the science forum with this shit? :shrug:
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parasearchers Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:43 AM
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3. I dont often post sheer weird stuff here,
Edited on Thu Sep-10-09 09:46 AM by parasearchers
but this really peaked my curiosity, namely because of the quality of the pictures. Usually you get fuzzy, poor light all sorts of "problems" this however takes shots from various angles. I
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:27 AM
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17. LOL -- you got it
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:41 AM
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2. It's a thingy
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:48 AM
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4. sea leopard?


Pretty odd that it would be that far north.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:48 AM
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5. My guess is it's a Globster of whale collagen, aka "Sperm Whale Junk."
Edited on Thu Sep-10-09 09:51 AM by Ian David
Attack of the Globsters!

Are mysterious blobs of flesh washed up on the world's beachs really unworthy of skeptical attention?

St. Augustine, Florida, 1896 — It came from the sea, its great bulk suspended in the gentle surf, until it began to drag along the sandy bottom. A final push from a larger wave and it took hold upon the beach. Its mass settled and the water receded. The body of Octopus giganteus, the largest creature ever to swim in the sea, had washed ashore. Tourists and media flocked to see the five ton remains of the fearsome beast. What became known as the St. Augustine Monster had made its mark on history, and established itself as the first in a long line of creatures collectively called globsters: Great globs of unrecognizable tissue washed up on beaches, too large and shapeless to be anything but sea monsters.

All too often, the default skeptical position has been to brush these off as misidentified whale parts or some other marine life that has decayed to the point of being unrecognizable. And that explanation is certainly true in many cases, probably in the majority of cases. But to be a responsible skeptic, you can't simply ignore the small number of cases that don't fit that explanation. The fact is that a few of these globsters are not consistent with the usual suspects, like whale blubber or basking shark carcasses, and that's something skeptics should be aware of. Some of these few globsters that genuinely do defy expert explanation do actually appear to be more consistent with the cryptozoologists' preferred interpretation — that of a legendary, gargauntuan, undiscovered cephalopod that they call Octopus giganteus: Too big to be a whale part, too shapeless to be from a giant shark. And it's these few of the strangest globsters that are worth a skeptical examination.

<snip>

There is a clue to the identity of a lot of globsters hidden within the witness descriptions. Often, you'll read that the creature was covered with white fur, or sometimes brown fur. Sometimes stiff, pointed quills are reported. White fur or quills are an immediate tipoff that what you're looking at it is almost certainly deteriorating connective tissue, which is made of collagen.

Collagen is the most abundant protein in mammals and most other animals. It's a long, sturdy, triple-helix molecule and is the major component of strong connective tissue like bones, tendons, ligaments, and cartilage. Leather is strong because it's mostly collagen. Those indestructible tendons that get in your way when you carve a turkey are a hassle because they're mostly collagen. Many of the ligaments in your body are strong enough to lift a car because they're mostly collagen. Suffice it to say that if you're looking for durable biological material, look no further than collagen.

<snip>

A sperm whale's junk is the lower section of the spermaceti organ in its head. Making up a quarter of a sperm whale's entire mass, the complete spermaceti organ can weigh over ten tons and produces the sperm whale's distinctive head shape. It's encased within a huge, thick, fibrous muscle called the maxillonasalis muscle. Most of the organ consists of a huge sac of spermaceti oil, the stuff most prized by whalers of old. But the bottom third of the organ, weighing up to three tons itself, is the junk. This is a sac with much denser oil, and it was called the junk and discarded because it's filled with extremely tough collagen partitions. Whatever other function the junk might have, sperm whales also use it as a battering ram, having even sunk whaling ships with it, most notably the Essex and the Ann Alexander. This giant mass of tough collagen fibers is one of the hugest and most durable pieces of anatomy in the entire animal kingdom, and yet it's something almost nobody has ever heard of, or certainly would be able to identify if it washed up on a beach. If you found a shapeless three ton mass of collagen on a beach, what would you think it is? Surely nothing recognizable; it's no wonder they went for the Octopus giganteus option.

More:
http://skeptoid.com/episode.php?id=4152&comments=all
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:52 AM
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9. I take that back. It has a skull with teeth. n/t
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parasearchers Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:56 AM
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10. Yep, was wondering about the skeleton which puts the theory out, but a good theory otherwise,
Edited on Thu Sep-10-09 09:58 AM by parasearchers
if it hadnt been for the skeleton.

Those pictures were driving me crazy. Just so darn clear.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:08 AM
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16. and no front nostrils. nt
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:49 AM
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6. It resembles a Komodo Dragon,
but if it is, it is a long way from home.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:52 AM
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8. Pretty hairy for a reptile, too. nt
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:02 AM
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12. Just because it looks like hair, doesn't mean it IS hair. n/t
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:07 AM
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15. After looking again, I think you're right.
It may have some hair, but most of that is not hair.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:51 AM
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7. No nostrils!
Edited on Thu Sep-10-09 09:54 AM by Deep13
Are there any small, furry whales? Do immature orca whales have fur?

Actually, on a second look, the photos do not look like clumps of fur so much as decayed flesh.

I'm going with either an immature orca or a small toothy whale like a pilot or a beluga.
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parasearchers Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:59 AM
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11. but the tail, doesnt look fish-like :P
grrr this bugs me.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:02 AM
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13. We don't really have a good look at it. EDIT
Edited on Thu Sep-10-09 10:04 AM by Deep13
Anyway, does a whale's tail bones look fish-like? It moves mostly up and down, so it would look different. And whales evolved from land animals, unlike fish. Let me find some whale skeleton pics to check.

Okay, here's a killer whale.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:03 AM
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14. It could be a reptile that was entangled in the flesh of a whale carcass. n/t
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:47 AM
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18. Probably a beluga whale carcass
The sea does odd things to a carcass. Also note this was found 3 years ago.

Cryptomundo covered this a while back:
http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/russian-plesiosaur3/
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parasearchers Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:28 PM
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19. Nice find Semilama
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:04 PM
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26. I'd call that a convincing match. n/t
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pfloydguy7750 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:55 PM
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20. no fucking clue
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 01:31 AM
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21. I Think We Can Rule Out Oscar the Mixed Animal
Edited on Sun Sep-13-09 01:32 AM by On the Road
=)

On Edit: It should be possible to do a DNA analysis on the flesh. Even if it's not a known species, its taxonomy should be relatively clear.
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Alfa Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:08 PM
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22. my guess
It looks quite frankly my really old uncle, after spending hours in the swimming-pool.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:25 PM
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23. Yet another post where you link to your blog rather than the original article?
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gk88850 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 09:52 PM
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24. chupacabra?
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 04:26 AM
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25. It's the carcass of a toothed whale of some sort
I've also seen it found everywhere from Miami to Antarctica to South Africa to New Zealand to Peru, now Sakhalin.

For reference, this is the skull of an orca



Cetacean skulls look nothing like their heads.
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