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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 12:52 PM
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More Animals Seem to Have Some Ability to Count
Counting may be innate in many species

Scientists have been skeptical of claims of mathematical abilities in animals ever since the case of Clever Hans about 100 years ago. The horse, which performed arithmetic and other intellectual tasks to delighted European audiences, was in reality simply taking subconscious cues from his trainer. Modern examples, such as Alex the African grey parrot, which could count up to six and knew sums and differences, are seen by some as special cases or the product of conditioning.

Recent studies, however, have uncovered new instances of a counting skill in different species, suggesting that mathematical abilities could be more fundamental in biology than previously thought. Under certain conditions, monkeys could sometimes outperform college students.

In a study published last summer in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B, Kevin C. Burns of Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand and his colleagues burrowed holes in fallen logs and stored varying numbers of mealworms (beetle larvae) in these holes in full view of wild New Zealand robins at the Karori Wildlife Sanctuary. Not only did the robins flock first to the holes with the most mealworms, but if Burns tricked them, removing some of the insects when they weren’t looking, the robins spent twice as long scouring the hole for the missing mealworms. “They probably have some innate ability to discern between small numbers” as three and four, Burns thinks, but they also “use their number sense on a daily basis, and so through trial and error, they can train themselves to identify numbers up to 12.”

More recently, in the April issue of the same Royal Society journal, Rosa Rugani of the University of Trento in Italy and her team demonstrated arithmetic in newly hatched chickens. The scientists reared the chicks with five identical objects, and the newborns imprinted on these objects, considering them their parents. But when the scientists subtracted two or three of the original objects and left the remainders behind screens, the chicks went looking for the larger number of objects, sensing that Mom was more like a three and not a two. Rugani also varied the size of the objects to rule out the possibility the chicks were identifying groups based simply on the fact that larger numbers of items take up more space than smaller numbers.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 12:56 PM
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1. Not scientific, but I've noticed that my cat seems to know if something
in a group that he's familiar with is missing. Could it be he recognizes numbers. Also, how does a mother cat or dog know how many babies are in her litter and knows to go retrieve one that is missing?
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 02:06 PM
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8. She names each one and keeps track that way.....
Its not rocket science! My mom kept my brothers and sisters in order that way...though often confused the names or just plain forgot them.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 12:57 PM
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2. But still not Republicans. n/t
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 02:48 PM
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9. Or Creationists.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 12:59 PM
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3. robins and chickens? i'll reserve judgement
parrots and corvids, case closed, these guys know what's going on

you'd better give ALL your small snack items to mr. clark's nutcracker, he is not going to take no for an answer
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 01:02 PM
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4. Doesen't the Raffi experiment wtih five little ducks...
prove this?
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 01:12 PM
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5. "Under certain conditions, monkeys could sometimes outperform college students."
Now there's a surprise. The monkeys could also probably accurately count crowd size better than Michelle Malkin, et al.
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 01:29 PM
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7. I've worked in universities
Not only do monkeys outperform some college students, they're also better behaved and more hygienic.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 01:16 PM
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6. Alex the parrot:
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 04:21 PM
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10. Have you seen Snowball?
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