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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 08:55 AM
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Watch Two Space Crafts Crash into the Moon...... Oct. 9th
Just imagine. A spaceship plunges out of the night sky, hits the ground and explodes. A plume of debris billows back into the heavens, leading your eye to a second ship in hot pursuit. Four minutes later, that one hits the ground, too. It's raining spaceships!

Put on your hard hat and get ready for action, because on Friday, Oct. 9th, what you just imagined is really going to happen--and you can have a front row seat.

There are two ways to watch the show.



First, turn on NASA TV. The space agency will broadcast the action live from the Moon, with coverage beginning Friday morning at 3:15 am PDT (10:15 UT). The first hour or so, pre-impact, will offer expert commentary, status reports from mission control, camera views from the spacecraft, and telemetry-based animations


The actual impacts commence at 4:30 am PDT (11:30 UT). The Centaur rocket will strike first, transforming 2200 kg of mass and 10 billion joules of kinetic energy into a blinding flash of heat and light. Researchers expect the impact to throw up a plume of debris as high as 10 km.


And that brings us to the second way to see the show: Grab your telescope.

"We expect the debris plumes to be visible through mid-sized backyard telescopes—10 inches and larger," says Brian Day of NASA/Ames. Day is an amateur astronomer and the Education and Public Outreach Lead for LCROSS. "The initial explosions will probably be hidden behind crater walls, but the plumes will rise high enough above the crater's rim to be seen from Earth."

More at `nasa: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/05oct_lcrossvg.htm?list27315

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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 09:08 AM
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1. VERY cool! If it's not raining, I'll put up the telescope to see if I can catch a glimpse...
otherwise I'll get the kids up to watch it on TV. Thanks for posting this.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 12:50 PM
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7. Watch on NASA TV unless you have a scope 10" or larger.
The show on NASA TV is going to be spectacular. Think of all of those videos of us bombing poor people in Iraq or Afghanistan. But instead of the video (which will be live) showing a house or building blowing up, it'll show a very great expansion of debris from a darkened crater. It's going to be a beautiful sight!
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Yunomi Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 04:01 PM
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2. Wait... what?
Why?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 12:47 PM
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5. We've known since Lunar Prospector that the moon contains a lot of hydrogen.
And we now know, from more recent observations, that the moon actually has surface water (and other hydroxyls). What LCROSS is attempting to do is *see* just how much exists in craters on the poles with year round darkness (so that the stability of the water molecules is very good).
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 09:33 AM
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3. Thanks for this post. (nt)
:)
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:55 AM
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4. hey ichingcarpenter, yea, I just got redirected to this forum
after I posted this in the environment/energy forum, geez, a woman can't make a mistake?

but why are they doing this to check for water only?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 12:48 PM
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6. Water is a big deal, the single most important reason, but they can glean other info from it too.
But yes water is the primary objective.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:27 AM
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12. The mission by Nasa.
The LCROSS mission is a search for water on the moon. The LCROSS mission is going to do this by sending a rocket crashing into the moon causing a big impact and creating a crater, throwing tons of debris and potentially water ice and vapor above the lunar surface. This impact will release materials from the lunar surface that will be analyzed for the presence of hydrated minerals which would tell researchers if water is there or not. The two main components of the LCROSS mission are the Shepherding Spacecraft (S-S/C) and the Centaur upper stage rocket. The Shepherding Spacecraft guides the rocket to a site selected on the moon that has a high probability of containing water. Because they have only one chance with this mission in finding water, the researchers have to be very precise where they program the Shepherding Spacecraft to guide the rocket.

The Shepherding Spacecraft and Centaur rocket are launched together with another spacecraft called the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO). All three are connected to each other for launch, but then the LRO separates one hour after launch. The Shepherding Spacecraft guides the Centaur rocket through multiple Earth orbits, each taking about 38 days.

The rocket then separates from the Shepherding Spacecraft and impacts the Moon at more than twice the speed of a bullet, causing an impact that results in a big plume or cloud of lunar debris, and possibly water. While this is happening the Shepherding Spacecraft, which has scientific instruments on-board including cameras, is taking pictures of the rocket’s descent and impact into the moon.

Four minutes later, the Shepherding Spacecraft follows almost the exact same path as the rocket, descending down through the big plume and analyzing it with special instruments.

The analysis is specifically looking for water (ice and vapor), hydrocarbons and hydrated materials. The Shepherding Spacecraft is collecting data continuously and transmitting it back to Earth before its own demise. This crash will be so big that we on Earth may be able to view the resulting plume of material it ejects with a good amateur telescope.


The science payload consists of a total of nine instruments consisting of one visible, two near infrared, and two mid-infra- red cameras; one visible and two near-infrared spectrometers; and a photometer. A data handling unit (DHU) collects the information from each instrument for transmission back to LCROSS Mission Control. Due to the schedule and budget constraints, the LCROSS team took full advantage of available rugged, commercially available components.

Although the selected instruments are considered rugged for their intended uses on Earth, space is a harsh environment. The LCROSS payload team put the individual instruments though a rigorous testing cycle that simulated launch and the conditions of space. The team identified design weakness and modifications for space use and worked with the manufac- turers to strengthen their designs. The payload was assembled and underwent additional tests to determine how the system worked together. Once the payload met all testing criteria and the team was satisfied, it was shipped to Northrop Grum- man, Redondo Beach, Calif., for integration into the LCROSS spacecraft.

Instrument checkout and calibration will be performed during the swing-by of the moon 5 days after launch. One hour prior to impact, instruments will be powered on and will return data until impact of the spacecraft.


More from Nasa link
http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/mission.htm

I think its a good mission after all they did it to a comet and got tons
of data that will take years of analysis
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 12:52 PM
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8. I'd recommend watching it on NASA TV since you'll have a unique view. But...
...if you have a 10" or larger telescope, you might want to point it skyward, since you can always see the replays (I expect NASA TV to be the most watched channel on YouTube on Oct 9th).
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:00 PM
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10. I've Got A 6" And I'll Be Looking.
You never know. :shrug:

Jay
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 09:24 PM
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9. The thread in GD on this is frightening.
The sheer amount of stupid is smothering. :wow:
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:05 PM
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11. I Can't Tell What's Real...
and what's comedy. That's pretty scary.

Jay
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 02:47 AM
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13. I come to DU for E&E, R&F and Science forums. GD and GD:P turn my stomach most of the time.
Don't get me started about the Astrology subgroup (mind you, subscription only) having more posts than Science does. *sigh*
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:10 AM
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15. that's why i came directly to the science forum.
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Dubiosus Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 06:49 AM
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14. Do these people want to get a battle started? (big picture, sorry)
Edited on Fri Oct-09-09 06:50 AM by Dubiosus
If anybody would have studied the moon pictures of Nasa closely enough, he/she would cry out loud about that kind of act!! There are not only ruins on the moon.

load it down, turn it 180° and give it a little more contrast.

Hold your breath!



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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:16 AM
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16. I hope you don't mind telling me what I'm supposed to be seeing
because I really don't get it.

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Dubiosus Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 05:50 PM
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17. Don't mind at all
If you are not used to it, it can be hard to see!

When I turned the picture on the head and gave just a little contrast, the round "thing" which appeared to be a hole in the ground suddenly became tree dimensional and it wasn't on the ground any more.
Maybe that happened to me because I await to see strange things on the moon. Nobody can explain why there are so much unusual things to see on the moon. It took me time to have a look. But when you free your mind of earthly molded concepts of architecture and technique you can expect the unexpected.

The basic question which initiated my whole search was simple: "How can there be STRAIGHT lines with thousands of miles in length going over the surface of the moon when it has been formed naturally?

That thought caught my attention. And than I had the nerve to zoom in. You can find unbelievable things on Moon and Mars! Some of them seem to be just a matter of pixel but some are not.
I can not post my own pictures but there is plenty to find on the ESA site under Mars rover and the lpi/nasa site from which I took this picture shows some astounding pictures taken on the Apollo missions. Further more did I find some unbelievable things in a book from 1969 explaining the first mission to the moon. It is full of hints. If you look at Nasa photos just forget the reference points they are giving. Turn them 180° and modify the contrast. There is plenty to see and the book is giving the key. In the official mission photo, near Buzz Aldrin's head they put in a little UFO. And what blew my mind, was a picture taken in space during Gemini missions. There you actually can see a gigantic hose leading from the surface of the earth through the atmosphere right into space. Clearly visible. I could send you the scanned photo if you like. By the way, google the "hornet" photos taken after they returned and have a look at their mission stickers they wear and compare them to the ones prior and during the mission.
By the way, I feel like Captain Kirk or Picard, regarding the fact, that we travel at unbelievable speed, following and circling the sun while she is traveling the galaxy at 225 km/s, this is nearly 5 billion miles away from the point we were one year ago. Exploring new territory in a vortices's way.


Dub
:dunce:
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:47 PM
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19. Apparently no-one told you...
Acid and Weed don't mix well....
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Dubiosus Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:34 AM
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20. Never tested that combination, :)
but doesn't matter at all.
Ever seen an UFO? Sure not! Otherwise you wouldn't talk that way.

Well, friends and I actually took photos! So nice when you have witnesses and
a camera on your side. No paranoia or madness involved!

And sure, your official reality is a hoax on so many levels, that it is not onto you
to tell me what is drug inflicted and what is real....


:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 06:38 PM
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18. I wish I could send this to the Greatest.
So much crap get sent there.
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