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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 05:29 PM
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Insects are Crustaceans
The phylogeny of arthropods has always been messy. One reason is that studies trying to discern their evolutionary relationships often use too few taxa (this is, after all, the most species-rich of all animal groups), and, especially, too few genes. Conclusions have been based, for example on only 18S and 28S rRNA and mtDNA (the latter is, of course, effectively one gene). And this has led to conflicting conclusions, some of which contravene morphologically-based systematics.
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Now, a new paper in Nature by Regier et al. has come up with a near-definitive family tree of arthropods that resolves many of the questions that arose from studies using lesser resolution. In their work, Regier et al. used many arthropod species (75, to be exact), and 62 single-copy genes that were orthologous in species from flies to humans. This is a huge genetic sample, allowing for a good, well-supported tree based on 41 kilobases of DNA sequence.

We needn’t go into the messy details, but there are three quite important findings.

1. Insects (“Hexapoda”) are not a sister group of crustaceans, as was indicated by some molecular studies. Nor are they the sister group of myriapods, the traditional arrangement supported by morphology. Instead, insects are nested within crustaceans (see Figure 1). In the same sense that birds are dinosaurs, then, insects are crustaceans.

2. The sister group of insects within crustaceans comprises two rather obscure taxa that were long thought to be primitive: the cephalocarids and the remipedes. Regier et al., however, find these two groups (see below) belong to the monophyletic clade called Xenocarida. Their “primitiveness” is thus deceptive. Now the fact that some crustaceans, like the Xenocarida, are more closely related to insects than to other crustaceans means that the group “Crustacea” is paraphyletic, since, by not including insects, it doesn’t include all descendants of the common ancestor. If we want to be punctilious taxonomists, we’d have to dump the name “Crustacea”, or else reclassify insects as crustaceans.
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http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/insects-are-crustaceans-2/
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 05:42 PM
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1. That's why I don't like to eat crustaceans!
I've always said they remind me too much of bugs...
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 06:14 PM
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5. Don't knock bugs until you've tried them
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damyank913 Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 08:47 AM
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7. You're creepin me out man.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 12:07 PM
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11. you should always eat the Crust
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IADEMO2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 05:58 PM
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2. I know I will sleep better tonight. Thank You
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 05:58 PM
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3. I've always felt it was
the other way around. Crustaceans are a lot like bugs, sea bugs but bugs nonetheless. Of course, they're scientists and I'm not so I'll take their word for it.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 06:09 PM
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4. Look at it this way:
Everything came from the sea. Very few things (whales, dolphins and manatees) went back to it. It just makes sense.

Now they need to find out what those first creepy-crawlies looked like, and we'll have a whole new generation of sci-fi monsters.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:36 AM
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6. Sea snakes are also air breathing.. n/t
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 06:50 PM
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10. And that may be what points out the difference
While some arthropods, vertebrates and molluscs (eg snails) have managed to develop into air breathing animals to live on the land, are there any lineages that have gone back to the water and become water-breathing? Or have they all retained air-breathing? I think it's the latter - there are some amphibians which have gills all through their life, but I think that's a matter of retaining the water-breathing capability that juvenile amphibians have always had.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:03 AM
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8. Sea Scorpions are quite fun, and quite early
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAqIfjKqkCo

The BBC made a 'recreational documentary' imagining what they were like.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/11/071121-giant-scorpion.html

The largest had 18 inch claws, and was perhaps 8 feet long.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:29 PM
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9. Definitely worthy of their own starring role. n/t
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