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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:48 AM
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We don't understand how Octopi think...
(I didn't like the title and the real point of the article is that they think differently than we do)

12:32 12 March 2010 by Shanta Barley

Octopuses make for discerning TV viewers: it seems they prefer high-definition to traditional cathode ray images (CRT). What's more, the first study using video to trick octopuses, finds that they may be the Jekyll and Hydes of the oceans: aggressive one day, shrinking violets the next.

"People have been trying for over a decade to get proper behavioural responses from octopuses and other cephalopods using videos," says Roger Hanlon, an octopus researcher at the Marine Resources Center, Woods Hole, Massachusetts, who was not involved in the study. "But this is the first time anyone has managed it."

Gloomy octopuses (Octopus tetricus) reacted to films shown on liquid crystal high definition television (HDTV) as if they were seeing the real thing, according to a new study by Renata Pronk at Macquarie University in Sydney, Australia, and colleagues. "They lunge forwards to attack crabs and back off from other octopuses, much as they do in the wild," says Hanlon.

Surprisingly, an octopus that was bold, aggressive and exploratory on one day was just as likely to be shy, submissive and stationary the next. "This suggests that the gloomy octopus does not have personality," writes Pronk in the new study.

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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18640-hdtv-reveals-brainy-octopus-has-no-personality.html
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:50 AM
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1. I don't understand how "bold and exploratory" on one day and "shy and submissive" on the next day
means that the octopus doesn't have a personality.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:52 AM
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2. it might suggest they have moods, actually...
n/t
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:53 AM
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3. Right, that's what I was thinking. And "moods," to me, suggests "personality."
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 11:25 AM
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5. Moods like: Stop making me watch lousy TV and get me some tasty crab!
Edited on Fri Mar-12-10 11:26 AM by MUAD_DIB
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 11:29 AM
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6. Haaa! Totally.
"WTF is this two-dimensional crab shit? Where the hell is my food? DON'T MAKE ME UNSCREW THE PLUG OF THE NEXT TANK OVER!"
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 11:23 AM
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4. That kind of behavior could describe humanity as well.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 02:29 PM
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9. When I was in vet school they tried to teach us that dogs and cats don't
have emotions. The whole class snickered and rolled their eyes.

Of course, this was nearly 30 years ago. Maybe the research dudes are a bit more enlightened now.

Anybody who has ever allowed one cat on their lap while another had to sit off to the side knows that they can experience jealousy at the very least. Those narrowed eyes.......
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 12:07 PM
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7. We may not understand how they think. But we know they do it very well.
Screw top jars are no barrier to them.
One learned to use it's siphon to shatter the hot glass of a bright light that anoyed it.
Some species disguise themselves as flounder.
Others carry coconut shells around for defence.
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ejbrush Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 10:33 PM
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8. I, for one, welcome our new mollusk overlords.
n/t
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