Extreme Geneology - DNA test tells where your family was 40,000 yrs. ago

[Dover]

Extreme genealogy
By Megan Lane
BBC News Magazine

A family tree researched by conventional methods can only go back so far before patchy records stymie progress. Now amateur genealogists are turning to DNA testing to trace their ancestry. But how much can this tell us about where we come from?

My family tree is rooted in Scotland, as far back as my mother has managed to trace the branches. But having reached the early 1800s, the trail has gone cold. There are blanks, dead-ends and inconsistencies thanks to lost, absent or incomplete written records.

It's a frustration shared with amateur genealogists the world over. But a record that can never be lost or incomplete is now available to those who wonder "where do I come from?" - their DNA. Thanks to recent breakthroughs in genetic testing, scientists claim they can trace our origins back tens of thousands of years - for a price.

US firms such as Family Tree DNA and DNAPrint Genomics will tell you if you are related to Native Americans and other racial groups. And in the UK, several operators offer a range of DNA services for ancestry research.

For about £180, the scientists at Oxford Ancestors will trace ancient maternal ancestry by testing mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), which is passed down from mother to child and changes little over time. It is this test which I have taken...cont'd

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4559253.stm

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1. dna trace roots!

Very interesting post Dover. Thankyou.

Do you think this will reslove back to the original 12 tribes of Israel? Just something to ponder.. Appreciate your post.

[Maple]

4. The 12 tribes of.......??

Good grief no!

The world existed long before any 12 tribes of anywhere.

[Dover]

5. You're welcome.........and WELCOME to the extreme Underground!

Hope you enjoy your stay.:hi:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

7. Gee....it might even go back to the original humans....

...who walked the earth long before anyone from the so-called "12 tribes of Israel".

Just something to ponder.

[Itchinjim]

2. Cool.

n/t

[NAO]

3. The world has only existed for 6009 years, dumb ass.

God started creating the world on Monday January 1, 4004 B.C., at about 9:00 in the morning. Everybody knows that. It says so in the Bible.

40,000 years ago we were all just glimmers in God's omnipotence.

[DELUSIONAL]

6. 7 EVES -- we are all descendants of one of these eves

That means that each of us has a direct maternal line to one of 7 women.

For males there is also DNA research which traces the male to male to male to male line.

There's a book on the subject -- the 7 Eves.

For women that means that your mother's mother's mother's mother's (etc) goes back in an unbroken line to a foundation eve. Our genealogy is the the mtDNA.

It is also ironic that in our western culture -- we carry our father's surname -- but our mother gives us our real linage. For Genealogists -- searching for the unknown female who exists but there is no written record of her existence -- is a royal pain in the butt.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

8. "7 eves"??? Oh, boy...not even going to touch this one.

[DELUSIONAL]

10. Read the book!!!

And if you think LOGICALLY --

Everyone has one direct female line --

just do a google the subject -- but read the book.

Of course for wingnuts -- they believe the following mythology: the earth is only 6,000 years old and there is only one Eve -- and SHE came from the rib of Adam. And for anyone who can believe such rubbish -- well no wonder they believe anything that their boy bushie says.

The Seven Daughters of Eve
by Bryan Sykes

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393323145/qid=1117931477/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-6450184-1438554


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Editorial Reviews
From Publishers Weekly
"A traveler from an antique land... lives within us all," claims Sykes, a professor of genetics at Oxford. This unique traveler is mitochondrial DNA, and, as this provocative account illustrates, it can help scientists and archeologists piece together the history of the human race. Mitochondrial DNA is present in every cell in the body, and it remains virtually unchanged (aside from random mutations) as it passes from mother to daughter. By quantifying and analyzing the mutations of this relatively stable circle of DNA, Sykes has solved some of the hottest debates about human origins. For example, he clarified a long-running debate among anthropologists over the original inhabitants of the Cook Islands. After retrieving mitochondrial DNA samples from the island natives, Sykes concluded that the natives emigrated from Asia, not America, as many Western anthropologists had contended. In a similar manner, Sykes analyzed samples from native Europeans to determine that modern humans are not at all related to Neanderthals. The book's most complex and controversial find that the ancient European hunter-gatherers predominated over the farmers and not vice versa leads Sykes to another stunning conclusion: by chance, nearly all modern Europeans are descendants of one of seven "clan mothers" who lived at different times during the Ice Age. Drawing upon archeological and climatic records, Sykes spins seven informative and gracefully imagined tales of how these "daughters of Eve" eked out a living on the frozen plains. (July 9)Forecast: Sykes is a bit of a celebrity geneticist, as he was involved in identifying the remains of the last Romanovs. This fame, plus his startling conclusions augmented by a five-city tour should generate publicity and sales among science, archeology and genealogy buffs.

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11. Personally, I don't believe anything the rightwingers tell me...

...and I don't believe anything that has not been proven to be 100% accurate.

If you want to believe the "clan mothers" fable, feel free...but IMHO, it sounds more like the "Aryan super-race" nonsense.

[Xithras]

12. There's no nonsense about it

The human family tree really does resemble a tree, and basic Darwinism (and the archaelogical record) shows us that our evolution was driven by branching. One small group branches off from another, and becomes a seperate species.

Species do not "evolve" as a group, but instead spawn subgroups that evolve while the parent group dies off or continues unchanged. It's only natural many of those subgroups would have a common parent. Thus, our DNA shows us clearly that most humans are descended from a handful of women. They lived at different times, but it was THEIR genes that have propogated and flourished, while others died off.

Nothing Aryan about it...it's simple Darwinism. It's lost in our DNA at this point, but it's a scientific fact that at some point there WAS a single individual who branched off of another group or tribe of protohumans and founded his own line, which eventually became humanity. He's the biological Adam. One or more of his mates would have spawned children with DNA that survived into modern humans, making her the ONE biological eve. We may never know when they existed, but it's trivial to work out that they must have.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

13. Right. Whatever you say.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. Here are three of the genealogical DNA websites.....

Family Search DNA
<http://www.familytreedna.com/>

Press Release: 2nd International Conference on Genetic Genealogy
for Family Tree DNA Group Administrators
<http://www.familytreedna.com/conference_PR2.html>

YSearch
<http://www.ysearch.org/?uid=>