Tesla or Edison?

[Ichingcarpenter]

Tesla wanted to make energy or electricity free to the public in his Tesla tower ( Wardenclyffe)
Tesla intended for the tower to demonstrate how electrical energy could be transmitted without the need for power lines. A story has arisen that the power consumption could not be metered and Morgan, who could not foresee any financial gain from providing free electricity to everyone, balked. Construction costs eventually exceeded the money provided by Morgan, and additional financiers were reluctant to come forward. (Tesla's other major financier was John Jacob Astor.) By July 1904, Morgan (and the other investors) finally decided they would not provide any additional financing. Morgan also discouraged other investors from backing the project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower

Imagine what could have been.


Edison killed an elephant to prove Tesla wrong on Alternative current and
liked making money and stole the ideas from his lab technicians as his own.


Who was greater....... Tesla or Edison


Discuss even the economic and the political implications.

I know even now that 'free energy' is considered a' conspiracy theory'
by capitalist.

Energy now for the most part is produced by the explosion vs implosion.


Tesla's theories favor implosion.


typed on my ipod touch...... I need an ipad being old to be more lucid in this post.

[Oregone]

1. For more information, this video illustrates this entire issue:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ef668caf14/drunk-history-vol-6-w-john-c-reilly-crispin-glover">History of Tesla

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. Smart Ass........LOL

Funny and I died.

[tridim]

2. Tesla was greater by a mile, but I'm not a fan of his wireless plan.

High radiation everywhere is not good for anyone's health.

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. High radiation care to explain?

Are you posting on your cell phone?


Resonant energy transfer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_energy_transfer

[tridim]

8. I don't own a cellphone because I don't want brain cancer.

His idea might have worked in his day, but I'm thinking about it in a modern implementation. Read, millions of customers and thousands of transmission towers.

Birds would be the most affected, followed by airplanes, satellite communications, all deep space communications, etc, etc.

[Ichingcarpenter]

12. Oh.. really?

Care to explain your Science?

[tridim]

15. No.

I'll just say I don't think sticking your head in a running microwave oven is a good idea.

[Ichingcarpenter]

17. Why do you post in the Science forum?

Sounds like you already reached Avidyā

[Orrex]

28. Well, that would certainly take care of people who think that cell phones cause brain cancer

:eyes:

[HysteryDiagnosis]

26. We need to cancel all of the lightning while we are at it... never

know what could happen.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

5. By default, Edison is greater.

The phrase "may the best man" about sums it up.
Edison won so, as a whole he was greater.

[Oregone]

6. On his own accord?

Or because he was more concerned with technologies that fit the capitalistic model better? If simply appeasing capitalism, and benefiting from it, makes one "greater", doesn't seem like the best definition of greatness (especially in the scientific context)

[Ichingcarpenter]

7. Oh.... that's so high school

Do you know that Carl Sagan said that if the pre-Socratic philosophers who used the scientific method and discovered atoms and that air had substance and came way before Plato and Aristotle had won


We would be visiting the stars right now?

Sagan......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BZb0lKQvNs

[Ichingcarpenter]

10. So what technologies are you using now? Tesla or Edison

you should have voted ...... I'm not well read

[SidDithers]

9. Drunk History version of the rivalry...

for those who've never seen Derek Waters' Drunk History, they're short vignettes where a writer or comedian gets hammered, then narrates story of an historical incident or person. The narration is voiced-over prominent actors playing the parts of the principals in the story. Funny stuff.

Here's the Tesla vs Edison short, featuring John C Reilly as Tesla, and Crispin Glover as Edison.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwI1Xpwhyi8

Edit: note, some graphic content - Duncan Trussell does puke at one point of the story :)

Sid

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. It was already posted way before you

You add nothing

[SidDithers]

14. Then my meaningless post is a perfect reply to your meaningless poll...

seems entirely appropriate.

Sid

[tridim]

16. Heh, I was wondering what Crispin Glover has been up to lately.

He seems to disappear for extended periods quite often.

[SidDithers]

19. I think his appearance on Letterman almost killed his career...

that was one freaky-ass interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dYjdKbMT_c&feature=related

Sid

[tridim]

20. I actually bought his record because of that appearance

I thought the whole thing was brilliant, unlike Joaquin Phoenix' copycat attempt a few years ago.

The album pretty much sucked, but it was strange enough to at least be interesting. It was done by Barnes and Barnes, of "fish heads" fame, Billy Mumy, etc.

[Ichingcarpenter]

22. Highjacked thread by the real Science guys.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Don't like the thread?



Just highjack it with you TV comedy shows.

[frylock]

23. hot tub time machine

[El Supremo]

11. Genius >>

[midnight]

18. Not sure what implosion means, but I support Telsa's

idea to provide free energy.

[Ichingcarpenter]

21. implosion energy vs explosion energy

explosion energy:

coal burning, natural gas or oil burning, present nuclear technology


Implosion energy:

cold water fusion, solar, wind hydro and geomagnetic understanding
and use of the huge natural electrical energy available on this planet that you can
see at night in the aurora borealis and other parts of nature that naturally create
electrical/magnetic fields of power.

Now I need to make another potato battery for my class. LOL!!!

There are scientific advances coming and are her to solve our problems but the corporate/ capitalist world does not like them.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. What do solar, wind, and hydro power have to do with implosions?

Or even imaginary things like "cold water fusion?"

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. Tesla was a bigot and a kook.

Edison may have also been bigot, I don't know, but at least he wasn'ta kook.

[Fumesucker]

27. Many brilliant people are beyond the norm psychologically..

It really comes with the territory to a big extent.

[Orrex]

29. I've always found that to be a cop-out

Newton was one of the biggest jerks in the history of humanity, cruel and petty and vindictive.

That doesn't change the brilliance of his work, obviously, but neither does his brilliance give him a pass, either.



A smart asshole is still an asshole.

[Fumesucker]

31. Personally I think Edison was a bigger jerk than Tesla..

It pretty much takes being an asshole to be really successful at business, Edison was a very successful businessman, Tesla died broke.

[Orrex]

32. Oh, I wouldn't excuse Edison either.

He may have been a successful asshole, but he was still an asshole.


My objection is when people are too quick too offer up some person's genius or creativity or "artistic temperament" as an excuse for why that person is an asshole. I'm not saying that you've done that here, but it's a common sentiment on DU, and there's no shortage of Tesla-worship sites on the internet.

There's nothing wrong with calling an asshole an asshole.

[Fumesucker]

33. I didn't mean it as an excuse..

More as simply an observation of human nature, just like most people with Down Syndrome are sweet and nice, many brilliant people are just the opposite.

[Orrex]

30. Tesla has more of a cult following, that's for sure

He's the go-to guy whenever somebody wants to imply that "secret truths" are being suppressed by moneyed interests, for instance.