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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 07:54 AM Original message |
Galileo Redux: The Catholic Church examines evolution in terms of dogma. |
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RPM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
1. yep - the church is so good at science... |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
2. This is Natures way of spreading life throughout the Universe. |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
3. OMG. My Catholic schools taught evolution & Christianity were compatible |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-05 03:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
40. And they most likely still will teach that. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. No need to get upset. The headline suggests |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Science is atheistic. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 04:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Science is not atheistic. Atheism is |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Atheism is |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Circular reasoning much? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 04:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 07:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-05 08:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
42. "If science were in fact" |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
45. What a hilarious irony! |
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Kraklen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 06:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I'm not sure what you're getting at, Mr. Marx. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-05 07:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. "God (as it were) "... Nice one! |
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Kraklen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-19-05 07:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Darwin died an agnostic. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-05 07:53 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I'm not sure that Darwin was ever |
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Kraklen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-05 11:13 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. His theory had no anti-theistic implications. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-05 06:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Yes, we are naturally prone |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #57 |
69. And YOU complain about repetition of urban myths????? |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. "He was quite a pious Christian in his youth, |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. "This is repetition of the urban myth |
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Emperor_Norton_II (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-05 10:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I don't really have a dog in this fight, I'd just like to point out... |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 03:01 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. The very idea that "anyone may edit" makes Wikipedia useless |
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Kraklen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-05 04:06 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Well if you'd like to pick nits... |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-05 09:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
50. wrong |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-05 10:34 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. No, you are wrong and this has been explained to you more than once. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 05:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Atheism is NOT the conviction there are no gods. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Split hairs much? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 07:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Little trouble with the definition again ? |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-05 11:44 AM Response to Reply #26 |
70. The problem is that the accepted definition isn't evil enough. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-05 12:18 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Yes, it is the polar opposite of "christian" |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 08:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. "you can hardly expect the rest of us to keep up |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 02:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
67. Sorry, you're wrong. |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-05 03:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
41. That's not entirely true... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-05 08:17 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. So I have to use a believer's definition ? |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 08:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. As an atheist and a scientist, I agree with this statement. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 08:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. The broad definition of atheism takes no position on god(s) either. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 03:24 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. And there you say "IMO" -- In My Opinion, but we all have opinions, |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 08:26 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Define god. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:22 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Thank you. I don't know why others are |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 08:30 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. I'm still waiting for those science textbooks |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Reminds me of Magellan's famous quote... |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Eh? I don't see the relationship between |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. If the cardinal suggested that it's "unscientific" to ignore the argument |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. It's only when a Pope speaks |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 07:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. I'll defend anyone's right to criticize anyone else's free speech. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 04:52 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Yes, if they |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
10. He also wrote this: |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
11. the dark ages |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 05:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. I doubt very seriously that the Roman Catholic Church |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 06:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. People expect more out of life nowdays... |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 06:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Sure, but the churches in London were packed on Sunday. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 07:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Who'll be better off ? |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 07:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Attempting to provide spiritual comfort is one thing... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
18. "His op-ed is no direct threat to biological science." |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 06:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I submit that his being wrong |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 07:52 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. This cardinal, however, is not a scientist. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 05:05 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. I know little about him except that he |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-05 03:36 AM Response to Original message |
39. Actually, this is a perfectly reasonable statement... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-05 02:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. I think he's saying randomization can never be the method for evolution |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. It seems to me that, if we accept that there is or may be |
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Kraklen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Evolution depends on random changes. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-05 08:19 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. That sentence I quoted is where I think he's trying to redefine science |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 03:08 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. There is a great deal of ideology in science, though. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-21-05 07:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. In my opinion accepting the "possibility" of ID is a waste of time. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 03:31 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. When you refer to "the retarded cardinal and other religious dolts," |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-05 05:41 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. You're misreading me. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-05 07:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
58. A very insightful and concise |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-20-05 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
55. I don't see why this matters. |
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