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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:29 AM
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It doesn't get much sicker than this...
In Texas, a mouse can kill a deer

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A Texas-based Web site is promising hunters worldwide the chance to shoot deer and antelope with the click of a mouse.

The service plans to expand soon to allow hunters in the comfort of their homes to kill live animals. Greg Stevens, a partner in the site, said it will appeal to disabled hunters who can't venture into the wild and those who can't afford a trip to Texas.

Stevens and his partner, John Lockwood, own about 330 acres in southwest Texas. They hope to erect a fence on the ranch and stock it with exotic animals -- aoudad sheep, blackbuck antelope, wild hogs, fallow deer -- for the shooting pleasure of online customers.

A supervisor will oversee the hunt to ensure the camera does not malfunction. The staffer will also finish the job if the hunter's bullet does not kill the animal. The carcass could then be stuffed by a taxidermist and mailed to the hunter.

Stevens estimates it will cost about $1,500 to shoot a blackbuck antelope online.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-mouse19.html
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magdalena Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:31 AM
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1. WTF is wrong with people???
You're right, doesn't get much sicker than that......
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:33 AM
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2. This is canned hunting at it WORSE...
...this should outrage "ethical" hunters too, right?
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:45 AM
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3. Yep.
Texas wildlife officials, animal rights groups and hunting associations are following their plans closely. Most hunters say the idea of virtual hunting is abhorrent, said Kirby Brown, executive vice president of the Texas Wildlife Association.

"It's not hunting," Brown said from San Antonio. "Hunting is an ethical experience that involves being there. You have to be a part of the sights, the sounds."

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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 01:40 PM
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4. The worst thing is what if the animal is only wounded?
Who is going to track it down and end its suffering?
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:11 PM
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5. The guy who owns this place said
He would finish off anything that was only wounded.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:10 PM
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6. But but...it's only for food!
:eyes:
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 07:36 PM
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7. GOD
this is sick! :puke: :mad: :grr: :nuke:
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 01:31 AM
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8. Mother of God, what the hell is wrong with people?!!
This has got to be about the sickest thing I have ever heard of!!!:grr:

Last night, on my way home, I spotted a full grown deer standing just a few feet from the edge of the road. Beautiful animal. I didn't know what to do, since it's a fairly well-traveled road. I hit the brakes and prepared to stop, not knowing which way the deer was going to go. I felt like getting out and standing guard. I live near the mountains and have occasionally seen deer before, but usually much later at night. I continued to go really slowly, in case there were more, and when I went to make my turn, the guy behind me raced past me, leaning on his horn. Evidently, he wanted me to know he was really pissed off and I jumped a mile and almost went off the road. Asshole.:grr:
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 06:24 AM
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9. I have found out through one of my animal rights groups
Edited on Sun Nov-21-04 06:25 AM by RebelOne
that it is quite possibly a hoax. Will post when I get more information.
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 09:25 AM
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10. NOT a hoax! This guy was on the Today show with Matt Lauer
Either Thursday or Friday.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 10:40 AM
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11. Letter to Matt Lauer from Merritt Clifton, Editor, Animal People
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:42:34 -0800
To: Today@NBC.com
From: Merritt Clifton <anmlpepl@whidbey.com>
Subject: Attn. Matt Lauer


Dear Matt:

Re the <www.live-shot.com> item, I have been running down the many loose ends on this for about 24 hours, and suspect you, Ray Sasser of the Dallas Morning News, Jeff Franks of Reuters, Texas Parks & Wildlife, and the Humane Society of the U.S. and Fund for Animals all got suckered.

All any of you have done so far by way of verification is talk with one guy who claims to have developed this hunt-by-remote system.

No one has actually verified, as yet, that he even is who he claims to be, let alone that he has the land, has the animals, has the technology--hell, if he did, why is he working as a body shop estimator, instead of making six figures plus as a designer of advanced weapons systems?

The whole thing looks and smells to me remarkably like another of the many hoaxes perpetrated over the years by Joey Skaggs of Greenwich Village, including bogus reports amplified by many news media about an alleged brothel for dogs in New York City, and a Korean dog meat dealer buying dogs from U.S. pounds.

Skaggs teaches classes in how to pull off media hoaxes, and has several active imitators, whose most infamous hoax is something called "Bonsai kittens."

Skaggs also has a huge web site boasting about all the many dozens of times he has suckered mass media: www.joeyskaggs.com.

This stuff often uses bogus web sites.

Specific questions--

1) Did you verify the name and identity of the purported developer of this hunt--by-computer project? I notice that he went from being "John Lockwood" in Sasser's report to being "John Underwood" in the Reuters report by Jeff Franks. There is no listed "John Lockwood" in San Antonio, and neither of the two John Underwoods has acknowledged involvement, so far.

2) Did you verify that this fellow actually has some land somewhere with some animals on it? There is neither a John Lockwood nor a John Underwood in Rocksprings.

3) Did you verify the web site? According to <www.WhoIs.com>, the web address <www.live-shot.com> was still unassigned, as of yesterday afternoon. What you see when you "go" there may be some sort of mirror site, mounted from outside the U.S.

The claims that you, Sasser, and Jeff Franks have amplified, and that HSUS and the Fund for Animals have fallen for, are postulating that "a body shop estimator for a car dealership" has developed a remote-control computerized weapons system more advanced than anything the U.S. has in Fallujah, capable of sending and receiving signals across half of Texas in time for someone to verify target, aim, and fire before the target moves.

Think about this: if your computer signal travels at the speed of sound, 350 miles from the remote gun to the shooter, and back again to pull the trigger, how long does the target have to move?

One minute.

How far can a deer move in one minute?

Half a mile or more.

It would take extremely advanced fibre optics to make this even distantly possible.

(Photographing wildlife by remote works because the camera continuously records a scene. All the photographer actually does is select which frame he/she wants to retrieve from the continuous log.)

John Lockwood, if he really is who he says he is, is either pulling a hoax or pulling a scam.

The closest thing to what he claims to have that exists in the U.S. military arsenal involves a "smart" cruise missile tailed by a guide plane flying at approximately the same speed, only seconds behind the missile flight path. Cost: a few billion bucks. Development time: 20-odd years.

Check it out.

Cheers,

Merritt Clifton
Editor, ANIMAL PEOPLE
P.O. Box 960
Clinton, WA 98236

Telephone: 360-579-2505
Fax: 360-579-2575
E-mail: anmlpepl@whidbey.com
Web: www.animalpeoplenews.org



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LibLabUK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 07:10 AM
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12. Hmm
"if your computer signal travels at the speed of sound"

For what reason would 'computer signals' travel at the speed of sound?

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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:59 AM
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15. Sounds like a hoax
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 01:06 AM by RandomUser
I think RebelOne is right. This reeks of Skaggs's handiwork. Just because you've seen it on the News and interviews doesn't mean it's true. I remember seeing Skaggs's work before on my local news, complete with video footage and interviews -- the media was completely fooled (it was the FatSquad thing purportedly being started in Japan).

Edit: here's a link to a good article about Skaggs and his handiwork. http://www.bostonphoenix.com/alt1/archive/news/MERRY_PRANKSTER.html
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 06:18 AM
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13. I found this in my HSUS newsletter
It's not only true, but appalling.:-(

http://www.hsus.org/ace/21749
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:14 AM
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14. Please read the letter above.
Then click on the link to Skaggs' Web site within the letter. You will see that he is an expert at hoaxes.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 08:17 AM
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16. Yes, I did
I guess what you're telling me is that The Humane Society and Reuters, who they got this story from, were both hoaxed. What a stupid waste.:-(
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:21 AM
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17. And I also watched "The Daily Show" last night
They had a segment on this practice and it seemed very real to me. I know that it's "fake news," but this segment wasn't. Catch it, tomorrow, at 7pm, ET, on Comedy Central.:-(
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