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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 03:54 PM
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Pane All'Olio ~ or ~ Italian Olive Oil Bread ~ the lazy way (no knead-ish)
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 04:15 PM by Lucinda
Makes One Loaf
This was a nice moist loaf that we think would make good pizza dough too.









* DISCLAIMER ~ Bill loved this, and I could only taste it evey three or four bites and I thought it was pretty good. I DID think it needed more salt, but I'm sick, and cant taste much, so, what do I know? But Bill agreed. So you might want to increase the salt a little. I will next time. However, he may have just been humoring me because I was sick? Anyway, I'd increase the salt. :P

Soooo....The recipe:

Biga:
1 cup lukewarm water
1 teaspoon active dry yeast
1 1/2 cup White Lily Bread flour

Bread:
Biga
2c bread flour
1 cup water
1 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon sugar
1/2 tablespoon Italian Seasoning (or to taste - or just leave out entirely)
1/4 Olive Oil - plus a little extra to brush on before baking


Mix biga ingredients and cover - store in warm place - 5 hours*

Mix biga (five hours later) with the rest of ingredients, cover and let rise 2 hours, then stick in the fridge and chill overnight. I did sort of fold it over itself a few times in the bowl, but I didn't knead it. Just sort of worked it a tad bit.

When ready to bake:
Remove from fridge. I did sort of fold it over itself a few times in the bowl again, but I didn't knead it. Just sort of worked it a tad bit. Shape into loaf and let rise apx 1 hour (longer is fine, mine went two) Preheat oven to 500 degrees.

Just before baking, brush crust lightly with extra olive oil. Put into covered pan, reduce heat and bake at 425 apx 40 minutes, uncover and brown (about another 10 minutes)


* You could easily mix the biga in the morning, go to work and let it sit for the day, come home, add the rest of the ingredients, let it rise before bed, chuck it in the fridge, and then bake it the next day.


'Scuse the mess in the background. I just noticed it. :eyes:
We had a leak in the dishwasher line and I hadn't put stuff back in the sink cabinet before I shot the pic. LOL



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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:07 PM
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1. I just realized a new use for my brand new razor-sharp Wusthof paring knife:
I can use it to slash my rustic bread loaves!!!!!

You have to understand none of my other knives did a very neat job of this so I quit trying some time ago. But the new knife will do a great job, I'm sure. I'm gonna have to be REAL careful with it - maybe I'll give it a test run on a cucumber tonight.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:09 PM
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2. That's a great use for it!
I use a sharp little serrated paring knife that I never use for anything else. It finally has a job!
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 06:31 AM
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17. A serrated knife works the best.
I've tried them all and this really does the job. Also, you need to cut quickly and with a small amount of force. For a long time I was always afraid of causing detrimental harm to the dough.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:32 PM
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3. That is just gorgeous!
Did you bake it in that Le Cloche thingy you bought?

When you say "put in covered pan" is the pan pre-heated too, a la NYT bread or no?
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:39 PM
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4. Yep. In the La Cloche. Oven preheated, pan cold. Any covered baker will work though
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 05:40 PM by Lucinda
The research that I did said that a cold pan and lid, coming up to temperature in the hot oven, would allow the bread to rise higher since the yeast doesn't die off as fast as it would in a preheated pot. It seems that way with my experience.

Some say the pre-heated pans are better for a crackly crust, but I don't notice any appreciable difference between cold and hot pans as far as crust crispiness is concerned...
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:54 PM
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5. Gorgeous! Questions
What is the advantage of biga method?

Why White Lily flour? (not available in my area)

Can a double batch be mixed and kept in fridge for later baking as in Ain5?
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 06:42 PM
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6. I think the advantage of the biga is supposed to be the slower yeast development
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 06:43 PM by Lucinda
which adds to the overall flavor, and the wet dough method which makes moister bread.

I used White Lily Bread flour in this because it makes a finer crumb than the other brands that I can get locally (Gold Medal and King Arthur) but I think it would be just fine with any bread flour.

I know you can make double batches of biga and freeze half. I think you could probably bake on a second day, but I don't know if it would work if you went much longer than that. I took elements from a few different no-knead recipes and techniques to make this one. So I'm still winging the details a bit. :)


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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 08:40 PM
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12. Thanks. Looks like White Lily = Bread flour.
I have only used AP, but intend to try Bread Flour next.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:14 PM
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13. White Lily makes a full line of flours. I like their AP for shortbread.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 09:17 PM by Lucinda
And for Ain5. Their bread flour works well for the biga recipes and makes a fluffier version of Ain5.

I think the best thing is probably a little trial and error with the brands you have access to...the differences can be pretty amazing.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 07:20 PM
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9. According to the Cookwise book
by Shirley Corriher, she says that wheat grown in different parts of the country differ in the amounts of protein content. If I recall correctly, she said that Lily White, which I think is only available in the southeast, has the highest protein content. A higher protein content is best for bread. She said the labels aren't exactly accurate as to the percentage of protein since labeling regulations allow them to round up or down, but cake flour has the least and bread flour has the most.

I'm going on my memory here, which ain't all the great. Housewolf will have to confirm this for me. She's the baking queen in these parts. :hi:
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 10:19 PM
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14. In general, southern flours like While Lily are ground from a softer wheat
and have a lower protein content than the hard wheats that grown in places like Montana and Canada.

White Lily does produce a bread flour - however I've never used it so I can't comment on how it stands up against King Arthur's Bread Flour or other bread flours milled from hard winter wheats of northern areas. It's difficult determining the protein content and type of wheat that any flour actualy is made from. Sometimes you can call the miller and they will give you information, but oftentimes not, and the information on a package is misleading. If you see a protein content of 4 gms per 1/4 cup (30 grams) serving, it's a bread flour. 3 Gms per 1/4 cup (30 grams is an all-purpose flour. However, the percentages are rounded off and a 1/4 cup of flour may actully weigh more or less than 30 grams. It's a labelling system not set up for bakers who want information and precision in their work, that's for sure.

Lucinda seems to be real happy with the breads she's making from White Lily flour, whether it's their all purpose or their bread flour, and that's what really matters.



:hi:


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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 06:47 AM
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18. See, I told you my memory wasn't good. LOL
I knew you would have the answer. :hi:
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 09:57 PM
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24. LOL!!! Flour!!1
People study flour for YEARS trying to figure it all out! It's an incredible subject to study.

Thankfully, it's so versitile you only need to know a little to create wonders from your kitchen with it...




:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:


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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 06:51 PM
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7. Lucinda! That is gorgeous!
You seem to have a real knack for this! :thumbsup:

I want a loaf of white bread. :cry:
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 07:08 PM
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8. Thankie! What about baking a loaf of wheat AND one of white at the same time?
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 07:09 PM by Lucinda
If you have a big turkey roaster you could bake two boules at the same time with the covered method, or just do them open on a cookie sheet?


You say "knack" ~ I say addiction. I AM having lot of fun with it! :rofl:
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 07:21 PM
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10. I usually don't mix up more than
one batch of bread at a time. We don't need to eat too much bread and room in the fridge is limited, too.

And, yes, I would agree with your assessment that this has rolled on over into addiction stage. LOL

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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 08:15 PM
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11. Yep. I AM an addict.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 08:25 PM by Lucinda
Pure and simple. :rofl:

BTW - if you did a small white loaf with the same day method, you wouldn't have to chill a big bowl of dough.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 12:25 AM
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15. That's beautiful!
I'm drooling.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 12:39 AM
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16. Thanks! And soooo easy to do.
If I'd known it was this easy I would have made bread a LOT sooner. LOL
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 08:03 AM
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19. Gorgeous photo! The dough would make a nice focaccia. nt
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 10:59 AM
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21. I didn't even think about a focaccia! I think it really would.
:hi:
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Blues Heron Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 08:43 AM
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20. Look at that beautiful crust!
Very nice bread! Nice baking Lucinda! :) I am definitely going to try the olio next time around with the Ain5
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 11:05 AM
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22. For the longest time, I wasn't a big Olive Oil fan
I'd been trying all the different imports over the span of a year or so for our homemade pizzas - I didn't use a lot of EVOO then so a little bottle lasted forever - anyway, Bill grabbed a bottle of the store label one day, and I LOVED it. So when I saw the All'Olio bread I wanted to try it next.

I'd love to hear how it works in the Ain5.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 08:37 PM
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23. Lucinda ?
What is the BIGA supposed to look like after a few hours?
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 10:47 PM
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25. Mine had grown, and was very wet.
Sorry. I can't find a pic, so I must not have shot the biga. :(

It was not quite as wet as this one:


And not as solid as normal rising dough. Sort of in the middle.


Are you making it? What does yours look like?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 10:53 PM
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26. yeah, I made it
It's now in the two hour rise before it goes in the fridge for the night.

Is this recipe for one loaf?
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 11:04 PM
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27. Yawp. Makes one large loaf.
What was your biga doing?
I'm getting nervous here. :)
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 12:19 AM
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28. I guess I was worried about the yeast dying
...'cuz it was so high and for five hours. It's almost time to put it in the fridge, now.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 01:11 AM
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31. I was a little concerned because I didn't notice anything too out of the ordinary when I made it.
Edited on Wed Feb-25-09 01:16 AM by Lucinda
And I was wondering what you were seeing in yours. I did fold it over on itself and deflate it a bit, but not much, as I mentioned in the OP.

How much did your biga grow by the end of the rise time?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 01:18 AM
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32. about double
Of course, the difference in our regional flour may give us totally different results!
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 01:21 AM
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33. Absolutely. And I did get quite a bit of rise with mine too
What kind of flour are you using? I only have a few options locally.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 01:28 AM
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34. something called Stone Buhr bread flour
It's a San Francisco based company. I have two bags to use up. I stockpiled some stuff last year and want to use it.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 01:34 AM
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35. It's cool that you have options beyond the normal grocery store stuff!
I'm really curious to see how your loaf turns out. I've been pretty foggy the last couple of days with this cold, but I did double check my recipe, and I think you should be fine. I was worried that I might have made a typo when you asked about the biga. :D

Did you use herbs in yours?



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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 02:34 AM
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36. some rosemary...
...and a bit of salt.

I'm a little worried about you getting sleep, Lucinda. :-)
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 02:52 AM
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37. I'm on my way to bed now. Had some work I had to finish up.
I could have easily fallen asleep in the shower just now. So I'm off to bed.
Hoping your loaf will be yummy!
Night!

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 12:38 AM
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29. see this other way of doing a biga
Edited on Wed Feb-25-09 12:39 AM by grasswire
From Sunset magazine, this biga gets an ice water treatment in order to retard the rising:

Chewy Italian bread begins with a biga - yeast-based starter
Sunset , May, 1996 by Elaine Johnson
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Creating a yeast-based starter is the first step in making artisan-style bread at home

Full of holes inside, often misshapen outside - you have to know these Italian breads to love them. But rip off a chunk, savor the complex wheat flavor and chewy texture, and you know why the West's artisan bakeries have created a huge following for the loaves. Breads of this style may be called pane pugliese, pane francese, ciabatta, or other names, but they all have three things in common: a yeast-based starter called a biga, a very wet dough, and a slow rise.

A biga is just flour, water, and a tiny amount of yeast stirred together several hours or a day before baking and allowed to ferment. Unlike a sourdough starter, which is replenished and kept going indefinitely, a biga is made fresh each time you bake (you can make enough for a couple of loaves and freeze the extra to use within two weeks).

Though a biga doesn't create a sour taste, it provides other benefits like those from a sourdough starter: well-developed flavor, moist texture, and good keeping quality.

The wet dough used to make this bread is responsible for its large, irregular holes and wonderfully chewy texture. The dough is so sticky you can't knead it on a board - you must use a food processor or a heavy-duty mixer.

Slowing down the rising process helps develop the bread's complex flavor and aroma. Professional bakers put dough in temperature-controlled retarders. At home, you use ice water in the dough to keep it cool, and let the dough rise at room temperature rather than in the warm spot recommended in most bread recipes.

For a classic Italian-style bread, try the basic recipe on page 156. For a nontraditional (and delicious) variation, add olive oil, a generous amount of basil, and tangy feta cheese.

Glenn Mitchell, owner of Grace Baking in Albany, California, helped us translate the bread-making process from the professional bakery to the home kitchen.

Italian Biga Bread

Cooking time: About 30 minutes

Prep time: 15 to 25 minutes, plus about 8 1/2 hours for rising

Notes: This recipe is best suited for a lazy weekend, but you can gear it to a weekday schedule. The biga can be made ahead and chilled or frozen, and the kneaded dough can rest in the refrigerator up to 24 hours before its first rise.

You can double or triple the biga for later baking (the biga will rise on the shorter end of the noted time). A baking stone (sold with gourmet cookware) makes the thickest, crispest crust, but you can use a large baking sheet.

Makes: 1 loaf: 1 pound, 7 ounces

1/2 cup lukewarm water 1 1/4 teaspoons (about 1/2 package) active dry yeast About 3 3/4 cups all-purpose flour 1 cup ice-cold water 2 teaspoons salt

1. Biga. In a bowl, combine 1/4 cup lukewarm water and 1/4 teaspoon yeast. Let stand until yeast is dissolved, about 5 minutes. With your hands, mix in 3/4 cup flour until evenly moistened; dough will be stiff. Gather into a ball, put in a glass measuring cup, wrap airtight, and let stand at room temperature until biga is bubbly and has tripled in volume, 3 to 5 hours. Use as directed below. (If making ahead, stir down biga after it rises, then chill airtight up to 2 days - stirring down once a day - or freeze up to 2 weeks; thaw to use.)

2. Mixing dough. In a small bowl, combine remaining 1/4 cup lukewarm water and 1 teaspoon yeast. Let stand until yeast is dissolved, about 5 minutes.

If using a food processor, whirl biga and 1/4 cup ice-cold water until smooth. Add yeast mixture, salt, and remaining 3/4 cup ice-cold water; pulse until blended. Add 2 3/4 cups flour; pulse until incorporated, then whirl until dough is very smooth and elastic, about 2 minutes. (If machine stops, wait a few minutes for motor to cool, then resume, or transfer to a bowl and beat by hand.) To test elasticity, stretch apart a 1-inch chunk of dough with your fingers, and hold it up to the light (see photo A); if it forms a thin sheet you can see through and doesn't shred apart, dough is ready. Dough will be very sticky.

If using a mixer with a dough hook, place biga in large bowl with 1/4 cup ice-cold water. Using paddle, mix on low speed until fairly smooth. Add yeast mixture, salt, and remaining 3/4 cup ice-cold water; mix until blended. Add 2 3/4 cups flour and beat on medium speed until well blended. Change to dough hook and beat on medium speed until very smooth and elastic, 12 to 14 minutes (see elasticity test above); dough will be very sticky.

3. First rise. Scrape dough into an oiled bowl (a 2-quart measuring cup is ideal). Wrap airtight and let stand at room temperature until tripled, about 3 hours. Or chill up to 24 hours, then let stand at room temperature until tripled, about 5 hours.

4. Shaping and final rise. Sprinkle a board with 3 tablespoons flour and scrape dough onto it. With floured hands, gently form a smooth log by first folding dough in half, then pinching a seam where halves join (photo B). Turn dough seam side down and gently pat into a 12- to 13-inch-long rectangle (photo C). Lightly sprinkle with flour. Cover loosely with plastic wrap and let stand on board until puffy, about 30 minutes.

5. While dough rises, place a 14- by 16-inch baking stone or 14- by 17-inch baking sheet in oven and set at 425 . Let heat at least 30 minutes.

6. Sprinkle a 14- by 17-inch baking sheet or piece of stiff cardboard with 2 tablespoons flour. Ease hands under dough, pick up, and as you transfer it to floured sheet, gently stretch it to 17 inches long. Shake floured sheet to slide dough diagonally onto hot stone or baking sheet (photo D).

7. Baking. Bake bread until deep golden, 30 to 35 minutes. Let loaf cool on a rack. Serve, store in a paper bag up to 1 day, or freeze. If a crisper crust is desired, place bread directly on rack of a 425 oven for about 5 minutes.

Feta and Basil Biga Bread

Follow recipe for Italian Biga Bread (at left) through step 2. Once dough meets the elasticity test, mix in until evenly distributed (in a separate mixing bowl if using food processor) 2 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil, 3/4 cup coarsely chopped fresh basil or 1/4 cup dried basil, and 1/2 cup crumbled sheep's milk feta cheese. Continue with steps 3 through 7. Makes 1 loaf: 1 pound, 13 ounces.

Per ounce: 75 cal., 19% (14 cal.) from fat; 2.1 g protein; 1.6 g fat (0.5 g sat.); 13 g carbo.; 178 mg sodium; 2.1 mg chol.

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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-09 01:07 AM
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30. Looks like that one is the traditional kneaded recipe, which I've never made before...
My recipe is a combo of no-knead recipes and techniques.

I don't know enough about traditional bread making to compare the steps of kneaded vs no-knead recipes. Ice cold water seems very weird to me. It seems, to me, like it would have been better for them to use less yeast to start with...? Maybe someone with experience in both types will chime in for us. :)
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