The Men Who Stare At Goats - now a movie w/George Clooney

[Shallah Kali]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats_%28film%29

http://www.themenwhostareatgoatsmovie.com

http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/themenwhostareatgoats

The book http://books.google.com/books?id=2htuO07UAUoC

disinfotainment or slyly revealing some truths amongst the comedy???

[MorningGlow]

1. David Wilcock talks about revealing truths in movies and TV

In his presentation The 2012 Enigma (it's on his site and on YouTube and Google Video), he talks about how lots of unbelievable advancements the scientific community (and different countries' governments) that have been made over the years have been revealed in popular movies and TV shows. I don't doubt it for a second.

So The Men Who Stare at Goats is supposed to be based on a true story, yes? Is that a TRUE true story or a fictional true story? I get so confused.

It was a funny trailer. And George Clooney and Ewan MacGregor to boot. I may have to see that, total fiction or not--! :)

[Shallah Kali]

2. yes it is based on the truth or at least what the author could dig up....

and chose to reveal. I haven't read it myself just remember reading about it when it came out. I had read years before of some attempts by the US gov to get into remote viewing and figured anything really good was likely to be revealed until they have something to top whatever it is lest a competitor copy 'em but maybe some juicy bits got in :shrug:

[MorningGlow]

3. Well, I do know that my former elder was approached by the government to be a gov't psychic

She passed their tests with flying colors but gave the "wrong" answer when they asked her if she would do anything--absolutely anything--for her country (even, it was assumed, if it meant that people would die). She said, "No way!" and foop--she was out. She was glad of it.

[Shallah Kali]

4. I have heard similar accounts

some knew they should avoid the recruiters.

[MorningGlow]

5. Yes

She did it on a lark--the gov't folks knew enough to approach young, impressionable college kids, before they got too savvy--and they appealed to her ego, but she smartened up before she actually signed up. Good thing too.

[arikara]

6. I read the book

and liked it.

In 1979 a secret unit was established by the most gifted minds within the U.S. Army. Defying all known accepted military practice -- and indeed, the laws of physics -- they believed that a soldier could adopt a cloak of invisibility, pass cleanly through walls, and, perhaps most chillingly, kill goats just by staring at them.

Entrusted with defending America from all known adversaries, they were the First Earth Battalion. And they really weren't joking. What's more, they're back and fighting the War on Terror.

With firsthand access to the leading players in the story, Ronson traces the evolution of these bizarre activities over the past three decades and shows how they are alive today within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and in postwar Iraq. Why are they blasting Iraqi prisoners of war with the theme tune to Barney the Purple Dinosaur? Why have 100 debleated goats been secretly placed inside the Special Forces Command Center at Fort Bragg, North Carolina? How was the U.S. military associated with the mysterious mass suicide of a strange cult from San Diego? The Men Who Stare at Goats answers these and many more questions.

His other book "Them" was good too.

[liberalmuse]

7. I've worked with people who were involved in Remote Viewing.

It is real. Uri Geller was actually a subject of experimentation. He worked through some of our national labs (right about now you are thinking I am nuts and making this shit up). They had to quit the experiments because the paranormal stuff was following these guys home to their families. You would not believe how many sane, intelligent, accredited, respectable people are perplexed and who continue to study the UFO and psychic phenomena. There are no real answers.

[Why Syzygy]

8. There is a companion

three part television series in the UK scheduled to air the first part of November.

There is an excerpt here (the site is a bit CT/NWO-ish - I think a connection with remote viewing to NWO is an irrational leap, YMMV):

http://www.dailymotion.com/channel/news/video/x5h5qh_crazy-rulers-of-the-nwo-the-men-who_news

A partial clip, but much clearer video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbXKuwzwfxE

youtube has many interviews with Ingo Swan, Joe McMoneagle and Stephan Schwartz who have all been involved with the experiments. None of them mentioned being "followed home" by any buggers. They do all relate ET manifestations. Ingo tells of a time he was RV'ing a submarine, and he drew a picture of a space ship in the water next to it. The interviewer said, that's not a UFO is it? Ingo said, yes it is. The officials gathered up all the papers and ended the RV right then and there. McMoneagle said the ETs have methods to block RV, but he has been able to sneak up on them briefly before he was discovered. The protocols in Stephan Schwartz's book explain timing to such things as sun spots and gravitational fluctuations. It has been studied in depth.

[Shallah Kali]

9. They undoubtedly know how to cut the connection with entities or tell/make 'em bug off

unlike newbie scientists who may not really believe it is real at first. Lots more anxiety and fear to feed the manifestation as well.

I will check out the clip soon. I have dial up so it takes forever to download anything and if I loose connection I have to start all over :banghead:

[Why Syzygy]

10. Bummer ..

Here's some stuff to read, if you want.
btw, I never got the impression they were dealing with creepy entities, unless they cross dimensions. I'm still absorbing everything I can on the topic.

Ingo Swan:
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/Superpowers.html
Sample:
Part Two
One of the earliest sources which refers to remote viewing --faculties-- is found in the Yoga teachings of ancient India, with echoes of them throughout the Far East.

There are also elements to be found in most early pre-Modern cultures in lower Africa, Egypt, Babylon, Scandinavia, among the Amerindians, among the ancient traditions of the Bushmen of Australia, in early Greece, among Siberian and Persian shamans, and among the Polynesian Islanders, including Hawaii. Elements of remote viewing were also found in early Europe before the Inquisitions of the Middle Ages. And elements of remote viewing again emerged early in the eighteenth through and into the twentieth centuries.
*
The hypothesis now to be considered is this: if the fundamentals of remote viewing exist within the hard drive of our species' Biomind then it is to be expected that elements of it WILL manifest. Indeed, such elements have manifested in the past, in the present, and will continue to do so into the indeterminate future. The formats of the manifesting may be different, but the essential nature of what does manifest is the same.
*

Joseph McMoneagle:
http://www.mceagle.com/remote-viewing/stargate/stargate-qa.html
Q&A re: "The Stargate Chronicles"


Stephan Schwartz (he has an interest in ancient history (alternative), and his RV has been geared to archaeological exploration):
http://www.stephanaschwartz.com/home.htm

Who needs video! :toast:

[Shallah Kali]

11. I have bumped into some creepy things so I focused on learning how to deal with 'em

not all creepy things intend to have negative effects. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the ufos thought no more of their activities morality than biologists darting and tracking a new species of animal. :shrug:

Remote viewing is similar to dowsing and one of my relatives married into a family where that talent still runs. They can find water and others can find other things. Some are sensitive to earth energies like leylines. One found a negative leyline on my family's home but didn't mention it in all the years we lived there for fear we would think he was weird until my Dad got cancer. He didn't know how to fix it so he called a friend who could move them and until he retired was hired to find oil and other things around the world. All he was given was our coordinates on a map and he went on to describe the layout of the house, where are well was, where the water veins were, and where the negative ley line was, confirming what the relative sensed. It ran right under where my Dad's arm chair sat. He moved it several times but it kept coming back so eventually I experimented and I believe it is gone. A family squabble separated that relative from those of us who refused to take sides so I can't ask him if what I did worked but I believe it has. Anyhoo it makes sense for such skills to exist even if not needed for life and death causes so much any more so I have no further need of proof than that family's accuracy at finding water for wells at the depth and speed they said it would be.

[Shallah Kali]

12. Colbert tries to burst goat's heart with mind - video

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/colbert-tries-to-burst-goats-heart-with-mind/

Comedy Central's Stephen Colbert attempted to utilize a 1979 U.S. military document called "The First Earth Battalion Manual," that strives to give soldiers "super human powers" to do things like kill goats with their minds.

Alongside Colbert Thursday night was Jon Ronson, the British author of "The Men Who Stare at Goats," which details a secret U.S. Army unit that used the directive to teach soldiers to tap into their psychic abilities.

The manual, Colbert reports, "promised to train soldiers to predict future events, read other people's thoughts, stop their own hearts, even bend spoons with their minds."

"How are you going to eat your hummus now Al Qaeda?," Colbert says. "Your spoon's all bent. Advantage: America!"

[MagickMuffin]

13. I was just about to post this ;=D

That was an interesting segment and funny all at the same time. Although, I wish Stephen would have let Jon talk a little more without interrupting him.

For those who might have missed it tune into the Colbert Report Monday 8:30, 1:00 CDST.

or catch it here, first segment of show.

http://www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=249048

[mother earth]

14. Has anyone seen the movie yet?

[Cleita]

15. One of my roommates back in the mid-sixties was a math wizard and

computer expert back when computers filled whole rooms and there were no microchips. She worked at Rand Corporation and had a top security clearance so most of what she worked on was classified. One night over some wine, she let it slip out that she was working on a top classified government study of UFOs. After swearing me to never repeat what she said, she never talked about it again. I guess enough time has passed that I can say that I was really intrigued and it spite of all the denials of government on this X-Files issue, the government were studying this and other esoteric ooga booga, etc. out there stuff.