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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 05:29 PM
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corporatethink vs. new paradigm

I finish my certification in HR mgmt this month,

and I haven't seen any jobs around here...(2 possibles, but one is over the mtn in carson and would not make up for the commute or snow driving in salary, and the other is over the mtn too, and I don't know the pay rate and is only 20 hrs a week..)

Now, I DO understand that the market is really bad right now, but I also have a problem with what I will do FOR a job...

I am really fed up with employers acting like you should be so grateful for them demeaning your humanity and stripping you of your bodily fluids and making sure you sign off any other rights before you even GET to the damn interview.
I'm pissed that a resume with over 15 years of experience isn't enough and they say that "any lapses of more than 60 days in employment MUST have written explanation" - AYFKM?
I hate the fact tht I need to make at least $17-20 per hour to support my children and be a single mom, and even THAT is cutting it close...but I should be 'happy' that I could even get offered $11(and rarely $12) just to start?

My mom says I have to learn to suck it up and be a team player because I have been bucking authority since I was a child and it doesn't help one "get ahead" in life...and yet this is exactly the attitude that keeps all the sheeple in line...

when is this paradigm going to change?

I have plenty of enlightened "projects" and people I would love to create and work with..BUT none of them have really mnaifested to the point of making money. I have pet projects that I think I could get off the ground with the right partners to help with some of the nuts & bolts. I would love to work in an industry that affects people...or heals the earth...

when is it going to HAPPEN? and :wtf: am I supposed to be DO-ing?

I don't wanna be in the place of dependence anymore, people... I just don't. At the same time I have grown accustomed to calling my own shots with freelancing and I don't know how to kow-tow very well. Not to mention my 'professionalism' is a little rusty, as is my language!

...just feeling useless and like a frustrated artist today. why doesn't anyone UNDERSTAND me...???:violin:
does anyone here get my drift?
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 05:39 PM
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1. I'm with you
I'm a lawyer and left the profession because essentially the judicial system exists to protect corporate interests.

There's got to be a better way. I'm looking for a job in the nonprofit sector because I want to work to protect people, not corporations.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 06:14 PM
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2. Totally :)

I totally get your drift. It's why I've been self-employed for, shoot....over 20 years now. I can't "do" corporate politics. I was in HR early on and saw the underbelly of the corporate world during the Reagan years...I couldn't do it.

I have been blessed to be able to make it, even as a single parent and literally living paycheck to paycheck, all this time. No vacations, no benefits of any sort, no savings, no retirement and basically isolated until the Internet exploded. But, I've raised my daughter and there's still a roof over our heads.

Like you, there are so many irons in the fire. Exciting, promising irons. If those with resources would come along, our brilliant ideas would take off in an instant! :)

I will say, FL, that for the first time I DO feel it's close. It feels like the atmosphere is finally ripe for a New Way...a way of integrity and compassion.

It feels very close to me. :)

I do hear you, though, and I absolutely understand.


:hug:


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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 06:35 PM
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3. corporate HR during the Regan years...you poor thing!
....i never could ahve cut that either. I did my time in Hotel Income Control at Ceasar's Tahoe...and almost died after 6 months!

none of my jobs even the little mom & pop ones have really been 'right' either...it is the paradigm of business these days and I am OVER it!

yes, it is close...and I am tired of living hand to mouth for decades. I am pretty good at substandard survival, but I would like to get beyond that so I can really help the planet more...

and what would you suggest? looking in green jobs? looking for "new paradigm business grants"...?

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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:46 PM
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4. Hmm...in my best Palin voice, YOU BETCHA....
Not only do they want you to be able to do everything and have every skill imaginable, they want your firstborn child before the 2nd interview, it's ridiculous. And what about the clowns that sometimes do the interviewing? What a range & what a game. Hang in there.

I think we've got a few years before paradigm changes, let's hope that health care reform is first to come about. What a circus!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:35 PM
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5. Transcending deeply entrenched corporatism is something that cannot happen in one full swoop.
Don't intend to sound like your mum and that's hardly my intent.

In fact, the tensions with which you are straddling are reflected very much by the Saturn/Uranus opposition, the still operational conjunction of Jupiter/Chiron/Neptune in late Aquarius, and Pluto's ingress into Capricorn and recent station at the zero degree and change (the alpha degree-on our Solar Apex) of that sign.

These aspects and placements hearken the paradigm shift for which you are so deeply longing.

The old ways are crumbling, no longer functional, or at all fair, and are ultimately unsustainable.

Rest assured that more and more people are becoming cognizant of this truth, each and every moment of every single day.

You sound as though you may think that you have only two choices. Those would be illustrated especially by the Saturn/Uranus opposition. Saturn represents many things but in this case could be best described as conformity (i.e. corporatism or the slowly shattering of the old illusion of "business as usual.")

These are very simply, amazingly unusual times.

Caving completely to "corporate think" is really not an option because it would require a lobotomy and such a thing is not recommended.

Psssssssttttt. . ."corporate think is entirely oxymoronic". . .and might possibly be a total insult to the vast majority of the sheep population on the planet. They often demonstrate the "group mind" in a sometimes fairly artful and inspiring manner which is very different from the antiquated label of the "herd mentality" which is really not the case or so they have often told me (WARNING: no bestiality jokes will be permitted on this thread or for that matter, in this forum-perhaps it's time to update our mission statement-Skinner would so-o-o love that request :)

Saturn in Virgo has an outrageously low tolerance for incompetence, malfeasance, lack of accountability and no rectifications or real remedies whatsoever, through which government, banking, Wall Street, and the corporate world has been robbing us blind. They haven't even been at all subtle about it in recent years.

Uranus in this case would represent rebellion (free spiritedness, spontaneity, and an aspect of the quality of creativity, and self expression that it sounds as though you've craved for a very long time if not most of this entire incarnation.)

Kindly note the distinction. (kidding)

Prior to this year, Saturn and Uranus had not been in opposition since '66 & '67. They were conjunct throughout '88 around the degree where Pluto is now and has been transiting for a while.

Consider setting the "way back" for a moment and ponder what happened at those separate junctures in time. The kids born of the middle class had the time and money to rebel in the late sixties. They tried to create a different way of life and rejected the conformity of the homogeneous ways in which they were encouraged to live. Of course, their visions and ideals (civil rights, peace, environmentalism, natural remedies) didn't manifest immediately in their fullest potential, and maybe that had something to do with drugs, the extreme scattering of sexual and semi magical energies, drugs, drugs, and did I forget to mention. . .drugs. . . .

There are many in the progressive movement that attribute the decimation of the middle class, the seeds of the seeming revival of ever widening extremities between the "haves" and the "have nots," and corporate slavery began to manifest with a vengence through reaganomics. (that lower case "r" is not a typo- it is entirely intentional.) Though he technically resigned in '85, this guy's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Regan (among many others too countless to mention) nefarious plans had been pushed through and were being instituted by '88.

Anyhoo, the first of the Saturn/Uranus oppositions of the past year occurred ironically on last election day. It was the first of five of which we've experienced three. The second was in early February, the third was this past month on September 15th, the fourth will be late during next April, and the fifth will occur late during next July.

That's in only one part of why this shift will be incremental.

When you mention wanting to be no longer in the place of dependence, I would like to point out that the fifth opposition in this current cycle will be on the Aries/Libra axis at zero degrees. Ahhhhh. . .Zero degrees of Libra is aligned with the intergalactic center. So no biggie. : )

But seriously, if I was to summarize the Aries/Libra axis in four words only, which I loathe doing, but I want to illustrate this point. Those words would be independence/self versus dependence/other. The mollifying words for that polarity would be intra dependence in collaboration rather than oneupmanship and competitiveness that suggests dominance rather than simply learning to take turns.

If you don't want to hear it from me. . .take it from a wombat. (kindly excuse any redundancy)

http://www.globalcommunity.org/flash/wombat.shtml

Sorry to rant all over your thread. This is only a short early draft. It's an update of a slew of things I've been crafting for nearly 18 years if not far longer.

In summation and without looking at your chart, I'd recommend that you start taking advantage of the Aquarian stellium and start networking your butt off for "stepping stone" or even temp positions as you ride out this transition.

I know you'll land on your feet. This may sound prosaic but ya know the old adage. . ."the treasure lies in the journey."

Compromising your instincts or caving when you feel as strongly as you do would be somewhat inadvisable. You don't have to become an automaton or sacrifice your soul and spirit to have a decent and fun job. Just perhaps attune your radar to smaller companies with fewer rigid people and maybe even a superior who at least in part recognizes and appreciates at least most of what is inclusive of your skill set.

Just beware of the bozos but consider being kinder to sheep.

:grouphug:




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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:49 PM
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7. Ohh my dear Stella, you SO rock!
Interesting...i actually graduated in 1988 and was 'supposed' to go into Dental Hygiene school at my parents urging...I lasted about 6 mos or so before deciding to "tune in and drop out" in my own way...

so yes, I admit this is an incarnational issue!

thnks for the astrological aspects that influence this shift and the reminder that it is happening, albeit in 'chunks'... good to know we are at 3 out of 5 too! Nearer my God to thee!

I can see the virgo attitude in the hiring/corporate mindset of not allowing ANY 'wiggle room' on qualifications or pre-employment tests, etc...it is part of what drives me over the edge !

ans yes, a smaller operation with less structure and more objectification and individuation would e ideal....or ighuring out how to get my OWN ideas off the ground so I could support myself...

*sigh* and I am sure this won't be solved overnight, dammitt
(patience is one of my 'issues' too... but that is a whole 'nother thread!) :rofl:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:45 AM
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11. Welp glad it spoke to you but haven't been rockin' anywhere close to
the frequency that my curious and quirky job description suggests.

Sheesh I didn't even get a lousy friggin' interview. (kidding. . .sorta)

I think you found this forum after I posted most of my major silly screeds so the older regulars will have to once again, kindly excuse any redundancy or just skip it.

Here goes a preamble to the whole 'nother thread to which you alluded. . .

Through my humble though copious observations, more people shoot themselves in the foot through impatience than anything other singular behavior.

They oftentimes invest a boatload of energy into something. Then just previous to being reciprocated for their endeavors they give up and in a form of self condemnation, they think or say, "Screw it. It's more trouble than it's worth." OTOH if one omits the latter self defeating thought and statement, the alchemists of "olde" were reputed to have focused. . .focused. . .focused on the transformative process, then they would completely surrender it and totally release control for the magic to occur for manifestation. Yet who the heck knows. . .? Wikipedia certainly wasn't quite the first and foremost or sometimes questionable resource of those days.

In any case, there is certainly a delicate balance between the potential ego transcendence of self surrender to the powers that be and indulging in the utter abnegation of self sabotage and if nothing else, I find it to be a deeply compelling metaphor especially in consideration of the aforementioned observations. Or, "if the tale is not true, it's a story well told."

Most strains of so called orthodox Christianity, especially Catholicism, have manipulated and subjugated their flock since their inception with the ruse of all people being "born of sin" from which their only possible redemption lies in "accepting Christ as (their) personal savior."

By extension. . ."Do you wantta go to heaven. . .?. . .Then gimme 50 bucks. . ." That is perhaps one of the older scams in the book which has resulted in all sorts of sexual deviance, to say nothing of vilification of the feminine through the semi schitzed creation of the virgin/whore archetypes and subsequent scathing spiritual/sexual schism.

One of my spiritual teachers affirmed for me what I always knew. That is that the vast majority of us were born of love, even if it is sometimes spurious (the progeny of rape non inclusive yet healing is available for all.)

That assumed truth motivated me to believe that if there was "an original sin" it was more than likely impatience (as reflected in the myths of both Prometheus (stealing fire) and Lucifer, and even more obtusely in the lyrics of Elvis Costello ". . .there ain't no such thing as an original sin. . . ")

Sexual deviance really could be construed as a sub set of impatience.

Don't feel badly about having patience as being an issue. Everyone has fire signs, or planets in fire, or placements in fire houses, and always Mars somewhere in their charts. Ergo everyone, unless they are one of the few enlightened beings who've transcended their charts sometimes indulges in impatience.

I tried to edit the post from last night but the editing time had elapsed by the time I completed the edit. Most of the edit was syntax and embellishment but one thing I really wanted to add is. . .

Truly lasting, meaningful, and significant contributions to the collective and achievements that truly make a difference are very often arrived at not through linear paths, but circuitous ones.

The slightest of kind gestures can inspire people more than we can ever measure.

Yeah, I know all too well, ya gotta pay the bills, and feed your kids and all. I just don't want to see you settle for anything less than something suitable for who you truly are.

all the best to you.



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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 05:29 AM
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9. That last sentence is going to be siggified shortly!
"beware of the bozos but consider being kinder to sheep".
Love.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 05:30 PM
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18. Yep. We need change, but not change consisting of burning cities, etc.
:)

That's why no apocalypse: it's happening slowly instead of instantly. Big hugs in the meantime, I pray that you are blessed in the meantime and that it all turns out for the greatest possible good!

:hug:
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:46 PM
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6. Funny, I was thinking about this today
Edited on Wed Sep-30-09 09:47 PM by Proud_Lefty
I'm a legal assistant and work for four attorneys. It's been like a 3 ring circle since I started there earlier in the year. I'm given project after project after project, constantly being interrupted for the next fire to put out. I'm amazed at how much I'm able to do for them. Instead of getting any kind of appreciation lately, I'm just getting criticized for all the little nothing deadlines I'm not meeting timely or when I get confused from juggling so much at once. My morale is becoming super low and the stress extremely high as far as my job is concerned. This type of treatment isn't constant, but it has happened in the past and again now. It's just plain awful and unbelievable. But as I was driving home today, I was thinking about how badly I want out of this situation, for the shift to happen already. I'm so done with dealing with this type of lower energy bullshit. Then I realized that I feel this way because I'm actually detached from it and not living it like I used to. Don't know if that makes sense, but I sure felt it. These lower energies are happening all around us, but we need to decide how tied in we will allow ourselves. Many of us are detached from this other reality we no longer want, so instead of looking back at that, we all need to look forward. It's really foggy and fuzzy ahead, but the more we look there, the clearer it will become.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 05:21 AM
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8. You just verbalized the exact reasons
that I do what I do and have done so for many years.
I have always bucked authority and decided that was not going to change;that as you say..the world needs to change this particular thing; not me. There's not a damned thing wrong with me wanting to be who I am without having to go through all of that BS.

I don't know when the world is going to get it; but it had better be soon. Sorry I don't have more insight.
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Callie McAllie Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:39 AM
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10. This is why I work for government
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 06:40 AM by Callie McAllie
I'm from a big family of Irish civil servants. Everyone is a teacher, a police man, a fireman, a state employee, a state university employee. My uncle and my mother, who grew up in the Depression, imbued us all with this idea. It's a place where you can make a genuine difference in people's lives. You may not get rich, but you make a decent wage, and in times like these you're less likely to be suddenly out of work. They don't discriminate against women or minorities, not just in hiring, but in promotion, unlike the private sector. You don't have to put in 60 hours a week just to keep up with the kid in the next cube. It's not glamorous, but it's a good solid job.

So maybe try getting a government job? They need HR too.

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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:50 AM
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12. I have thought of it
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 09:52 AM by FirstLight
My BF works for the forest service, and i hear his beuracracy tales of woe sometimes, but at least he is insured and has solidity in time like this, true. I have also been watching the Washoe Tribe website ...wouldn't mind working for the tribe either!

someday, *sigh* I will be able to find that job where I can express myself and still be rewarded and make a decent life for myself & my kids. ...

my mom used to say when i was growing up : "you're alright honey, the world's all wrong..." s
he meant it as a joke and to make me feel better about being that non conformist early on...trouble is, it stuck! now I think she may have been onto something! ;)
...so why doesn;t the rest of the world just change? lol
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:12 PM
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17. +1
Me too! I have incredible gratitude for my job. In fact, it has taught me what's important in the world far more than status; like health care, time to spend with loved ones, lack of fear, lower humiliation levels. I have been fortunate enough to learn what is important to me now. I used to want status when I was young but that blew up in my face and I became self-destructive for a while, because I was stuck in the old paradigm of what is important and it is just illusion.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:54 AM
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13. I GET IT. :)
Pet projects. Which one of these do you see yourself doing? Think about what you need in order for those buds to bloom. Any energy you put into fulfilling your dreams can be crazily magnified. It's happening to me, and it's a little weird, but it's working...

Twelve years ago, I had an idea for a magazine. Since then, I've earned a degree, immediately landed a job in an industry I've always longed to have a career in, married, become a mother to one child, bought a home, sold it, bought another. I've never done anything to feed my dream except think about it enough to keep it alive, and occasionally share the idea with others - who were always positive. So here it is twelve years later, and despite the catalogue of blessings in my life I find myself hugely dissatisfied with my job and myself. I am professionally trapped and underemployed with no opportunities for promotion or lateral movement, working as the assistant to a 72 year old woman with class/status issues and an apparent need to be mean. I understand she is the product of her own experience. I've considered the issues that war, poverty, wealth, abandonment, and mid-20th century British boarding schools have instilled in her. Regardless, I am no longer interested in working for her. She has sabotaged my professional advancement, she is manipulative, passive aggressive, and insulting. I am enabling her behavior by taking her subtle abuse, and I won't any more.

As I've come to understand that I no longer wish to be connected to this person, I've put energy into the magazine. The tiny concrete steps I have taken to make this magazine real have resulted in huge movement forward. I started small - I've been reading about the industry, educating myself, studying the competition, thinking. Then I talked to a designer - she has years of magazine experience, I've seen her work and I know her to be reliable, and she likes my idea. Then I took a huge risk by sharing my idea with our marketing manager to see what he thought. He was enthusiastic about the idea, and he offered his support and his (considerable) network to me. He said he thought it would be attractive to investors, and he knew people who would be open to hearing about my idea. He has given me feedback on my business plan as I'm writing it, and he has already given me the names and phone numbers of two people in the local/national magazine network. And then last week, I told my boss about my professional frustration and about my intention to make this magazine, find investors, and work from home running the magazine. She was surprised, and then enthusiastically dismissive ("Ah, yes, what a wonderful idea, you'll never find enough content"). That night I began writing my business plan, and as I've been writing it, I feel closer to my goals by the minute.

My point in telling you this long self-centered story is to say that yes, it can happen, it's happening. I finally let go. Suddenly, I'm getting more of what I do want. Validation, access, opportunity - it's all happening. The more I think about what I do want, the more it comes to me.

What do you want?
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 10:34 AM
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23. I've had the idea for years to create something similar...
Here in Tahoe, to create a "holistic directory" of sorts, linking all the holistic practitioners AND green hotels & businesses... to start promoting Eco tourism here as the main thing...(instead of casinos and jet skis)

the "membership" to the directory would also include a quarterly magazine...where the members can contribute their own stories and info about their business and the special connection to Tahoe.

I would like to eventually make it my own "chamber of commerce" type thing, a "Green Chamber"...focused on eco-tourism, greening your business and holistic health... I have done a little research into alternative business networks to se if I can get sponsored to open a 'chapter" which may get it started.

ya, I have NO idea how to do a business plan or figure out the financials, that is the thing that stops me dead in my tracks...

*sigh* ...some sweet day....
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:16 AM
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14. In keeping with this thread, and my "Touchstone" post....

Something JUST happened. Something potentially miraculous.

I mentioned up thread that I have many irons in the fire.

Well, one particular iron has been in the fire since 1998-1999. I shit you not. ;)

Back in 1998, when I had the first opportunity to BE (for one week I only had 60 hours of work, rather than my typical 80), I asked the question before bed, "How may I serve?"

I'd never used that phrasing before in my life. It just came out.

That night triggered something that has continued to this day. I had a dream that night that laid out a business -- a new brand, actually, with the essence being to encourage people to have their HEARTS WIDE OPEN -- and subsequent dreams elaborated on it and fed it.

As I continued my soul-sucking, mind-numbing daily work, this creative outlet kept me alive. While that particular project has yet to manifest (but may be getting much closer), it opened up a lifetime of creativity that has found a place over the last 10 years, primarily doing what I can to help others' dreams manifest.

Have any of these other projects resulted in a reliable income as yet? No. I continue the soul-sucking, mind-numbing work for the most part, yet I truly, truly feel I won't have to do so much longer.

I'm rarely an outspoken optimist...lol...so it was unusual for me to have written that I feel this "new way" is much closer, for fear of jinxing it or something.

But, only minutes ago, a potential opening or "break" I've been seeking for 10 years, regarding the various creations that started coming about in dreams back in 1998-99 came via email. A large global manufacturer invited me to submit the ideas (my goal is to license them).

I haven't been actively seeking anything regarding this particular project, though it's one most dear to my heart, as I've been focusing on the other irons. But, I have felt the fairy energy yesterday and today and allowed myself to focus...and send out one contact...as this product line has a fun energy to it that lifts my spirits.

A few minutes ago, amazingly, I received a delightful invitation to share more after my inquiry was obviously shipped around, landing on the desk of the Executive VP of Product Development. (Don't worry, I'm a CYA Virgo: trademarks and copyrights and domain names and all such things protecting assets are one of the first things I do...lol.)

May I have some "good vibes" that, if this is indeed a positive path, it all shall flow smoothly.

Thought this encouraging tidbit might encourage others who read. :)

:grouphug:
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Callie McAllie Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:30 AM
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15. Wow, that's so cool. And gives us all reason to hope
Heres's to all your dreams coming true!

:toast:
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:08 AM
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16. wow, awesome...
i am eagerly awaiting the continued follow up of your creation coming forth, and choose to receive the same opportunities as well !

:grouphug:
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 01:48 AM
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19. !! This is great! ....and
I need your help; since you seem to be versed on what to do when one has an idea one needs to protect. I'll PM you.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 02:43 PM
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20. New developments....and some visions
Hey everyone
I had another HR class yesterday and this month's class is, fittingly enough, Recruitment & Retention
(though honestly we aren;t focusing too much on retention because the market is more in favor of people STAYING in theoir jobs to avoid unemployment and forclosure, etc..the teacher even mentioned this)

So we discussed things from a strategic standpoint, from the corporate place of how to screen people and what the future workforce would look like and how to find your 'people' when the old fashioned way of putting it in the Sunday paper is pretty much over. We talked about LinkedIn and Facebook and Monster, about how to set up your responses so you can thank your interviewees after the meeting or thank them for their applicaytion...etc I have NEVER been "thanked" for an interview or otherwise. In fact, the EDD classes all tell ME to grovel and send THEM a thank you card and NOT expect a response! I mentioned that as well...and the teacherv even said "you hear the tone of her voice, how does she feel?" (they replied that it sounded like i was disillusioned and possibly even angry - heh, no shit) and she told the rest of the class to remember that the next time they think of blowing off an applicant. wow...

and then we went on to talk about the changing workforce. In 5 years, we discussed a "virtual" workforce, mostly filing their things from home because the files are all digitized and they can have video conferencing etc... One lady at my table (who, ironically workd for the Job source in Sacramento with poor people and is a very vehement rethuglican and has rolled her eyes about "liberal" laws to protect people in class before) she says that will shut own the office supply industry and 'what about all that Real Estate" with empty office buildings... I pointed out how many places are ALREADY empty, and that we can just plow them under and make Urban Agriculture! :rofl: what's even funnier is that while my idea freaked HER out, it sparked a discussion about the NEW, GREN economy and jobs in places we may not even forsee...that we should prepare for these kinds of innovations...

this is heartening, coming from corporate-think.

on the way back, I was looking out the window as my BF was talking about his workplace and the heirarchy, that we had become slaves to our own heirarchy and caste system.....and I noticed large lots where there used to be cars and big malls, now growing with weeds and dark... and I asked my BF...do you see it? do you see that it is crumbling? the end of the empire?

the beliefs and entrenchments that we tried so hard to avoid in our own rebellion against Monarchy and the Church, we are now doing to ourselves with corporatization and loss of individual rights....

and it is coming down, slowly but surely
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ricochetastroman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 05:27 PM
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21. How about this crap?
And it should be illegal. They want (demand) to know your salary history! Why? It can ONLY serve them to know and can benefit you in any way. It's none of their business.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:16 PM
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22. well I am screwed anyway, I refuse to take a drug test
On a matter of principle...it is none of their business if I choose to toke instead of drink a vodka on a friday night...

so I guss I am just going to hafta create my OWN company and be my own boss, because It certainly isn't my thing to kiss the feet of the corporate overlords for $10 an hour...

I found a basic gig for HR in Reno today...$16-20 an hour, could I commute in the snow? ...could I make the hours work when my kids don;t have anyone else but me? ...isn;t it dangerous for me to be that far away from them?

hey rick, what's my chart say about gainful employment or money shifting soon? got a new freelance gig that could open some floodgates, but who knows?

thanks for the fellow outrage - it's nice to know I am not the only one who thinks this is BS!
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ricochetastroman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 09:41 AM
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25. In response
" what's my chart say about gainful employment or money shifting soon? got a new freelance gig that could open some floodgates,"

A chart doesn't say that you will or won't get new employment or money shifts.
I've tried that.

It does say, the more YOU flow with things, the more those things will flow to you. I do see Pluto almost exactly on your Venus in Capr. and near the nadir. That indicates to me that over the next year that you'll probably find a major new source of income. Maybe working in the home or the reverse of what you've been doing. Plutos is heavy so that indicates that you should hold your ground as you are doing but don't BE CAUTIOUS FELLOW Cappie to the point of paraysis. You "can't make sure" it'll all work out before you make your move. That's the gotcha.
Don't be surprised if the PL indication means working for a big corporation either.
It's not in stone, nothing is.
good luck
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 02:40 PM
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24. wow, ANOTHER shoe dropoed on me today...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6759046

check it out man, the old way is closing the doors so we cannot go backwards...
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:15 PM
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26. Ask the Universe if your business idea is right, and at the right time. Watch for signs...
...and I hope that they are all positive! :)
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