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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 06:41 PM
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He be, or not he be? That is the question.......
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 06:56 PM by Dover
Were you aware of the controversy over the true authorship of Shakespeare's work? In fact the argument goes back centuries.

The evidence points to the knowlegable hand of Francis Bacon, whose own portrait, when laid over Shakespeare's seem to be identical.
But that is only the most superficial piece of evidence. Although Bacon was the first to have been suggested to be the "real" Shakespeare, he is not the only one. The most popular "real Shakespeares" candidates include Edward de Vere, the Earl of Oxford; Christopher Marlowe; Bacon; and even Queen Elizabeth I. Each supposed author has a group of followers that support that particular person as the real author of Shakespeare. De Vere’s are called Oxfordians, Bacon’s Baconians, and Marlowe’s Marlovians. Queen Elizabeth’s followings have died down somewhat.

There is more........much more.

If you are interested here are two sites that discuss it:

Bacon, Shakspere, and the Rosicrucians
THE present consideration of the Bacon--Shakspere--Rosicrucian controversy is undertaken not for the vain purpose of digging up dead men's bones but rather in the hope that a critical analysis will aid in the rediscovery of that knowledge lost to the world since the oracles were silenced. It was W. F. C. Wigston who called the Bard of Avon "phantom Captain Shakespeare, the Rosicrucian mask." This constitutes one of the most significant statements relating to the Bacon-Shakspere controversy.

It is quite evident that William Shakspere could not, unaided, have produced the immortal writings bearing his name. He did not possess the necessary literary culture, for the town of Stratford where he was reared contained no school capable of imparting the higher forms of learning reflected in the writings ascribed to him. His parents were illiterate, and in his early life he evinced a total disregard for study. There are in existence but six known examples of Shakspere's handwriting. All are signatures, and three of them are in his will. The scrawling, uncertain method of their execution stamps Shakspere as unfamiliar with the use of a pen, and it is obvious either that he copied a signature prepared for him or that his hand was guided while he wrote. No autograph manuscripts of the "Shakespearian" plays or sonnets have been discovered, nor is there even a tradition concerning them other than the fantastic and impossible statement appearing in the foreword of the Great Folio.

A well-stocked library would be an essential part of the equipment of an author whose literary productions demonstrate him to be familiar with the literature of all ages, yet there is no record that Shakspere ever possessed a library, nor does he make any mention of books in his will. Commenting on the known illiteracy of Shakspere's daughter Judith, who at twenty-seven could only make her mark, Ignatius Donnelly declares it to be unbelievable that William Shakspere if he wrote the plays bearing his name would have permitted his own daughter to reach womanhood and marry without being able to read one line of the writings that made her father wealthy and locally famous.

The query also has been raised, "Where did William Shakspere secure his knowledge of modern French, Italian, Spanish, and Danish, to say nothing of classical Latin and Greek?" For, in spite of the rare discrimination with which Latin is used by the author of the Shakespearian plays, Ben Jonson, who knew Shakspere intimately, declared that the Stratford actor understood "small Latin and less Greek"! Is it not also more than strange that no record exists of William Shakspere's having ever played a leading rôle in the famous dramas he is supposed to have written or in others produced by the company of which he was a member? True, he may have owned a small interest in the Globe Theatre or Blackfriars, but apparently the height of his thespian achievements was the Ghost in Hamlet!

In spite of his admitted avarice, Shakspere seemingly made no effort during his lifetime to control or secure remuneration from the plays bearing his name, many of which were first published anonymously. As far as can be ascertained, none of his heirs were involved in any manner whatsoever in the printing of the First Folio after his death, nor did they benefit financially therefrom. Had he been their author, Shakspere's manuscripts and unpublished plays would certainly have constituted his most valued possessions, yet his will--while making special disposition of his second-best bed and his "broad silver gilt bowl" neither mentions nor intimates that he possessed any literary productions whatsoever.

While the Folios and Quartos usually are signed "William Shakespeare," all the known autographs of the Stratford actor read "William Shakspere." Does this change in spelling contain any significance heretofore generally overlooked? Furthermore, if the publishers of the First Shakespearian Folio revered their fellow actor as much as their claims in that volume would indicate, why did they, as if in ironical allusion to a hoax which they were perpetrating, place an evident caricature of him on the title page?

Certain absurdities also in Shakspere's private life are irreconcilable. While supposedly at the zenith of his literary career, he was actually engaged in buying malt, presumably for a brewing business! Also picture the immortal Shakspere--the reputed author of The Merchant of Venice--as a moneylender! Yet among those against whom Shakspere brought action to collect petty sums was a fellow townsman--one Philip Rogers--whom he sued for an unpaid loan of two shillings, or about forty-eight cents! In short, there is nothing known in the life of Shakspere that would justify the literary excellence imputed to him....cont'd

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/secret_teachings_of_all_ages/bacon_shakspere_and_the_roscrucians.htm

http://www.sirbacon.org/historyofrcrucians.htm

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The other side of the argument: http://shakespeareauthorship.com/

Portrait a fraud? http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/3033/

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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 12:04 AM
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1. Certainly makes you wonder....
I've been hearing various versions of the "truth about Shakespeare" for years now....I'll have to check this out...sometime.

(I sure wish the dang tumbleweeds would quit growing so fast LOL)

I've always heard it was really Bacon, Sir Francis Bacon that is, who had written what has been credited to Willy Shakespeare...veerrrry interesting......

thanks, Dover.:)
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 12:53 AM
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2. lol!
Tumbleweeds gather no moss...or something like that.

How are you doing with the extreme heat there in red rock country?
I keep reading about the miserable 3-digit record highs.
We've had some refreshing and rare mid-July rains here in Texas.
Things are actually staying relatively green.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 01:12 AM
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4. our monsoons have finally kicked in....
so not so hot now (90ºs instead of 100º+) but S T I C K Y....

and really the damn tumbleweeds have literally grown inches overnite. I hate them...nasty things.

Actually I have to admire their tenacity and their ability to adapt...tough single stem w/branches growing along the ground in the heat...we get rain and baboom!...taller & wider overnite. Then in the fall when the ^%%#$@ little buggers are bush size, one good gust of wind snaps that single stem and off they merrily go...usually parking right in front of my door! Did I mention they have pickers so you go to pull the tiny little darlins' out and YOW!!

Things are definitely much gentler back east.....but I still fiercely love the desert. :)


Hope you are not in the really really hot part of TX....did you get any Emily remants? She kicked our monsoons into gear- finally :)

:hug: stay cool
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 12:53 AM
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3. lol!
Tumbleweeds gather no moss...or something like that.

How are you doing with the extreme heat there in red rock country?
I keep reading about the miserable 3-digit record highs.
We've had some refreshing and rare mid-July rains here in Texas.
Things are actually staying relatively green.
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