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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 05:26 AM
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The Red Book
Hello ASAH :hi:

I recently received my copy of Jung's long awaited Red Book, his deeply personal journey to the soul replete with amazing images and handwritten script created by his own hand, as well as his dreams, explorations and waking fantasies. I find the timing of its release intriguing and will likely be engrossed in its pages a lot in the next several months.

In celebration of the winter solstice and this holiday season I thought I'd share a few excerpts with my ASAH family that have stood out for me (though far more interesting to read them within the context of his narrative). I hope the book becomes more readily available (affordable) soon, as it is currently a bit of a burden relative to price, size and weight! Yet so stunningly beautiful and precious! Perhaps Santa will manage to get it down the chimney and placed under the tree for some lucky folks.





First this description:

During the first world war, Carl Jung embarked on an extended self-exploration he called his 'confrontation with the unconscious'. At the heart of this exploration was The Red Book, a grand, illuminated volume which he created between 1914 and 1930, in which he developed the nucleus of his later theories.

The book is a remarkable blend of calligraphy and art; an illuminated manuscript that bears comparison with The Book of Kells and William Blake. But while Jung considered The Red Book his most important work, only a handful of people have ever seen it. Finally, nearly 80 years after it was completed, it is available in a facsimile edited by Jung historian Sonu Shamdasani and published by WW Norton. View a handful of the pages here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/gallery/2009/oct/16/1



A DREAM (Jung interpreted the following dreams as, perhaps, precognitive of the approach of WWI, but I wonder...)
“It happened in October of the year 1913 as I was leaving alone for a journey that during the day I was suddenly overcome in broad daylight by a vision. I saw a terrible flood that covered all the northern and low-lying lands between the North Sea and the Alps. It reached from England up to Russia, and from the coast of the North Sea right up to the Alps. I saw yellow waves, swimming rubble, and the death of countless thousands.

The vision lasted for two hours. It confused me and made me ill. I was not able to interpret it. Two weeks passed then the vision returned more violent than before, and an inner voice spoke. ‘Look at it, it is completely real, and it will come to pass. You cannot doubt this.’ I wrestled again for two hours with this vision but it held me fast. It left me exhausted and confused. And I thought my mind had gone crazy.

“From then on the anxiety toward the terrible event that stood directly before us kept coming back. Once I also saw a sea of blood over the northern lands

“In the year 1914 in the month of June, at the beginning and end of the month, and at the beginning of July, I had the same dream three times…”



THREE DREAMS

In the year 1914 in the month of June, at the beginning and end of the month, and at the beginning of July, I had the same dream three times. I was in a foreign land, and suddenly, overnight and right in the middle of summer, a terrible cold descended from space. All seas and rivers were locked in ice, every green living thing had frozen.

The second dream was thoroughly similar to this. But the third dream at the beginning of July went as follows:

I was in a remote English land. It was necessary that I return to my homeland with a fast ship as speedily as possible. I reached home quickly. In my homeland I found that in the middle of summer a terrible cold had fallen from space, which had turned every living thing into ice. There stood a leaf-bearing but fruitless tree, whose leaves had turned into sweet grapes full of healing juice throught the working of the frost. I picked some grapes and gave them to a great waiting throng.



Commentary about the first dream:

When I had the vision of the flood in October of the year 1913 it happened at a time that was significant for me as a man. At that time, in the fortieth year of my life, I had achieved everything taht I had wished for myself. I had achieved honor, power, wealth, knowledge, and every human happiness. Then my desire for the increase of these trappings ceased, the desire ebbed from me and horror came over me The vision of the flood seized me and I felt the spirit of the depths, but I did not understand him. Yet he drove me on with unbearable inner longing and I said: "My soul, where are you? do you hear me? I speak. I call you - are you there? I have returned. I am here again. I have shaken the dust of all the lands from my feet and I have come to you. I am with you. After long years of long wandering. I have come to you again. Should I tell you everything I have seen, experienced and drunk in? Or do you not want to hear about all the noise of life and the world? But one thing you must know; the one thing I have learned is that one must live this life.

This life is the way; the long sought-after way to the unfathomable which we call divine. There is no other way, all other ways are false paths. I found the right way, it led me to you, to my soul. I return tempered and purified. Do you still know me? How long the separation lasted! Everything has become so different. And how did I find you? How strange my journey was! What words should I use to tell you on what twisted paths a good star has guided me to you? Give me your hand, my almost forgotten soul. How warm the joy at seeing you again, you long disavowed soul. Life has led me back to you. Let us thank the life I have lived for all the happy and all the sad hours, for every joy, for every sadness. My soul, my journey should continue with you. I will wander with you and ascend to my solitude.

The spirit of the depths forced me to say this and at the same time to undergo it against myself, since I had not expected it then. I still labored misguidedly under the spirit of this time and thought differently about the human soul. I thought and spoke much of the soul. I knew many learned words for her, I had judged her and turned her into a scientific object. I did not consider that my sould cannot be the object of my judgement and knowledge: much more are my judgement and knowledge the objects of my soul. Therefore the spirit of the depths forced me to speak to my soul, to call upon her as a living and self-existing being. I had to become aware that I had lost my soul...cont'd





My friends,

Believe me. It is no teaching and no instruction that I give you. On what basis should I presume to teach you? I give you news of the way of this man, but not your own way. My path is not your path, therefore I cannot teach you. The way is within us, but not in Gods, nor in teachings, nor in laws. Within us is the way, the truth, the life.

Woe betide those who live by way of examples! Life is not with them. If you live according to an example, you thus live the life of that example, but who should live your own life if not yourself? So live yourselves.

The signposts have fallen, unblazed trails lie before us. Do not be greedy to gobble up the fruits of foreign fields. do you not know that you yourselves are the fertile acre which bears everything that avails you?

Yet who today knows this? Who knows the way to the eternally fruitful climes of the soul? You seek the way through mere appearances, you study books and give ear to all kinds of opinion. What good is all that?

There is only one way and that is your way.

You seek the path? I warn you away from my own. It can also be the wrong way for you.

May each go his own way.

I will be no savior, no lawgiver, no master teacher unto you. You are no longer little children.

Giving laws, wanting improvements, making things easier, has all become wrong and evil. may each one seek out his own way. The way leads to mutual love in community. Men will come to see and feel the similarity and commonality of their ways.

Laws and teachings held in common compel people to solitude, so that they may escape the pressure of undesirable contact, but solitude makes people hostile and venomous.

Therefore give people dignity and let each of them stand apart, so that each may find his own fellowship and love it.

Power stands against power, contempt against contempt, love against love.

Give humanity dignity, and trust that life will find the better way.

The one eye of the Godhead is blind, the one ear of the Godhead is deaf, the order of its being is crossed by chaos. So be patient with the crippledness of the world and do not overvalue its consummate beauty.





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hermetic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 08:33 AM
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1. Hi, Dover
Thank you for sharing your treasure here. Due to size/price, I won't be buying that one right now. It looks beautiful though so I anticipate anything else you will post from it. I already love that part about the soul:

This life is the way; the long sought-after way to the unfathomable which we call divine. There is no other way, all other ways are false paths. I found the right way, it led me to you, to my soul. I return tempered and purified. Do you still know me? How long the separation lasted! Everything has become so different. And how did I find you? How strange my journey was! What words should I use to tell you on what twisted paths a good star has guided me to you? Give me your hand, my almost forgotten soul. How warm the joy at seeing you again, you long disavowed soul. Life has led me back to you. Let us thank the life I have lived for all the happy and all the sad hours, for every joy, for every sadness. My soul, my journey should continue with you. I will wander with you and ascend to my solitude.

And the dreams and visions stuff. Wow. The illustrations are stunning, too.

Big hugs your way, and much gratitude.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 05:00 PM
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Hi Hermetic! That paragraph spoke to me as well.
Will share more as I'm inspired and able.

How strange our journeys are!

(((( Hugs received and returned ))))
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 05:00 PM
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6. dupe...n/t
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 05:01 PM by Dover
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:16 PM
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2. Thank you so much for this, Dover!
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 12:30 PM by I Have A Dream
For a very long time, I've wanted to study Jung's works. I feel that understanding it would completely change my frame of reference and open an internal door for me that is currently nailed shut. I don't know what has stopped me, but, up to this point, I have not gone any further than intending to do this. This thread has caused me to make it my New Year's resolution to take this work on this upcoming year. (I don't usually make New Year's resolutions, but this seems as though it's one worth making.) It will be my focus.

I'm now going to look further into this particular book. Thank you again for posting it.

(It's so good to see you here! I've really missed your light.)

On edit: Here's a link to a few more pages from the book. The illustrations are amazing!

https://philemonfoundation.org/images/uploads/RedBookPreview_optimized.pdf



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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:38 PM
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4. Thank you, Dover and IHAD!

This is STUNNINGLY beautiful....words and images!


:grouphug:

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 06:39 PM
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13. ...
:hug:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 06:14 PM
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8. Hi Dream! Thanks so much for that great link which I'm bookmarking.

This book is unlike any I've read by Jung, though he has made reference
to some of its content in other works. But this is the crucible. It is the heart of what has informed and guided his later work.
Since my youth, Jung has been the Gandalf to my Bilbo Baggins, but this book is about his own intimate process and search for the ring. And while his journey and experiences are distinct from my own 'twisted path', the process and signposts are strikingly similar.


Sounds like your inner guidance system is tugging you in Jung's direction as well. I've run into a lot of mud pits on my own journey, feeling so stuck, while at other times impatiently impetuous. I think we know we have achieved some inner balance, alignment and trust of our inner guidance when we feel in the flow and synchronisities abound. Astrology has taught me that timing is everything (there is a season..turn, turn, turn), and we all have our own inner clocks or alignment of stars that at a precise moment can move us to shift our direction or focus to further our journey. We may not know why or how or where we may ultimately be heading, but that's where faith comes in. In my youth, when hearing the Christmas story, I wondered how the three wise men knew to follow that star?

Much love and light to you and all here at ASAH in the new year!
Our journey continues...

:grouphug:

Dover
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 06:21 PM
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9. Right now, the transiting North Node is almost exactly conjunct my natal Sun.
I think that it's the perfect time for me to take this on.

Thank you for clarifying it all for me. Now I need to just buckle down and do it! No excuses! :)

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 06:42 PM
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14. Wow...talk about timing. And I'm gonna guess that Pluto transiting in Capricorn
will assist you in diving deep.

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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 06:49 PM
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15. I hope so. I have a Capricorn stellium of 4 planets, so...
I know that I'm going to be really affected by this energy. Pluto's all about transformation, and I think that Jung's up to the challenge of helping me to transform. :)

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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:25 PM
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3. Thank you for this
And look at those illustrations!! WOW!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 06:23 PM
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10. Hi Celeb. Yep....WOW!
What a remarkable undertaking this book was. I'm guessing he needed to manifest those inner processes in order to ground them.

:hug:
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:42 PM
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5. Beautiful book.
It looks like a museum piece. I now understand the meaning of covet. Thanks for posting this information and the link!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 06:35 PM
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11. I'm so impressed with his artistry.
I was thinking how we are all given the set of tools we need for our particular journey. For him these gifts were an important means to illustrate and express an inner reality for which there are no words.
And no doubt his creativity was a touchstone that kept him grounded.

You too have the artist's gift in your toolbox which I'm certain others
covet.

:hug:



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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 06:57 PM
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16. I haven't burst
into unexpected tears of joy in a long while :) :cry: That pierced my heart and I thank you :hug:
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 05:08 PM
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7. lucky you! thank you so much for sharing this
and please do feel free to share more as time permits. Got to admit I'm turning a little pea-green with envy! Gorgeous illustrations. Also the calligraphy...
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 06:38 PM
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12. It's inspiring isn't it!
I'm sure there are many more colors on your palette besides pea-green...lol!

:hug:

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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:55 PM
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17. Carl was way ahead of the curve. Bless him.
And how lovely...anyone finding themselves 5150'd may now reference Carl Jung as one who "heard voices" and prophecied. Nice bit of antinomy there, for the psychiatrists and doctors :rofl:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:56 PM
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18. I blame his mother....lol!
In looking at his early life, it seems so clear how the dynamics in his family contributed to his life's work. His mother (and the feminine in general) was such a mystery, and like all mysteries a bit scary while also
intriguing. Of course it's all what we do with what we've got, and someone else might have had the same experience and ended up in a very different place.




This is from Wikipedia:

Carl Jung was born Karle Gustav II Jung in Kesswil, the Swiss canton (or county) of Thurgau, as the fourth but only surviving child of Paul Achilles Jung and Emilie Preiswerk. His father was a poor rural pastor in the Swiss Reformed Church while his mother came from a wealthy and established Swiss family.

When Jung was six months old his father was appointed to a more prosperous parish in Laufen. Meanwhile, the tension between his parents was growing. An eccentric and depressed woman, Emilie Jung spent much of the time in her own separate bedroom, enthralled by the spirits that she said visited her at night. Jung had a better relationship with his father because he thought him to be predictable and thought his mother to be very problematic. Although during the day he also saw her as predictable, at night he felt some frightening influences from her room. At night his mother became strange and mysterious. One night he saw a faintly luminous, indefinite figure, coming from her room. The head was detached from the neck and floated in the air, in front of the body.

His mother left Laufen for several months of hospitalisation near Basel for an unknown physical ailment. Young Carl Jung was taken by his father to live with Emilie Jung's unmarried sister in Basel, but was later brought back to the pastor's residence. Emilie's continuing bouts of absence and often depressed mood influenced her son's attitude towards women — one of "innate unreliability", a view that he later called the "handicap I started off with" and that resulted in his sometimes patriarchal views of women. After three years of living in Laufen, Paul Jung requested a transfer and was called to Kleinhüningen in 1879. The relocation brought Emilie Jung in closer contact to her family and lifted her melancholy and despondent mood.

A solitary and introverted child, Jung was convinced from childhood that he had two personalities — a modern Swiss citizen and a personality more at home in the eighteenth century. "Personality Number 1", as he termed it, was a typical schoolboy living in the era of the time, while "Personality Number 2" was a dignified, authoritative and influential man from the past. Although Jung was close to both parents he was rather disappointed in his father's academic approach to faith.

A number of childhood memories had made a life-long impression on him. As a boy he carved a tiny mannequin into the end of the wooden ruler from his pupil's pencil case and placed it inside the case. He then added a stone which he had painted into upper and lower halves and hid the case in the attic. Periodically he would come back to the mannequin, often bringing tiny sheets of paper with messages inscribed on them in his own secret language. This ceremonial act, he later reflected, brought him a feeling of inner peace and security. In later years he discovered that similarities existed in this memory and the totems of native peoples like the collection of soul-stones near Arlesheim, or the tjurungas of Australia. This, he concluded, was an unconscious ritual that he did not question or understand at the time, but which was practiced in a strikingly similar way in faraway locations that he as a young boy had no way of consciously knowing about. His findings on psychological archetypes and the collective unconscious were inspired in part by these experiences.

Shortly before the end of his first year at the Humanistisches Gymnasium in Basel, at age 12, he was pushed to the ground by another boy so hard that he was for a moment unconscious (Jung later recognised that the incident was his fault, indirectly). The thought then came to him that "now you won't have to go to school any more". From then on, whenever he started off to school or began homework, he fainted. He remained at home for the next six months until he overheard his father speaking worriedly to a visitor of his future ability to support himself, as they suspected he had epilepsy. With little money in the family, this brought the boy to reality and he realised the need for academic excellence. He immediately went into his father's study and began poring over Latin grammar. He fainted three times, but eventually he overcame the urge and did not faint again. This event, Jung later recalled, "was when I learned what a neurosis is".

Jung had no plans to study psychiatry, because it was held in contempt in those days. But as he started studying his psychiatric textbook, he became very excited when he read that psychoses are personality diseases. Immediately he understood this was the field that interested him the most. It combined both biological and spiritual facts and this was what he was searching for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 08:43 PM
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19. thanks Dover
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 09:35 PM
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20. Hi Dover,
:hi:
thank you for bringing this here. I did not know that he was able to illustrate to this extent. It is beautiful. ;)

I can still read some but not all of Altdeutsch, my grandapa's letters were written this way and I even had some favorite children's books (hand me downs) I read over and over as a child. It was about a squirrel :)
But thanks to Dream's link I can magnify it big enough - several times trough I understand what he writes.

How exiting for you, Dover, what a treasure.

Me, too would like to explore his work.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 11:50 PM
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21. Hi Rumpel!
I too was surprised at the extent of his creative skills. I hope they'll eventually make the whole book available on the web. Too awkward, big and heavy to snuggle up with...lol!

It's interesting to me that he chose to use the illuminated religious text format for this work. Of course it seems so appropriate, but when I think about it, it's kind of a radical thing to do. Even more so back when he originally created it.

I wish I could read the orignial text! How wonderful that you have that
skill. The book is divided into two large sections, the first containing the original text, illustrations, etc. and the second half is the English translation on plain pages. So as I'm reading I don't get the full richness of the experience of his hand and presence. But not complaining! I'm so grateful they finally published this work.

The first book I read of his was a little paperback titled, Modern Man In Search Of A Soul, which drew me in and got me hooked for life. And then discovering his work on dreams helped me enormously.

Let us know if you discover any juicy passages in the original text.

:hug:

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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 11:57 PM
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22. Dover, do you recommend starting with "Modern Man In Search of a Soul"...
...or would you recommend starting with another work? I have a book entitled "Beginner's Guide to Jungian Psychology", which I was thinking of reading first even though it's not his work first-hand. Do you think that it would be better to actually just jump right into his works rather than taking the approach that I was thinking of taking?

Thanks!

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:40 AM
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23. Hmmm.... It might help me to direct you if you told me what subject you want to learn about.

That's a tough question because his work is so extensive and you may have your own way of studying something that works for you. My approach could best be described as nonlinear...lol! I started with that one book and then just let my interests guide me, or perhaps something I read in one book would lead to another that I wanted to learn more about. Spotty coverage at best, but it fed my particular interests. I think if I had stood before this immense list of his work I might have felt overwhelmed! But that's just me.

Some of his work is more 'accessible' than others - some scholarly stuff is meant for his peers in the field while others are more for public consumption. There are books that provide a kind of index/guide to all his works with a paragraph or two that explains each, which might be a good way to get an overview and see what attracts you if you don't already have something in mind.

The Portable Jung, edited by Joseph Campbell (Viking Portable), ISBN 0-14-015070-6

Robert Hopcke's book, A Guided Tour of the Collected Works of C.G. Jung, ISBN 1-57062-405-4. He offers short, lucid summaries of all of Jung's major ideas and suggests readings from Jung's and others' work that best present that idea. (from Wikipedia).


Or you might peruse a bookstore (or Amazon) and see what jumps out at you. There are also bookstores that are run exclusively by Jungian Institutes that are all over the country and they'll often have classes open to the public to discuss some aspect of his work.

Then there are films about him on DVD.

Some topics that come to mind that he has books about:

Dreams
Alchemy
Archetypes
Individuation
Anima-Animus
Collective Unconscious
Transformation
Symbols

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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:11 AM
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24. Thank you! Given what you say...
I think that I will read the book that I have and see what part catches my attention the most. I'll then start there.

I appreciate this information, Dover.

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 04:04 PM
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25. I'm not familiar with that book, but it sounds like a good way to start.
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 04:12 PM by Dover
And if you find yourself drawn into his work you might find these
links of interest:

Jung Society of Philadelphia - http://www.cgjungphiladelphia.org/

The Philemon Foundation - https://philemonfoundation.org/community/
(they played a major role in getting the Red Book published)

You probably already know that the astrologer Liz Greene is/was heavily
influenced by Jung and brought his concepts and psychological types to the world of Astrology and chart interpretation. And she is based, of course, in Zurich.

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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:30 PM
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28. Dream, I found this on Wiki
Carl Jung publications
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung_publications

I have been looking for e-books - they should be in public domain.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 11:01 PM
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29. Thanks so much for the information, rumpel.
:)

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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 11:31 PM
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31. :)
:)
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:23 PM
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27. Sure will...
eventually I will hopefully be able to see the entire book. :)
I will post, if I find some interesting nuances in the German..

Now, I was glancing through some info, and since C. Jung IS the doctor, who talks about the benefits of:

Art therapy

Jung proposed that Art can be used to alleviate or contain feelings of trauma, fear, or anxiety and also to repair, restore and heal.<9> In his work with patients and in his own personal explorations, Jung wrote that art expression and images found in dreams could be helpful in recovering from trauma and emotional distress. Jung often drew, painted, or made objects and constructions at times of emotional distress, which he recognized as recreational.<9> A strand of Dance Movement Therapy named Authentic Movement by its creator, Mary Starks Whitehouse, was developed after several years of undergoing jungian analysis, through applying -and slightly adapting- Jung's techniques of Active Imagination to movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung

The Red Book, must be an extensive self exploration.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:35 PM
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26. Video: The making of the Red Book
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 11:12 PM
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30. Oh, oh, oh!
brilliant! I've been racking my brain trying to think of a gift for my sweetheart. He will LOVE this! Thank you Dover!!!
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 12:19 AM
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32. ...always been attracted to Jung but have never explored him.
This is a great post for a jump start. :)
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 12:23 AM
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33. Yes, that's exactly how I feel.
:)

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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:39 PM
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34. Got it for my partner for a gift.
it's shrink-wrapped dammit. i want to look at it! x(
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 01:03 AM
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35. Hi matariki! I'll bet your sweetie will have to pry it outta your hands
once that shrink wrap comes off...lol! You'll love it (rich with symbology), and hope he does too.
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