Your experience regarding going public with spiritual skills?

[Fire Walk With Me]

Wow, don't know how I managed to click "post" before creating a body for this OP! I'll do so in a reply, but the topic is self-explanatory: What is your experience with letting those around you know that you have spiritual skills? Positive? Negative? In-between, depending upon the persons?

[Fire Walk With Me]

1. I've only recently done so

and although those closest to me always knew that I had "moments", they didn't know that I'd only shared 1% of them.

Growing up, I was intense, weird, and uncontrollable. Goes to early signs of the alcoholism and "extreme" bipolarity with which I'm currently dealing. Suffice to say, I stood out, a lot, and took a large amount of beating down. Perhaps not large, in comparison to stories I've heard, but add in the deep empathic perception of the feelings and dislike of those abusers, on top of the abuse itself. Having these feelings inside me, it became more and more difficult to separate myself and my self-esteem, from their anger and negativity. It got into me. Wondering what was wrong with myself, that they would treat me this way, also became a problem, and admittedly, a typical immature ego's reply to such things. I'm now separate from such, but it's been a struggle. I'm certain that others may identify to some extent, which is partially why I'm posting, aside from the obvious therapeutic angle.

Being extremely uncomfortable regarding sharing myself, much less showing up at all, did not lend me to sharing my deeper insights and skills. Being emotionally overwhelmed resulted in (typical infantile) rebellion, stopping me from being able to be of service at all.

Recently, owing to the change in the world to the positive, and the increasingly positive trend, I have made it public that I have some degree of psychic and empathic ability, in order to present some positive reinforcement regarding the future for myself and others who may wonder or worse, worry. I share what I find, and know that it is easy to be wrong, to misinterpret spiritual information, etc., but wish to add my two cents to the overall discussion, if it may be of benefit to even a single person. (Having been bad, I am in need of service opportunities, and I take this one, as well as in-person tarot, etc.).

However. Understandably, and obviously within expectations, reactions from friends, associates, and enemies vary, but in my case, all are seemingly negative. Is it that I have surrounded myself with the fear-based? Susan Choquette tells of familial support from an early age, regarding her obvious gifts. My path must involve a certain (HA!) amount of being true to myself in spite of. Don't you love character-building?

But, I find, predictably, that those most fearful, are the ones who react with the need (or, "Need") to disprove or to find some limitation regarding my abilities. They do not take it as it is, an opportunity to gain insight, support, and perspective for their lives. They of course take it as a dark challenge, testing, prodding, parading...not understanding that no one, no one at all, would take kindly to having each and every person they meet ask for proof, or to covertly demand proof through parading the obviously incorrect. No one wishes to "dance" whenever anyone (and everyone) says "dance!". And of course, they take such refusal to perform as some sort of proof of the lack of such abilities (at least to an extent not personally threatening them). They do not understand being rebuked for great rudeness. For the additional rudeness of rejecting the blatant proofs already provided. Why do people expect to have their demands met when they're so very rude? I don't know either. They're just afraid, and it becomes tiring to be around the afraid.

I'm still learning how to do readings for those who are aggressive and negative in this way. Still learning to stand up for myself...

So, "Give up. Leave me alone. Take your demands and your games and try something new in your life. Be glad that I'm in recovery or I'd tell you the truth, about you. Why can't you be nice? It would improve your life. Time for us to part ways now, have a good one. I've already provided proof and declared the trend for the next two+ years. Watch and see, and in the mean time, leave me alone. Leave me alone even after you see that I am right. Again. This is me saying that I'm choosing different company. (waves)."

If anyone I've once known can be happy and comfortable with me, and what I am, in the face of this, they're welcome, and always will be. Those who must contest me are not welcome, as they should expect! Duh!

More later.


By the way, stating that you can hear guides or angels is a great way to find yourself in a psych ward, so keep those sorts of questions coming! :rofl: :hi:

(Humorously, my one encounter with a psych ward, due to cresting bipolarity, shows me predicting the future to a few of the staff whom I enjoyed, regarding cuts in social and mental health care funding in California in general. I told them that if it occurred, to take jobs in other states with the VA, which will unfortunately need such service for years to come. Note that this was in March; a bit later, Ahnold cut mental health care services, and today, asks Washington for $8billion, or, he will seriously (further) slash mental and social heath care funding. Even in the psych ward, is prophecy possible--if not utterly predictable, regarding Ahnold and the Republican mandate of making the weak suffer...)

[Celebration]

5. I can think of one person

who avoids me like the plague. Seriously. I'm about the most unintimidating person, too. All I did was offer to muscle test a family member of hers. I think :shrug:?

There are lots of others who think I am a bit nuts but are okay with me anyway. Some may politely listen to me. Others just change the subject.

Others are semi interested in what I do, and a few are more interested than that.

There's one woman that I am in sync with...we both completely understand what the other one is doing. I see her only occasionally because it is about a 35 minute drive to where she lives. I love it when I get together with her.

Now, for the most part, my family either gets it or at least accepts it. One daughter is into it, the others are fine with it, and my hubby just kind of gives a nervous laugh. I haven't even told him I figured out how much I apparently freaked out that one person.

I am able to be "normal" a lot, but I don't really feel like doing a lot of suppressing of energetic work. On the other hand, it's a bit difficult to explain it casually.

Since I do have a website, I was thinking of making some business cards. I'm not much of a promoter, LOL.

[Fire Walk With Me]

12. Sounds pretty good!

And please post your website URL, in a new thread if you wish (or here if not) as I'd love to see what you do/are doing.

:hug:

[winyanstaz]

9. I have always enjoyed your posts and I think you are doing wonderfully :)

Speaking up helps others to be strong about their own selves as well when they find out they are not as alone as they thought so when you make a post like this..you are helping more than you might realize.
I believe that the more we awaken the more we start meeting others that are vibrating along the same frequencies as ourselves.
Unfortunatly...you are correct in that sometimes we end up having to leave some we love behind on our journey.
The good news is..we are all going to wake up one day..sooner or later..so all is swell that ends well as they say :) and the more we raise our own spiritual vibration rates the more others around us will raise as well.
People waking up are like a virus..we "infect" others in a way......or perhaps we are more like that yeast that leavens all around it.

[Fire Walk With Me]

11. Thank you for your kind words!

And for your insight and encouragement. Your straightforward posts on spiritual ability have played a part in encouraging me to do so as well, no matter how they appear to those who do not know.

:hug: :hi:

[winyanstaz]

20. Thank you Fire Walk :) It is good to know that it has helped another

as that is why I do things in public in the first place.
It is probably easier for me to be open as I am an Elder and have already lived a full and very magical life.
The more we trust in our own self...the stronger it gets.

Peace on your journey ....

[mysticalchick]

2. I've been out there for a bit ...

... and everyone who knows me in real life knows I'm a "woo-woo chick". :-) It's really part of who I am. I am not one to ever push anything on people so I just let it come out naturally and if they want to know more, I share. If not, I don't. Most people I find are pretty open to it because I come across as down-to-earth so they don't feel as scared (is that the right word? fearful? not sure) of me and what it means.

The only person in my life who has been openly discrespectful is my hard core fundie evangelical cousin. She's been like that all her life so this is only her most recent thing to latch on to about me. I told her that I am the only one accountable for my life to God and how I choose to walk my path is not her business or concern.

I'm planning on taking my skills to a greater audience online soon and see who feels drawn to me. :)

Good question, FWWM! :) (You have mad skills. This I know!)

[Fire Walk With Me]

13. I am very uncomfortable with our built-in need for the support of others

in order for us to grow...but if it has to be so, then I am grateful for having found this group and persons such as yourself whose obvious skills (used with such obvious comfort) encourages me to both be comfortable about my own and my self.

Peace! :hug: :hi:

[I Have A Dream]

3. I don't really have what you would probably mean by "spiritual skills".

The only thing that I came with is a sort of knowing about some things. Not really events but rather that certain things such as reincarnation and karma are as much a part of reality as gravity is part of reality.

Because of this, I haven't really had to go through what you have, FWWM. I have had a few people feel the need to belittle my beliefs/values, but it's been rare, and when it happens, I just let it go. I just don't discuss those things with them when I have to interact with them. However, I don't pretend that I don't have my beliefs.

You have made such progress so quickly. Kudos to you for doing the work to get there! :)

[Fire Walk With Me]

18. Your steadiness and positive attitude help ground this group.

Didn't you know that? Or is it true humility? :hug:

Thank you for your continuity and encouragement, and dedication to the light. What you bring to ASAH is much priceless and appreciated, by myself and dare I say, the rest of the group. :hi:

(I have made your prayer qualifier "for the greatest possible good for myself and all involved" part of my regimen. Thank you!)

[I Have A Dream]

27. FWWM, I'm not always steady , nor am I always positive.

Thank you for your kind words, though. I can say that I am truly dedicated to the light, and if I can be even a small candle, it's an absolute honor to have the Universe use me in this way.

I've come to understand and accept that my role is to be a regular person in the world and to show that even regular folks like me are able to live a life based upon love and light, even if we're not always successful.

:hug:

[WhiteTara]

19. Dream, you manifest the embodiment of

a spiritual life. You are the inspiration for many, in life, in virtual life and your wisdom is a guiding light for me and many.
:hug:

[I Have A Dream]

28. WhiteTara, I must tell you that as I was reading this...

I saw a vision of our heads joined at the third eye. To me, this is the ultimate expression of kinship. Thank you for your friendship.

[conscious evolution]

4. I scare people

for the most part.Or piss them off.
And thats without going public.
The vast majority of people in this country have been programmed to fear us illuminati so I seldom reveal my abilities to those who are not awake.

[Fire Walk With Me]

14. I have always also made people uncomfortable or even scared.

One person recently to the point that he began shouting over me when I attempted to offer help :rofl:

I hope that you always draw the finest folks to you, when you want them. For some reason, I feel the need to be "public", as I'd felt myself diminishing in having hidden in order to just get through the day. It had become too painful to "hide", although I thoroughly dislike the reactions I get (and have always gotten for various reasons).

I call it "coming out of the bead-curtained closet" :rofl:

[northernlights]

6. other than in a couple forums

I haven't gone "public." Although at my last major job, a co-worker told me that she and another person from our group had started keeping a list of things I said off the top of my head, waiting for them to come true. This was based on them starting to notice that my off-the-cuff predictions tended to come true...

Also back in high school, it became an issue when I told a friend that someone we knew was going to die soon. A couple weeks later, a classmate fell into a coma from an aneurism and died a week later. My friend blamed me, so I stopped sharing those kinds of things. It was the 3rd death I'd foreseen, although only one did I know who would actually leave.

[Fire Walk With Me]

15. Ouch.

Your unfortunate experience with others' bad attitudes reminds me of the Simpsons episode when the comet is going to crash into Springfield and destroy it. When it fizzles out, Moe leads an angry mob to "smash the observatory, so this can never happen again". :rofl:

It is very difficult to share such true visions, especially on such strong subjects as mortality, or the spiritual reasons for mortality and suffering (rape victim opens a chain of women's shelters, etc.). People's egos (mine included) aren't so ready to accept spiritual reasons for death and suffering (see my OP! :rofl: ).

I hope that you may find comfort and welcome in sharing your gift, now and always :hug: :hi:

[WhiteTara]

7. I have never hidden who I am

not that I am all that...but I have practiced my craft openly, held circles, manifested some of my visions.

I joined with the Krishna's in my late 20's and that blew the lid off any misconceptions anyone had that I might be "normal." I only with them for a year and a day then left since I couldn't grok being a "half soul" and when they tried to marry me off, well, I just had to leave. But I gained discipline and learned to chant rounds and rounds of mantras.

My life motto is "never do what you will regret and never regret what you do." So, I spent my life as an explorer and adventurer...sometimes never leaving my living room.

Some people love me, some people hate me, some people are afraid of me and others quote me decades later.

Love live laugh. Death sits on our left shoulder and we must make IT our best friend. (Don Juan)

[Fire Walk With Me]

16. Thank you for sharing your experience, strength, individuality, and joy.

It helps me, so know that it likely helps others :hug: :hi:

[winyanstaz]

8. I came out of the broom closet in the early 80's,,,

and have experienced many different reactions.
One guy screamed in my face in fear just because I took away his toothache pain. I had felt sorry for him because his face was swollen so badly so I reached out and took the pain out. His eyes got big..he slapped his own cheek and then he screamed like a banshee into my face. He stalked me for weeks. He was even peeking into where I worked at the time.
People have started crying when I help them.
Sometimes when I tell them about their childhood they cry also.
I have had students get to sit in the Light in my circles.
People have attacked me verbally many times.
I have never been physically assaulted but as I do martial arts I don't actually worry about that much.
Others are much more open and happy to find me.
People have tried to camp on my doorstep so I would teach them (and I have)
People have almost worshiped me at times which I find annoying and when I show them I am only human and just like them...or try to tell them they can do the same..or I just start goofing off and playing....some have gotten very angry at me for not conforming to their idea of a "holy" person.
Some realize I never claimed to be anything else than a human being and they get over it..some never forgive me.
Some get angry and think I am bragging if I tell some of the things I can do. If some knew all I can do they would probably not believe it anyways or they would be frightened.
Others are joyful and happy to learn. I always learn from them as well.
Many have become my friends for life.
Over the years I have learned to be careful of whom I allow to know me personally and into my home.
I now usually only teach people in person after I see their aura and know how easy it will be for them to See.
People that are awakening always have a lot of golden yellow in their energy field and their aura is bright and clear.
I do not charge for Spiritual or healing work.
However I do post fairly freely on the internet even in non spiritual rooms and have been able to teach people on line to see auras.
If people get angry with me on line..I try not to be angry back because I realize they have no idea who they are messing with :P hahahaa...(just kidding...I don't really turn people into newts or frogs :P )

[I Have A Dream]

10. ...

:D

:loveya:

[Fire Walk With Me]

17. Wow...Thank You.

Being overwhelmed with emotions, I began hiding at an early age. A couple of times in high school, I did things that were Highly Unlikely to occur, and seeing my peers' jaws hanging open, learned rather quickly to stop.

Unfortunately, as such trends go, I continued to stop...to the point of rebellion, and here I am...finding openness and welcome and positive examples when I felt most likely to again be utterly rejected. Thank You. This has been more difficult than I'd expected it to be (as has most of my life). The physical perplexes me. I barely have a clue. The spiritual is more comfortable, and I'd been isolating too deeply.

May your strength and assistance be returned one-hundred fold. It really makes a difference.

:hug: :hi:

[moonbeam23]

21. My experience

Don't claim to have any special skills, but i have studied a lot and have some intuition...been in and out of the closet:hi:

One hardest part for me has been charging for readings and charts...i never felt good about it (spiritual help should not depend on how much money you have)...so i have finally started doing them on a donation basis, which has worked out great...anywhere from free to $50...looking forward to getting online with this concept later this spring, after all these crappy retrogrades lol...

The other hardest part has been when people start treating you like some kind of guru, giving gifts, singing your praises etc...other posters here have referred to this phenomenon...that is SO old age...it is also the way the "dark t-shirts" co-opt some of our best players, by feeding their human ego until it takes them totally off the path :wtf:

The last time this happened i ran straight back into the closet and slammed the door...now i am out again, and feel stronger and more able to cope :)

[Fire Walk With Me]

22. Hi Moonbeam, I hope that you post more and more in the group.

May you gain the stability and comfort such gifts merit. And the retrogrades will definitey keep us busy helping others! :hi:

[mysticalchick]

23. RE: Charging

Speaking for myself only, I charge for the time I spend doing the reading in much the same way a therapist charges for their time or any other professional. There are times when I am guided to do readings at no charge and I always follow that guidance. On the whole, though, I've spent much time honing my skills and I'm comfortable charging for my time.

(Caveat: I respect those who feel that their gifts are to be offered without charge and I am in no way judging that decision.)

[winyanstaz]

24. I respect that too..your time is worth something...

Although I do not charge for healings or spiritual work (like helping someone to get their totem spirit helper back or get out of body or giving a zap)..I do accept donations at my classes.
I also barter because I know people are not always in the position to be able to donate.
My classes I do so I can teach a lot of people all at once..saves me a lot of repeating things but I do also have to pay for the room. I also supply the teas, the napkins, the candles and incense and some of the treats. (we always do a pot luck meal first)and my time is also worth something.
I am also a state registered minister.
I will never get rich doing it this way but we have tons of fun.
Holidays I never charge or accept donations for either as we meet as a circle and not as a class.
However if we go on a field trip and we hire a herbal teacher other than myself I have them donate to the teacher rather than to me in that case as well.
I like getting outside teachers to come in and when we do that...then they are the ones that get the donations as they get to do the work and I just get to play :P. Usually everyone gives around ten bucks each.
I dont do readings for people although I help people learn how to do them for themselves in classes sometimes...so I dont have to think about charging or not for that.
I find nothing wrong with people charging a reasonable amount for their time and energy as they are just as worthy as any other person to earn a living.

[davsand]

25. I was just getting ready to mention barter when I saw your comment.

I feel what I do has a value, that got drilled into my head early on. I also realized early on that there is a frequent tendency to take something more seriously when there is some sort of exchange.

Frankly, I have been looking at this thread for a while now--trying to decide if I wanted to come in here. I have some really mixed feelings about how public I am and how far out of the broom closet I want to be. My life has been one of mixed reactions and for me it has almost become about emotional safety sometimes.

I had a time when I was surrounded by people on a path different than mine and they literally threatened me. I had a time when I was in a regular circle with people who were probably decent enough folks but working thru some pretty awful emotional damage--that came into our circle and ultimately made it impossible to grow. I was rejected out of hand by one circle for not being "our sort" (...whatever that means--I wasn't sure then and still have no clue...)

I have spent several years as a solo, and frankly, I'm fairly ok with that.

Before I married my husband I came out to him. He's fine with who I am but does not follow my path. His mother and father were very involved with a Baptist church, and I figured they had no need to know that aspect of my life--just as my mother and father didn't need to know the specifics. My two SILs know what I am, and one of them, literally, just outed me to my 12 year old daughter at Thanksgiving. (I've been meaning to post on here about that and just haven't been able to face it. I'm still so VERY ANGRY with her for this act.)

In short, I have to say that while I realize there is great power in claiming who we are, I also have experienced enough pain and anger with it that I wonder if the risk is worth it in the end. I just dunno anymore how far out of the broom closet I wanna go.

YMMV, and I do hope it has.


Laura

[Fire Walk With Me]

33. People should indeed respect privacy.

This is why I have a problem with those around me who do not believe in "spiritual abilities" and who test and poke and parade...rude is rude, and won't get you what you want.

I'm sorry that you've experienced that, and may your privacy always be exactly where you wish it, but thank you for joining the thread. No one has to out themselves; I've done so because it's evidently imperative for my path (being comfortable being who and what I am despite others' reactions, which I sense empathically). Being shunned from a group is probably the Universe's way of helping you find where you actually belonged in the first place. I'm experiencing it right now, and have been over the last several years. "Wrong people, wrong place".

Nice to have you here, where you're definitely welcome :hug::hi:

[I Have A Dream]

26. Personally, I feel that spiritual gifts are the same as the gifts that...

left-brained people like myself get from the Universe. I'm a programmer, and I can't imagine being expected to only donate my programming. (i.e., not be able to make a living from this work.) I think that as long as a person who has spiritual gifts who charges for their services is willing to not be paid when the Universe indicates to them that payment is not to be taken, I see absolutely no problem with people who offer spiritual services being fairly compensated for what they offer to the world.

[moonbeam23]

29. i have been rethinking my post yesterday

and realized that i was not entirely clear...i didn't mean that nobody should ever charge for spiritual services...and it was not meant as a criticism of those that do...(unless it's hundreds or thousands of dollars for a workshop, like that negligent clown in Sedona) i just meant that for myself it has been easier to make it "donation" than to have to put a fixed price on something...i agree, my astrology should be worth as much and paid as well as my accounting because i put a lot of time and energy into it, but still...there is something more transcendent about metaphysics...

My ex was an excellent astrologer who spent wayyyy too much time on his readings for what he charged and i used to actually nag him to charge more :evilfrown: Our classes were done for minimal charge and we rented space to other teachers and readers for 5 dollars an hour...after we split up, he raised his fees several times until he was making really good money (i didn't care one way or another by then)

If i needed to charge more money to feed my kids you bet your sweet bippy i would do it in a heartbeat lol...i believe it is a personal choice between us and God what we do and everything we do for others is paid back manyfold by the Universe in more ways than just money, so it all balances out...

i didn't mean to offend anyone here...sorry:blush:

[I Have A Dream]

30. Oh, moonbeam, please don't feel as though my response was a rebuke of you.

I was just trying to lend support to anyone who might make their living through such gifts.

Please accept my apologies if you felt at all criticized. I truly didn't mean it as such. :hug:

By the way, I'm so happy to have you as part of the group. :)

[mysticalchick]

31. Same here, Moonbeam ...

... I didn't take offense at all. I just wanted to share my perspective and add to the conversation.

Really, for me, it comes down to what you're comfortable with and also what you are guided to do. I follow that guidance very closely because it comes from my higher self and I trust that part implicitly. (It's taken me many, many years to be able to do that but I finally got it.)

[moonbeam23]

32. it had nothing to do with either of your replies

i was thinking about it that way not long after i posted that...when transiting moon is in your twelfth, it is easy to put your foot in it...lol...no offense taken from anyone...

i got that idea from a story about a chiropractor who started only doing donations and asking people with more to help subsidize those with less...he said he ended up making more money overall and had a simpler life because he no longer had to deal with the bookkeeping involved...as a business model, i personally would like to see more of that, because it might be beneficial, a kind of voluntary socialism so to speak...:grouphug:

[winyanstaz]

40. I dont think anyone was offended :) I know I wasnt .

Your posts are fine and you have a right to your own opinion and ways :)

[I Have A Dream]

41. Absolutely!

:)

[Fire Walk With Me]

34. Somewhere in this thread I stated that I had done the "highly improbable" in high school

and learned to not do so due to the open mouths of my observing peers.

This has evidently caused some to start fervently gossiping and digging around to see what was what.

I ask them to also refer to my post here regarding how very rude that is, not only in disbelieving the factual information I'd presented in a recent "Dreaming/Intuition" thread, but in also further disbelieving my statements regarding past experiences. Very rude. Rude does not get you what you want. If you do not believe it, then find something else to do with your time. Rent a movie or something.

=If you cannot believe what I have done regarding the prediction of earthquakes, you cannot believe anything else, so why waste both your and my time? If you cannot believe what I have already factually presented, you will not be able to believe the (small) item to which I'd referred. Period.=

You reveal the depth of your own discomfort. It's about you, not about me. Leave me alone. You are not meant to be around such things, as evidenced by your behaviours. If you don't like it, why spend time on it? What is wrong? Leave me alone. I now have to live this way, not the way in which I'd previously. I'm not what I'd presented myself as. Your behaviour lets me know that I was correct to not reveal it previously!

Imagine how angry and fearful you will be if you come to believe these things to be true. Fear and anger are not a part of the way I wish to live. Please leave me alone. I have nothing to prove. You, evidently do.

[I Have A Dream]

35. FWWM, I don't know what has happened, but I'm sorry that something happened to make you upset.

This is supposed to be a safe haven, and I'm so sorry if you no longer feel safe here. Please know that there are many here who greatly value what you say and appreciate your sharing what you get with us.

I'm glad that you have openly addressed the issue.

I'm sending you love, light and supportive energy, my friend.

:hug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

36. Thank you IHAD, it's as stated in the OP, my old friends and associates

who are upset by my public declaration of spiritual ability. I can understand that, but wish they'd take their aggressive and "humor-seeking" attitudes regarding it, elsewhere.

Edit: I'm not "upset" per se, just uncomfortable with this very new experience of having those who have known me for years, thinking and feeling differently about me. Those who imagine that they must be aggresive and manipulative in response are the most disappointing. I'd known that about them already, and now wish to have no further contact as I no longer wish that sort of thing in my life.

What else would one experience when suddenly shouting "I'm psychic" and posting a blog about 2012? :shrug: I'll get used to it, and continue avoiding the land mines.

[davsand]

37. This kind of dysfunction is EXACTLY the crap that keeps me isolated.

Fire Walk, you were offering up opening comments to start a discussion, and somebody felt like they had to mess with you. THAT is exactly the kind of petty bullshit that keeps me a solo.

My first introduction to the social aspects of the arcane world came when I ran across a man who was part of an existing circle that had some ideas that made my skin crawl. He was the one who taught me to read tarot cards. My memories of that man and my time with him are literally dark ones. He lived in a basement, he had very low level lighting and he wore black ALL the time.

Imagine, if you will, being a kid confronted with older people working blood magic. There was no graceful way out of it, and I lacked the ability and training to do much in the way of self defense or even self protection. I did learn tarot under an experienced reader, but it was at a horrible price.

I'd venture into the local occult bookstore (remember--25 years ago this was a different world) and I'd see posters on their bulletin board about discussion groups for subjects like "paganism," "goddess worship," or "psychic experiences." Finally, I screwed up my courage and took a male friend of mine with me to a discussion group about goddess based religions.

In a couple of months it had turned into a circle, and there were a couple of women in that circle
who were clearly dealing with some serious life traumas at that time. The dependency was overwhelming and for several months my friend and I both lived in dread of the phone ringing because one woman had a crisis EVERY freaking day. She felt that because we were in her circle we were supposed to be her 24/7 psychiatric hotline. Finally that all reached a breakpoint and the circle blew apart.

It got to a point (IMO, anyway) that I felt like most of the people I met in the "woo-woo" community were just kinda skating on the verge of being nuts. They were working out any number of personal issues that made it really difficult for me to deal with them, so I spent a few years not talking to anybody but doing a large amount of reading.

The internet was a huge awakening for me. I finally had the ability to interact with other people without risking too much on a personal level. I find that it is easier to walk away from the people who want to control me and the ones who want to intimidate me. If somebody hits the level of annoyance I can tune them out a lot easier online. I have always felt that the study of the arcane seems to attract a diverse group of people and the anonymous nature of the Internet makes it much easier to avoid the more unpleasant aspects of that. DU has, thus far, provided me with enough safety that I have been able to hang here and learn.

I am sorry that has been denied to you.


Laura

[Fire Walk With Me]

42. I'm so sorry for your bad experiences!

I hope that they have made you strong and independent (and certainly suspicious of nonsense, which is very important as we get into co-creator energy)!

This is my initiation/right of passage. Decades ago, a powerful psychic told me that I had to learn to become comfortable, making people uncomfortable. Not doing so has had a terrible price, to the point where I've -had- to be true to myself and go public. I am good about all of this, it is strengthening me quite rapidly in an area where I've truly required new strength- the psychic was exactly correct, and I'm now in the midst of so doing.

Thank you very much for your support and kind words, and for sharing your experience. It is valuable in helping me continue in this growth! :hug:

[WhiteTara]

38. FWWM, I am so sorry for your distress!

Of course it is possible to know things before they happen. I'm sorry some are such fools and that they can be so hurtful. BIG :hug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

43. Thank you

Big :hug: in return :hi:

[winyanstaz]

39. Dear Fire walk with me.....

Don't let people get to you..you are fine just as you are..and as you are waking in consciousness..people that are not..cannot possibly relate until it happens to them. :)
You are safe here and among friends. Just ignore the twits :) and dont worry about other people.
You see..no matter what we say or do..or dont say or do..there is always some twit ready to make trouble. Forget about them..their opinion does not matter as they simply dont know any better. All that matters is your OWN reality and feelings and experiences.
Personnaly I have never meet a psychic that woke up one day and was all powerful or all knowing. For each of us it is a life-times experiences and when you are waking up..they can be very unusual to say the least :)
Your enemies will never be happy or agree to accept your explanations or accept apologies no matter what......and your real friends don't need an apology or an explanation.
It is sad to leave some friends behind on our journey..but in the end..they will find their way as well.
:) You go fire!...and trust in yourself and you will be fine.
here is a fire chant..

Spirit of fire..come to us..
we will kindle the fire..
Spirit of fire..come to us..
we will kindle the fire..
We will kindle the fire..
dance the magic circle round..
we will kindle the fire..we will kindle the fire.

Here is a link so you can hear the tune...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0gqI6koJw

[Fire Walk With Me]

44. Thank you winyanstaz.

My post has reached them (as intended) and slowed them down. Perhaps they'll eventually find something positive to do, as opposed to causing trouble (especially to someone who once was a "friend". Showing me how much they ever valued their "friends".) :|

:hi:

[Fire Walk With Me]

45. I have not yet found "the right audience" so this sucks.

No one has sufficient time to call "bullshit" to all of the people who wish to test me, both on the internet and in person. In itself, it would be a full-time job. It is also tedious and irritating, because those who test are the type who would deny having tested (needing to stay in their comfort zone).

I'm only going to be doing card readings for people who have some level of kindness in them, and who would use the information for their own good. Regarding public predictions...if two out of two earthquakes in a single three month period isn't enough (and my Jan 5 post regarding praying for an increase in charity prior to the terrible Haitian quake, and the extremely obvious increase in charity with even more being planned this very day) then nothing except drastic, astonishing =individual and personal= experiences would change your minds. And I don't have time to individually convince those wishing to find security to being able to maintain their conniving states of mind-- those who most wish for there to be no people who can see, are those who most have something to hide. And who enjoy easy targets. Grow the fuck up, if that doesn't cause adequate shame within you. I'm not interested in outing any of you. You are responding to fear, and nothing else. Except destruction for its own sake.

Simply because I do not call bullshit to each and every attempt to draw me into calling bullshit does not mean that I have no ability to see it. You are simply unaware of my continuing, massive attempts at patience and politeness, in hopes to present a mirror to your behaviour so that you may recognize the impudence of your actions. Please recognize the impudence of your action and leave me alone. (Yeah, right.) Something tells me that those who wish to screw me over (again) seek to find leverage in these very posts. No thanks, I have no need to again visit the psych ward (or similar demonstrations of dominance/destruction, including using these very words to question my status--- get it?). Sorry, I'm not paranoid, and I'm not a danger to myself or to others. This is my religious freedom, and I have a right to it. I'm no longer operating from anger (bipolarity is now treated), I'm simply disgusted at some people. Given this incredible new energy, the opportunity for positive change is nearly total. If you want it.

Here's wishing some will want it.

To me, the meaning of such spiritual ability is to explore the truth and to move into the greater good, personally and as a species. As my journey has unfortunately taken me into dark places (I =started= with good connection to the Light), I am sometimes able to see the dark side of things, such as Republicans using Machiavellian and sadistic/pavlovian programming against the general public. I've been posting about such things for several years, please check my journal archives. And I've yet to find anyone who cares, or to rally anything resembling agreement or its resulting work towards positive change. I'll continue as I value the potential of the species especially in the increasingly positive energy. That in itself is worth hanging in for, at minimum to be of service and to rapidly accelerate personal growth.

Sometimes freedom comes not from choosing it directly, but from understanding and rejecting that which obstructs it.

Peace and love to all who actually support positive growth and the spiritual. And to all those who oppose it.

[conscious evolution]

47. unfortunately taken me into dark places

Going into the dark places is a job requirment for spirit warriors,imo.
How else are we going to illuminate that which resides in the dark?
How are we going to know WHAT to illuminate?

Lighting a candle on a sunny day is a waste.Its better to save the candle for the night so that others may see also.

[Fire Walk With Me]

49. I'm an Aries. I can't wait. I CAN'T! rofl

"I am sometimes able to see the dark side of things, such as Republicans using Machiavellian and sadistic/pavlovian programming against the general public. I've been posting about such things for several years, please check my journal archives. And I've yet to find anyone who cares, or to rally anything resembling agreement or its resulting work towards positive change."

(waving candles, wanting immediate results) :rofl: :hi:

[Fire Walk With Me]

48. Ah, feels good. I needed to do that.

Needed to get out some of that old pain in order to be more Authentic. Sorry to any it may have stung. Part of healing...

[NuttyFluffers]

46. i use discretion; know your audience, y'know?

not all people can deal with it. if they think i'm crazy, well i'm the most sedate and sane sounding crazy person they know -- even more sedate and sane sounding than a lot of "normal" people (i believe we're all special and unique, like snowflakes!). but i cannot help be who i am, nor do i find the ego need for acceptance to alter them from who they are to what i want or need. some people cannot accept, fine, i accept their inability to accept. i do not push my friendships further than the other person is capable of giving.

that said, a lot of people are at least polite. they may think i'm crazy, but at least they give a polite silence and smile. some on the other hand really do sync on that level, and others are at least curious. the best i do is try to keep most of my experiences grounded and relate the most relevant ones.

i do have moments where i psychically slip into a stupor, particularly around meeting certain people i likely had karma with, or during massive psychically charged current events. like lately, the Mass. election and the recent SOTU had me literally drifting the whole day in and out of unconsciousness. other times i run across disturbingly exact precognition and de ja vu; sometimes i can even feel those precog and de ja vu moments as though i am slipping between parallel timelines. freaks a few people out when i give the spacy, slightly bewildered look at my surroundings, but hey, they should go through what i'm seeing. other times i fall into a "state of grace," is all i can think to call it, and everything becomes almost like an effortless anticipatory dance. like i went to the higher heavens and some angelic receptionist is going through my motions with an unnerving calm as it predicts and gracefully handles every next event in the future. i like those moments, but i will say they do seem to unnerve friends and co-workers when i lapse into such a state.

but it cannot be helped. it is what it is, why fight it? if there are those who feel threatened by it and cannot abide by it, well, don't talk about it. but if the strange happens, i don't really know how to fight it or turn it off, so why bother? they'll have to come up with their own explanations, if they need 'em.

so relax. enjoy your outsider status. only you can give others the power over you to make you anxious.