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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 02:28 PM
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Dreams and a recent death
Not my dreams, but the dream of a young widow to be and the brother of the deceased.
First, you have to know the story:
A good friend, the brother of my best friend from schooldays, was killed in a tragic accident weekend before last. He was teaching his son to drive, and they were in his Ford pickup (a large one, I think a F350 or larger) and were on a side road following his brother, who was driving his own truck ahead of them. The son lost control and overcorrected; he also had his foot on the gas instead of the brake (a common mistake, I've heard) and the truck went over on the other side of the road and rolled twice. The father, my friend, took off his seat belt to get over and help correct the truck, but it rolled and he was thrown through the windshield and landed 30 feet away; he died instantly of massive head injuries. The son was injured, but will recover; he had cuts on his arm and bruises from the seat belt, and a broken collarbone.
The brother saw it all happen in the rear view mirror. He got out and ran to his brother, and held his lifeless body until the paramedics came, sobbing in the gravel that was in the ditch.
The night before the brother woke up past midnight, outside in his underwear, about the same place the accident occurred (it happened just in front of his house.) He had never, to his knowledge, ever sleepwalked before. His body was covered with gravel that had stuck to his skin, so he had been out there for some time. He had to look in his truck for keys to let himself back in the house, where he returned to bed.
That same night, the wife of the dead man dreamed that she saw him in his coffin. She leaned over the coffin and he sat up and then vanished before her eyes.
She told him about her dream over coffee the next morning; he laughed and said, "I'm happy here; I won't leave you!"
A few minutes later his brother came over and told him about his wild night.
Several hours later, the accident occurred.
I just heard all this yesterday from my friend, the sister. When I was at the wake last week, I went over to where the casket was and I a strange sensation that he was about to open his eyes and sit up. It was very strange -- I've never had that feeling around bodies before,and since I'm an empath, I thought I should. That is why dead people don't bother me at all. I don't feel their spirit is there. But this man was there. I felt it.
What do any of you make of this?
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 04:43 PM
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1. Pray for your departed friend
I have dreamed about the future but I think that sometimes what we see is a way to prepare us to cushion us against the shock of what's coming. Sometimes what we see comes true just as we see it and sometimes it changes slightly so that there is a different outcome.
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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:13 PM
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2. Not to make light of what you said, but I'm not into deities.
So praying to one would be fruitless, in my opinion. However, I do believe there were forces at work here that were very strange and very interesting. I certainly hope that my friend is not hanging around on earth, but it would be just like him to do that. He left a very important business that employed 100 or so people and had hundreds of customers all over the country; a new wife and 6-month old baby.

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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:44 PM
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3. I believe there are forces beyond our understanding
honor your friend and think positive thoughts about him, believe me
it helps him and it helps you by giving you grace, you can call it
grace or positive vibes, it's there
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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:08 PM
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4. Ok, that I can do.
I was there for my friend, his sister, and I did all the right things; but I have mixed emotions about this guy. I liked him a lot - and most people did. But he was far from a saint. He was married six times. This last wife was 23 years his junior, and there was already trouble in paradise. He was a control freak, and somewhat abusive of women in a passive way -- he liked to play around and he liked to come and go as he pleased. But on the upside, he was loved by his employees and he was loved by his family and friends. His ex-wives hated him -- expecially number 5 -- but he had lots of fans.

I'd like to light a candle or something, but I don't know what to do really. I'm too pragmatic to thing positive thoughts all the time -- I'm a realist. But I do hope he is able to "go to the light" or whatever.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 04:28 PM
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7. Just visualize an easy way for him
think of a sunny happy place and think of him there, I really think
that positive thoughts, praising the person, maybe playing a favorite
song, honor them and makes it easier
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:18 PM
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5. He has a lot to bind him to this world.
It sounds as if he had a lot here to make him want to stick around, even if his body is gone. Traumatic death is a very sudden change (not terribly profound, but I can't think of any better way to express it) and some souls do not adjust immediately at the time of death. Your friend may stick around for a bit until he sees that his loved ones are gonna be ok.

His 16 year old will have some rough times ahead, his wife will go thru a lot, and so will his brother. Once he sees that they can and will survive, I'm betting he'll let go and his spirit will move on.

He must have been quite a strong soul and his family must have loved him a great deal.

Peace to you all.



Laura


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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 08:27 AM
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6. Thanks for your post. And yes, we loved him.
Saddest of all, he and his wife had just bought a new $550,000 home (and in our area, that is some house) on 10 acres outside of town; they were still moving in. Now she has decided not to keep the house and is moving back to their old place, which they still own.
Very sad.

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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 07:53 AM
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8. That poor kid!
My heart goes out to him. I wonder if the dreams his loved ones had were in part for the boy who was driving. The dreams make it sound like it was "his time" and though it's sad that his son was such a part of it, maybe in time that will help him. The man took his seat belt off...which was more the act that killed him then the accident itself. Again I say that hoping it can help the boy in time.

We don't know what souls do when free of the body. Maybe some stay because they are stuck here, maybe some stay for other reasons.

The way he treated some people might be part of the problem. On the other hand that might be the role he came to play this life. It's like I told my kids once when I heard them call someone an asshole. If people need lessons in dealing with assholes, someone has to be the asshole for us to learn through. We don't have to like them or choose to be around them, we just can't judge the worth of their soul. They might be "an asshole for God".

We don't know or have to know. Friend or foe, alive or dead, beloved or stranger, it never hurts to visualize them in light and simply release them. Maybe we open our hands or visualize releasing balloons to "feel" the release. We don't know the best path for a soul, but their light does.

Light to them all.
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japple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:09 AM
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9. Thank you jbnow for putting my thoughts into words.
I was thinking the same thing, but couldn't come up with the words to express it.

Pink Tiger,I've read that when a body dies suddenly, like your friend, sometimes their spirit or soul wanders around a bit before it finds its way back to the light. You could communicate to his oversoul (higher self) that he can ask for help, if he needs it, in finding his way to the light.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 11:08 AM
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10. I lost a friend about 20
years ago. She was 33 and died from brain cancer. She was a perfectionist housekeeper. Had three young children. I felt her around me for years, especially when I was cleaning house. Judy was there! I just knew it.

Our old puppy who left came to me in a dream wagging her tail and telling me she was so much happier. I saw her walking with a woman in another town years later. I know it was her.

My dad came in dreams for a couple of years. Once I even told him, "daddy, you are dead!" I think he reincarnated or went on to wherever he needed to go eventually.

I don't doubt you felt it. Whether or not you should DO anything about it, I cannot say. I just let them hang around awhile and didn't feel a need to hurry them along. In fact I enjoyed them hanging around.
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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 11:59 AM
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11. I feel his presence. I think he is very much here.
The house they were going to buy has a strange history; a man and his wife built it as their dream home, then a grown son was killed in a car accident and they decided to sell it; Then this guy buys it and dies in a car accident.
Tragic.
He will go on as soon as he can, I feel. He is tugged here by earthly desires, but these can't fulfill him now.
It is unlike with my father, when he died in 1988. I felt his absence, rather than his presence. That is what made it so sad. My father died after being in a coma with parkinson's disease for a year. I think he had left his body way before he died. Mom told me she felt that he had, too. He loved trips and loved to go places, and I'm sure he took the first opportunity to leave.
With my friend, he also loved trips. He won't be able to be bound to the land or to the earth. He will leave. In fact, he may already be going to the light.
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