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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 09:06 AM
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Albert Einstein on Astrology
(cont. from Sir Isaac Newton)

Einstein's immense contribution to mankind is his "special theory of relativity that mass and energy are both but different manifestations of the same thing" (his own words). This is what priests and astrologers have been talking about forever. But before you go further, you may want to re-examine exactly what "mass" is, and how it differs from "weight" by clicking here.

Considered by many to be the greatest astrophysicist who ever lived, Albert Einstein (1879-1955) took the next step beyond Newton by postulating that there was an equivalence between all matter and energy in the universe, and that that equivalence is quantifiable by the simple equation e = mc2. In that equation "e" stands for energy, "m" stands for mass, and "c" stands for the speed of light. Thus the amount of energy in any body is equal to its mass (its weight divided by the planet's pull that gives it its weight) times the speed of light squared (the speed of light times itself). Since light goes 300 million meters per second, and the speed of light squared is 9x1016 (90 quadrillion) meters per second, there's a lot of energy in matter! This is how stars shine, how the universe makes a living, and how atomic and hydrogen bombs are able to liberate as much energy as they do.

Stars shine because they convert matter into energy. At the Sun’s core, for example, the pressure is 250 billion times sea level on Earth, the density more than 150 times that of water, and the temperature is 15.6 million degrees. The pressure is so great at the center of the Sun that the lightest gas in the universe, hydrogen, is 14 times denser than lead there! Under this tremendous pressure ionized hydrogen atoms, protons, are fused together to form ionized helium. But two protons stuck together have about 7% less mass than two separate protons. This 7% mass loss in fusing two protons together is released as energy to the tune of Einstein's e = mc2, and is where stars get the juice to shine for billions of years.

From e = mc2 we can calculate that the amount of energy in a raisin is equivalent to that released by 10,000 tons of TNT! This is how the Sun is able to emit 386 billion billion (not a typo!) megawatts every second. The entire Earth would need one million years to make that much energy at current rates. At the center of the Sun 700 million tons of hydrogen are converted by nuclear fusion to about 695 million tons of helium and 5 million tons of gamma ray energy every second. Since its birth 4.6 billion years ago, the Sun has burned up about half of the hydrogen in its core. It will continue to burn as it does now for about another five billion years, during which time it will become twice as bright. Eventually it will run out of hydrogen, undergoing changes that will totally destroy the Earth.

"Astrology is a science in itself and contains an illuminating body of knowledge. It taught me many things, and I am greatly indebted to it. Geophysical evidence reveals the power of the stars and the planets in relation to the terrestrial. In turn, astrology reinforces this power to some extent. This is why astrology is like a life-giving elixir to mankind." - ALBERT EINSTEIN

http://www.myastrologybook.com/Albert-Einstein-history-of-astrology.htm
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 11:20 PM
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1. Thanks Dover. I hadn't known Einstein considered Astrology.
:hi:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:15 AM
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 12:28 PM
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3. please see below, greyl
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 12:32 PM by Desertrose


ALBERT EINSTEIN ON THE SCIENCE OF ASTROLOGY

Subject: Albert Einstein on Astrology
From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
Date: July 8, 2002

"Astrology is a science in itself and contains an
illuminating body of knowledge. It taught me many things
and I am greatly indebted to it. Geophysical evidence
reveals the power of the stars and planets in relation to
the terrestrial. In turn, astrology reinforces this power
to some extent. This is why astrology is like a life
giving elixir to mankind."

Source - "Cosmic Religion With Other Opinions and
Aphorisms," Covici Friede, New York, 1931.

End of forwarded message


Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

= = =

From: mpm3a@Virginia.EDU (Mary P. Marcantel)
Subject: Re: Einstein and Astrology
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Message-ID: <DqsBBI.Gxn@Virginia.EDU>
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:35:41 GMT

<...>

Ahem...lurker here.
Jai didn't make up the book--I have my copy right in front
of me, a batter old thing 109 pages long, published in
1931, which is probably why it's both out of print, and the
company out of business (not all businesses folded right
away after the Crash of `29, some did a few years later).
The book's full title is: COSMIC RELIGION: WITH OTHER
OPINIONS AND APHORISMS.
Here's a quote from this book (the chapter titled "On
Science," pp. 97-98):

"I believe in intuition and inspiration... Einstein's] At times I feel certain I am right while not
knowing the reason. When the eclipse of 1919 confirmed my
intuition, I was not in the least surprised. In fact, I
would have been astonished had it turned out otherwise.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. For
knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the
entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to
evolution. It is, strictly speaking, a real factor in
scientific research.

"THE BASIS OF ALL SCIENTIFIC WORK IS THE CONVICTION THAT
THE WORLD IS AN ORDERED AND COMPREHENSIVE ENTITY, WHICH IS
A RELIGIOUS SENTIMENT. MY RELIGIOUS FEELING IS A HUMBLE
AMAZEMENT AT THE ORDER REVEALED IN THE SMALL PATCH OF
REALITY TO WHICH OUR FEEBLE INTELLIGENCE IS EQUAL."


This book also contains Einstein's musings about the Jews,
especially in a chapter called "The Jewish Homeland," as
well as his thoughts on pacifism. In addition, there is
"An Appreciation" by George Bernard Shaw, the text of which
is actually "from an address delivered at the dinner for
Professor Einstein in London, October 27, 1930," footnote
at the bottom of p. 31.

You cynics out there may dismiss Einstein's words, but the
fact is that this book is real (albeit hard to find); it
was written by Albert Einstein (yes, *that* Albert
Einstein, the father of Relativity) and published by
Covici-Friede in New York, in 1931.

And Paul : You owe Jai and every astrologer you've
so smugly maligned, an apology. Not that I'm holding my

-- Pamela Marcantel

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti



http://www.scienceone.org/ALBERT_EINSTEIN_ON_THE_SCIENCE_OF_ASTROLOGY-6340725-4262-a.html

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:55 PM
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:35 PM
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6. Do you have a copy of this book yourself?
I do not have one available...they are very scarce & expensive.....I will certainly look at a copy if I can get my hands on one...until that time I have to go by those who have seen it.

I have your word it is BS and anothr that it was indeed true.

See post #3

..if facts differ than I will wait til such a time that I can see the book for myself.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:43 PM
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7. Going to the source....
"COSMIC RELIGION: WITH OTHER
OPINIONS AND APHORISMS."

I will see if I can get this book from our library - interesting but probably slightly over my head...:-)

DemEx
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 06:10 AM
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10. Who is the other that says the quote is true?
Jay?
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:29 PM
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5. This seems to be a controversial quote, DR....
I wonder if Einstein really said that in this context...

I can imagine that he did, for I believe that he was open to all possibilities.


:hi:


DemEx
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:35 AM
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8. He was really quite a metaphysical sorta guy
at least from my perspective, from what I've read of him.

A Venusian, like Tesla and several others, I've read.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:02 AM
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9. A Venusian? Please explain that reference - it seems to
be something I don;t know.

thanks.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:46 AM
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11. More from Einstein:
All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree.

.....

As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.

.....

Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.

.....

Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for insects as well as for the stars. Human beings, vegetables or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance.

.......

Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted.

.......

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

.....

I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.

.....

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.

....

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

....

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:46 PM
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12. I like all of those very much.
This is my favorite:
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."

and this one ain't so bad either: "The important thing is not to stop questioning."
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:46 AM
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13. I love that one, too.
Curiosity is the fuel that drives inquiry, and discovery. I like to remain open to possibilities; to ask questions, and pursue discoveries. I am such that I don't need "final answers" to questions. I think that some questions may remain unanswered for now, and that no answers are yet "complete."


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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:44 AM
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14. link to pdf of a book discussing this
Redirecting you to http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/chapters/s6681.pdf

The link will download a pdf file of the first chapter of a book by Max Jammer, Einstein and Religion.
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Cadence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 04:07 PM
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15. Well look at the impact
the moon has on the ocean. I don't think astrology is that much of a reach, when you consider that planets and moons have a physical impact on the water on the planet. The human body is over 80% water.

Thanks for the post. :hi:
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 12:40 PM
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16. planets and moons?
The Earth's Moon has a gravitational effect on the Earth's oceans. The other planets and their moons technically have a similar effect, but they are so far away that their effect is far too small to be measured.

Similarly, you could calculate the effect the gravity of celestial objects has on your own body. (Whether you're made of water or cheese is irrelevant; the only important factor is your *mass.*) Again, this is vanishingly small.

But astrology is not about claiming that the planets exert miniscule tugs on your physical body. Astrologers claim that the location of the planets influences your emotions and relationships.

F=G(M*m)/(r^2) in no way accounts for such claims. Moving from the physical theory of gravity to the metaphysical claims of astrology is a very large "reach" indeed.
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