Understanding What The Astral Plane Is (A Scientific Viewpoint)

[Popol Vuh]

In the last few decades science has become aware of the serious limitations of human visual perception. The human eye is sensitive to only a narrow band of radiation. We see only the wavelength between .00007cm and .00004cm; the rest of the electromagnetic wave spectrum remains invisible to us. In fact, only a few one-hundred-thousandths of a centimeter make the difference between visibility and invisibility. Yet all of us are literally swimming in a sea of energy, immersed in a ocean of electromagnetic waves: gamma rays, X rays, ultraviolet and infrared rays, microwaves, radio waves, and shortwaves, to name just a few.

When we feel the heat of the sun, for example, we are feeling the result of invisible infrared rays; their wavelength is a little too long for our retina to detect even though our skin will register the rays as heat.

In effect, our perception of the universe is based upon only a tiny fraction of the energy around us. Even more shocking is the recognition that our current scientific technology detects only a portion of the entire energy spectrum. Most scientists believe that the electromagnetic wave spectrum continues far beyond our technological vision and possibly into infinity.

When we put this into perspective, we recognize that each of us is visually aware of only three-one-hundred-thousandths (.00003) of a centimeter of the energy radiation around us. We, who see so little of the universe, are quick to reach conclusions and judgments based upon the narrow limits of our vision. Our perspective of the universe, and of reality itself, is severely limited by the narrow range of our physical senses.

When we look around, we see a world of solid objects. On the surface, reality appears to consist of three-dimensional form and substance. Yet, as science explores deeper into the unseen heart of matter, remarkable discoveries are being made. Einstein's famous equation E=MC² tells us that matter is nothing more than a form of energy---in a sense, stored energy temporarily molded to construct the physical objects around us.

Once we recognize that all matter is actually energy, we can begin to realize that our surroundings are not completely what they seem. Quantum theorists no longer consider energy to be particle like in nature. Subatomic particles are no longer viewed as static things but as four-dimensional entities in space-time. In fact, the elemental particles of our reality (quarks and so on) are no longer considered substance at all. When physicists observe elemental particles, they describe them as dynamic patterns, constantly moving and changing into one another. Quantum mechanics has shown us that the elemental building blocks of our reality are not material but are patterns of energy.

Quantum physics has proved that our current physical concepts of form and substance are obsolete; not only is matter energy, but all energy is essentially nonphysical in nature.

When we examine the evolution of science over the last few decades, we see a growing body of evidence supporting the multidimensional structure of matter and the universe (string theory demands it). And the latest discoveries of quantum physics provide numerous examples. Also significant is the growing number of physicists, and astrophysicists who believe in the existence of parallel universes. When we look at history, we see that the idea of heaven or nonphysical universes is one of the oldest and most widely held beliefs of humanity. The concept of heaven appears in every culture and religion.

The Jewish and Christian religions teach the existence of three universes or dimensions: the physical world, heaven, and hell. Catholicism added a fourth with the concept of purgatory. In the Koran, Mohammed speaks of seven heavens or universes. When we examine religions and cultures around the world, the concept of unseen heavens or universes of energy is without a doubt the most universal belief of humanity. Today practically every religion and culture has incorporated this concept. Even though this is likely the most widely held theory in human history, verifiable evidence concerning the unseen heavens continues to elude humankind. Out-of-body exploration (astral projection) provides powerful personal verification that the religious "heavens" described in the scriptures of your religion actually do exist. Firsthand exploration have proved that the biblical heavens are in reality the unseen energy environments that make up the multidimensional universe.

At this point it is important for me to point-out that matter in the nonphysical universes (the astral plane) is extremely sensitive to thoughts and its the collective thoughts of millions of people (none physical people) who create their heaven. So yes, their is more than one heaven, and yes their is a hell. But there are also many other existences in the astral plane -- one other being the nonphysical part of our own physical universe. On that note I should point out that our physical universe is just the thin crust of the multitude of nonphysical dimensions.

As scientists continue to focus on external matter, another group of people are bypassing the traditional scientific methods of our current technological evolution and expanded human explorations into undiscovered areas of the universe. This is being achieved by incorporating self-controlled nonphysical explorations (astral projection) into the unseen substructure of the universe. The discoveries made during these nonphysical explorations provide revolutionary new insights into the unseen structure of the universe, our existence, and our continuation after death.

Based on out-of-body observations, all energy dimensions exist here and now. The seen and unseen universe is a continuum of energy frequencies. Each dimension exists independently according to its individual frequency, yet they are all linked by the flow of nonphysical energy. Each dimension of energy is interconnected with its energy neighbors to form a complete system---the multidimensional universe.

Each dimension encountered after we shed the physical body is progressively less dense in its vibrational substance. In effect, the universe can be compared with an energy wave spectrum. All the energy dimensions exist simultaneously within the same space-time continuum. For example, when I'm out-of-body I can occupy the same space as a physical wall or ceiling. I'm not separated from the physical wall by distance or time but rather by my individual energy frequency. During an out-of-body or near-death experience, we transfer our conscious awareness from our physical body to our higher frequency nonphysical body -- when our physical body dies our higher frequency body is instantly severed from the physical body.

One thing is certain. Decades of nonphysical explorations and millions of near-death experiences consistently point to a single conclusion: the direct substructure of the physical universe is a subtle form of energy undetectable by our current physical technology. This unseen energy is highly organized, structured, and supportive of the outer physical universe. The incredible amount of interdependence existing between the unseen, nonphysical dimensions and the outer physical crust of the universe points to a much more complex system of energy than modern technology and science are currently able to observe.

When we recognize the multidimensional structure of the universe, we realize that physical observation alone are inadequate. The galaxies and matter we observe around us are not the entire universe, as we assume, but only the dense outer dimension or molecular crust of the complete universe. The volume of the visible universe amounts to perhaps less than one-tenth of one percent of the multidimensional universe. Clearly, any scientific conclusion or theory based entirely upon observation of matter is built upon incomplete data. Each new nonphysical exploration into the interior of the universe substantiates this observation. Ask any of the millions of people who have had a near-death or out-of-body experience and they will agree: the universe is far more expansive and complicated than current physical science can even begin to comprehend or explain. As millions of people every year have out-of-body and near-death experiences, the reality of the multidimensional universe and its energy reactions will be recognized as observable fact.


(References: The Tao Of Physics and Adventures beyond the body).

[I Have A Dream]

1. Very, very interesting post, Popol Vuh.

It is extremely frustrating to me to speak with people who say that if we can't prove something by scientific methods, then it is not real. True -- it's not scientifically proven, but it doesn't make it not real. As soon as you mention that you believe it because you have experienced it with your senses or through secondary methods, it's invalidated and ridiculed. I'm not saying that experiencing it with our senses or secondary methods makes it real, but it doesn't make it NOT real. For example, until recently in human history, we couldn't absolutely prove that germs existed. However, we knew that when we washed our hands prior to doing certain things, people got sick less often. When we invented microscopes, we were finally able to see what we suspected. This type of thing shows that what we can scientifically-prove is limited by our current scientfic knowledge, which is not everything in the universe. Why we think that we have already discovered all of the rules of physics, etc. is beyond me.

Another thing about this post that got me thinking was whether you think that the "hell" dimension that you discuss is a lower frequency than our current frequency and that the "heaven" dimension that you describe is a higher frequency. What are your thoughts here?

Thank you for all of your efforts in reference to this post!

[Popol Vuh]

2. Hi I Have A Dream, how are you? :)

As soon as you mention that you believe it because you have experienced it with your senses or through secondary methods, it's invalidated and ridiculed.

Man that is such a true statement isn't it. I have a personal theory why many people are so closed minded like this. I will refer to it as the bad child / parent in denial syndrome. What I mean is: just like confronting the parent of a bad child who will get angry at you and accuse you of trying to sabotage their child's good name, many people are just as extremely resistant in opening their minds to the possibility that their sense of reality may not be exactly what they have grown to believe. They'll resist any challenge to their basic beliefs no matter what you offer them.

It reminds me of that one scene in the movie The Matrix where Morpheus advises Neo that all the people stuck in the matrix are so reliant to it and inept to consider anything else that they will fight you to preserve it.

So I have always avoided conflict with people who display resistance and are set in their ways. I just respect their beliefs in which they are entitled to and avoid provoking conflict with their strong held beliefs.

But boy I sure do agree with you, it sure can be very frustrating.

Another thing about this post that got me thinking was whether you think that the "hell" dimension that you discuss is a lower frequency than our current frequency and that the "heaven" dimension that you describe is a higher frequency. What are your thoughts here?

No I don't think that at all. In fact, all nonphysical dimensions are higher in frequency than the outer crust which is the known physical universe. At this point I want to WARN people to be very careful about thinking of such things when projecting into the astral plane. The astral plane is very thought responsive and believe you me, you do not want to screw around with such negative thoughts -- especially if you're inexperienced.

I shouldn't of even mentioned this particular point because it could provoke random negative thoughts that you'll have to control while you're projecting. Although nothing in the astral can physically harm you, however I am not entirely certain that you cannot be damaged in a way that can be considered similar to a bad LSD trip. Also I should point out that while you are out of your physical body, no other entity can take control of your physical body because we are connected to it via a silver like umbilical cord --however it is possible to give permission. It should also be noted that we all have spirit guides (call them guardian angles if you wish) and they do watch over you. You can call on them for help, and you can call on them to show themselves to you -- but they do have rules which may make it inappropriate to show themselves to you at a particular time. They are there mostly to help you learn by using different means, mostly these are symbolic things that they will place for you to see. I also think that they are responsible for "snapping" you back to your physical body when you are in some kind of danger. But just thinking of your physical body or usually just looking at your physical body will instantly snap you back. Remember, "thoughts" are very reactive in the astral.

[I Have A Dream]

4. Thank you for the additional clarification. I personally do not have...

the ability to astrally projections, and if I'd try it at this point, it would definitely not be wise given my current knowledge of the process. It is good to know though that we are protected by our guides from external forces.

In reference to this guide issue, do you think that a person gets more guides or more experienced guides as one evolves, or do you think that all guides are the same regardless of spiritual evolutionary level?

Finally, do you think that more things can be "seen" when one's vibratory frequency is raised? If so, what, in your opinion, can be done to raise one's frequency, and what things will lower one's frequency?

Thanks for your insight!

[NJCher]

3. The Holographic Universe

I read a book about this called The Holographic Universe. It is by Michael Talbot and he even talks about the lag in how our culture views the world and how scientists think of it, like what is described in the OP.

I think that when we meditate or interact with our dreams, it has an effect on our vibrational frequencies. I know, for example, if I meditate on a regular basis, it is almost like the world goes "haywire!" Syncronicities happen a lot. I've had incidents like those describe elsewhere on the board, with electrical gadgets behaving strangely or that cease working at all.

The same thing happens when interacting with dreams. It seems to me to have something to do with the interaction with the the brain waves of the unconscious. Somehow it affects the energy fields.





Cher

[Popol Vuh]

6. Thank You NJCher

**Knock on wood** I've never experienced any electrical anomalies yet, but when my vibrational rate begins to change I feel a very pronounced electrical feeling all throughout my body. Its very intense but not uncomfortable.

The book you posted looks very interesting NJCher, I think I'll check it out.. :)

[rumpel]

5. Wonderful post.

When I first read your post, I also had to pause and think about the existence of "hell", as I tend to think there is no hell or what we call heaven. I rather perceive our soul as an existence in form of energy which does not seek anything other than be-ing in harmonious balance as a part of a continuum. Not in a sense that we lose individuality or identity, and does neither behave stationary or constant. I perceive this state and environment as "pure".

In which case, I realize a distinctive difference may exist between a soul energy occupying a biological body with a biological mind (brain) and a soul energy that has no ties with a biological form.
When our souls leave the body and enters higher vibrations in the case of out of body experience, it is possible that the soul energy is not whole. That is if Dr. Michael Newtons studies are correct, he finds that the soul energy that exists only sends a percentage of the soul to occupy a biological body. In which state, an out of body soul (possibly still closer to our physical dimension) may not be privy to all it's essence.

That would explain for me the seriousness of a negative thought which as a collective could create a negative condition for all i.e. hell. The conditions of hell as we understand it refers to suffering, which is created by the human conditions often cited in Buddhism to include, envy, hate, anger, fear etc. So in general I tend to think this negative condition can only manifest itself as such in the human plane or nearby.
The many heavens certainly could be different levels of dimensions of energy existence, including our present dimension. All dimensions possibly are striving towards being neither negative nor positive, or in other words balance.

30 some years ago, even the existence of aura was ridiculed as pseudo science. Dr. Valerie Hunt's studies and experiments on the human electromagnetic field, I believe, are pretty solid and many built upon her experiments.

It is a very interesting existence that we have, and yes, our scientific knowledge of the universe is still in it's infancy. We all have so much to learn, it is unfortunate that some do not wish to.

[Popol Vuh]

7. Hi rumpel

:hi:


Thank you for your response. I always enjoy reading others' inputs; I think its the best way learn and solve questions.

I tend to agree that the many different dimensions of energy are influenced and shaped by the collective thoughts of people in the higher vibrational existence (their soul if you will).

I hope we continue to see more research and advancements in this field of study.

[rumpel]

12. Yes, I agree. I think it is so exiting and fascinating.

:)

[lady lib]

8. I had an experience this past summer

after reading Secret of the Soul by William Buhlman. After finishing the book and using the techniques for about a week I started having very intense and memorable dreams, then I had an OBE one night as I was falling asleep. Let me just say for the skeptics that there's no mistaking an OBE for a dream or wishful thinking, it's way too unique an experience. One moment I was doing the visualization Buhlman suggests and the next thing my entire body started to vibrate intensely (and I do mean, intensely!), and then immediately after my spirit floated above my body and I thought to myself, "Oh, I'm out!" It's hard to see when you're out, so I asked for clarity like the book suggests, and then I pictured the hall outside my room (if you think of your body at all, you'll immediately go back into it, so you have to picture something that's away from it), and then I asked to experience my highest spiritual self. I went somewhere, I don't really know where and made some spiritual goals (which I managed to forget by morning - way to go!) Then, I pictured my body and went back into it without difficulty. I don't keep a clock in my room so I don't know how long the whole thing lasted. There didn't seem to be any residual effects except some dizziness the next day.

[FreedomAngel82]

9. I saw this great show once

on I believe Discovery Channel about the other dimensions. It was great and they talked about how they were and how our dimension is the only one with time (which I already knew) and how it works and stuff like that.

[NJCher]

10. could hell be a "sea" of negative emotions?

Was that the one on threads, FA? I think my brother told me about it. It repeats now and then so we'll have to keep our eyes open on that. `

Rumpel, I had never given any thought to how the condition you describe could be hell. That is fascinating and something to mull over. I had an experience that could fit into this category and which I will relate later in this post. If "hell" is collective, I wonder if some nations, such as Iraq, could be a sort of hell. We've certainly assisted in making it that, if it wasn't to begin with. But I think back to a comment Nancy made about Iraq and that was something along the lines of it being a place that needed a new "birth time," so to speak. I wish I could remember more exactly what she said--perhaps someone else will recall.

I wonder if we in the US will be entering a sort of hell. That's because (if I remember correctly) some part of our American chart goes into Pisces. It stays there for a long time. Different astrologers have interpreted this as a time of great remorse and work to make up for what has been done in Iraq.

I had an experience with hell. I often think of this experience whenever something outrages me like the recent mistake bombing in Pakistan. This has to do with accountability and therefore I know that there will come a time when GWB and his ilk will pay. Long story short: I was participating in some crime detective work. I tapped into a sea of grief. It was presented to me as a water image and the grief, anger, and negative emotions from the death were being experienced by the killer. I instantly knew what it would be like to have to pay for such a wrong: to have to endure the pain caused by that action.

The sea presented itself as molecules and every molecule of grief would be felt. The pain and negativity I experienced there was unlike anything I have ever, ever experienced in this lifetime. It was so intense it took me three weeks to get back to anything that resembled my normal state. After that, I said I would never participate in this kind of work again.

I am grateful for the experience, though, now. I know there will be a time when bush, cheney, et al have to pay for what they have done. They will have to experience the grief they have caused others, many times over.

Taking this experience and going back to what Rumpel wrote, I wonder if the sea that I saw is the morass of negative emotions experienced by those who were affected by the death. The killer had to experience it--indeed, was caught in this "sea" just like a person could be caught in an ocean without a raft or life jacket. That is how the universe exacts accountability; the person responsible for the crime has to feel the effects of his or her actions, one molecule at a time.

Going through the sea is what it will take for souls like bush's and cheney's to return to the continuum, to "be-ing in harmonious balance as a part of a continuum."




Cher

[davsand]

11. "What you sow you reap."

Cher,

I was reading your post and I got to this section:

"I am grateful for the experience, though, now. I know there will be a time when bush, cheney, et al have to pay for what they have done. They will have to experience the grief they have caused others, many times over."

I had to stop and really look at that one for a bit. At that point, the "farmer's daughter" kicked in and I had a second of lucidity. When you plant a seed you are expecting to get back more--you are working toward that goal.

Many traditions teach that there is some return on investment (so to speak) for your actions. Be it the Wiccan threefold rule (what you do you get back threefold) or be it the Christian promise of eternal life in Heaven or Hell. Several other paths offer similar promises be it Paradise or Reincarnation or any other form of "parting gifts that say thank for playing."

I'd always viewed those "paybacks" as a form of universalism. However, now, I am wondering if this is actually based more on some hidden knowledge of Physics and natural law.

Possibly there was an unrecognized realization (on my part) of this all along--but I never put it together as anything more than a "sameness" of the great philosophies.

I dunno if it was your Gardeners against Bush banner or if it was the subject of this thread--either way, I had a split second there of "Whoaaaa...."



Laura