So is BinLadin dead?

[FreedomAngel82]

Do you sense whether or not BinLadin is dead or a live? I think he's dead but I don't trust myself to sense. :blush:

[crikkett]

1. You're not alone! Tinfoil hat warning:

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/

Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
News of Bin Laden's Death
and Funeral 10 days ago

Islamabad -
A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. In the farewell ceremony to his final rest guns were fired in the air. The official stated that it is difficult to pinpoint the burial location of bin Laden because according to the Wahhabi tradition no mark is left by the grave. He stressed that it is unlikely that the American forces would ever uncover any traces of bin Laden.

(original notice below)

[FreedomAngel82]

2. I think he's long gone too

I tried to sense his presence but it's not strong.

[MissWaverly]

3. I sense no energy at all when I see his photo

I sense positive energy from Gore, and I sense negative energy from Alito, from Bush, I sense nervousness and confusion and frustration

[FreedomAngel82]

5. Right

And you can see from his face in the last picture of him in 2001 that he's dead. Just look in the eyes.

[divineorder]

10. That Last Picture

He looks thin and very pale, not vital at all. I think the combination of being hunted and ill did him in, and what we are dealing with now is either a stunt double or a wannabe. And of course he could have hired a double to continue his message-after all the message is what counts, not whether or not he could do personal appearances.

[Proud_Lefty]

4. For what it's worth, this is what someone emailed me today

The Voice of the White House

January 20, 2006: “Yet again, our grossly incompetent CIA, in conjunction with the prevaricating manipulators in the White House, have produced another faked “bin Ladin tape” threatening to attack the United States but “offering a truce.” The CIA has produced at least ten “original terrorist” tapes in the past three years. A man named Morton Weil, working for the CIA out of Waco, Texas, puts these together using someone fluent in Arabic. The documents are produced in Langley, sent to the NSC for vetting and, if approved as written, sent by courier to Waco, Texas where they are translated (from the English) into Arabic and then recorded by a person, as yet unnamed, fluent in that language .

I lunch twice a week with an Arab diplomat who, obviously, is an educated man and fluent in his native tongue. He not only knew bin Laden but has heard him speak a number of times. His opinion? Fake.

His reasoning?

Bush is presently doing so badly in the domestic (and foreign) opinion polls, yet did so well as “The Great Protector of America” after 911, that he seeks to recapture his permanently lost glory by first posing a threat to the US and then stepping forward again, shield and sword in hand, to defend the American people against foreign (and non-Christian) terrorists.

He and Rove feel that his poll numbers will rise once again. The problem is that very few people believe these rigged and seemingly never-consummated terrorist “warnings” and so once again, the boy cried “Wolf” in vain.

I also know someone on the NSC and they told me this morning that they really wished the CIA would be a little more accomplished in their fakes.

His reasoning?

It has been known, officially, that bin Laden died of kidney failure in a Pakistani hospital in August of 2002 and obviously isn’t making any tapes now. A live bin Laden, however, is a good boogyman with which to terrify the American public into slavishly believing our government is trying to protect them. Secondly, there is no reference to the Koran in the message, something always found in original, period, bin Laden announcements. Thirdly, the fake bin Laden does not make any references, as original messages have, to past Western atrocities against Muslims and, finally, the tape is far too short.

What is this source’s reasoning? That the CIA’s blunder in killing 17-25 perfectly innocent Pakistani civilians in a badly botched rocket attack against a bin Laden supporter has caused an uproar in Pakistan, (and elsewhere) an ally, albeit a very dicey one. First, the CIA “revealed,” through paid Pakistani stooges, that “many top terrorists” were killed in the attack although the sole victims were women and children and two sets of grandparents. Their logic is that while the intended target was “mysteriously absent” at the time of the attack, the slaughter of the innocents was justified because “many top terrorists” were eradicated.

Typical high-level bald-faced lies.

This latest taped fake is designed both to give Bush increased stature to a disbelieving American public and to justify any future actions against more generally completely innocent civilians.

The Bush Administration is drawing an enormous bill that is going to have to be paid by the American people, hopefully for the criminals, long after they are out of office and living in tax-payer supported safe (and non-extraditable) retirement in the south of France or Tahiti.

Something needs to be done about all of this murderous corruption.

When Patrick Henry, addressing the Virginia House of Burgesses, made a negative reference to their King George, some stooge shouted “Treason!” at him.

His reply, and one we all ought to contemplate?

“If this be treason, Sir, why make the most of it!”

[FreedomAngel82]

6. You should show this in the GD section

[Proud_Lefty]

12. They didn't include a link

I hate posting anything on GD without a link.

[Cleita]

13. Do it anyway. It's consistent with what has been posted in GD

about this already. Just qualify it saying that you got it in an email and don't have a link. I'll betcha our intrepid DUers, especially the journalists, will come up with credible sources if there are any.

[MissWaverly]

7. great posting, thank you

has anyone been sensing anything about Bush lately, I think that he seems more down than
usual, he also seems to be stooped over while walking, has anyone else noticed this.

[Sanity Claws]

8. Yes, he's stooped over

I saw some photos in the last month or so where his shoulders seemed so hunched that he looked like Nixon.
I've heard people do that unconsciously to protect their heart chakra, when they think they are under attack.

[MissWaverly]

9. I am sensing sadness, confusion, fear

He does not have the vibes of someone who has everything going his way

[Cleita]

14. Untreated kidney disease causes revulsion to food.

It happened to my husband, when dialysis was no longer helping him. Even though he was hungry he was too nauseous to eat and lost a lot of weight. Also untreated kidney disease stops your bone marrow from producing red blood cells and that can make you very anemic.

It's my thought that both these things could have done him in. When he went to a hosptal, he probably had been untreated for too long and they couldn't dialyze him and give him blood in time to save him. If this in fact was the way he ended up.

[FreedomAngel82]

11. Yes I have

I wonder why. He used to do so a tiny bit and wave and smile but now you can clearly tell it's all so fake.

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[Proud_Lefty]

16. I did post it and quickly got a response that its unreliable

It could very well be unreliable, but I think many of us already had a feeling that this is exactly what's happening. I still think that the amount of lives lost and maimed for the benefit of this one man is not only a real tough pill to shallow, but it's insulting they think we're that stupid. The war on terror needs a face, so the W.H. came up with this one for Afgan and Zarcawi (sp?) in Iraq. Don't forget the clip of 10 guys in the desert on monkey bars - scary shit! If our military is really losing to these men (the fabricated faces of terrorists), we'd better raise the white flags now.

[MissWaverly]

17. I think the situation over there is melting down

& that terrorists only play a small role over there.

[Proud_Lefty]

18. I went to hear Dahr Jamil talk about what he saw in Iraq

He said these insurgents were mostly comprised of Iraqi citizens whose family members were lost due to American bombs, etc. Some come from other countries to fight against us, their worst enemy, but that's only a few. Bill O'Reilly can put Cindy Sheehan down for calling them freedom fighters, but that's the truth of the situation. If you stand on truth, be ready to be attacked. (I met Cindy Sheehan a few months ago and told her how much I respected her ability to stand firm on the truth no matter who nasty people were, and no one ever tattles her credibility like they do with almost everyone else. I asked her to give lessons to all of us. She gave me a big hug in return. Wow!) Anyway, our enemy, terrorists, are a big huge unknown that should have been given more clarity for people to take it seriously, especially when we're losing lives over it.

[FreedomAngel82]

19. Right

I don't think O'Reilly would call the Americans in the Revolutionary War insergents. :eyes:

[MissWaverly]

20. I pray that the UN intervenes

I think that the problem is one of leadership, there is a large civilian component of this
war which I have not seen in any other war, it's like a catered war, one which is
impossible to control. You have the soldiers being asked to protect the interests of
the contractors over there when they should be trying to protect the interests of the
Iraqi people and our interests; which should be to help strengthen the country.

[Proud_Lefty]

21. I pray for the day Americans rise up and intervene

But too many are just too comfy right now with how our lives are going.

If you think of another country coming in and performing a shock and awe display, killings hundreds of thousands of Americans, in their efforts to remove Bush and then take over all the infrastructure, contracts, resources, civilians would rise up and fight anyway they can. Why do we think Iraqi people wouldn't do that? I pray too for the day this stops. It's crazy.

[MissWaverly]

22. We could have had alternate fuels with the money wasted in Iraq

It will take a generation to restore the faith of the world in us, I do not know why
all this has been possible, the illegal election of 2000, the incompetence that lead to
9-11, Iraq, Katrina, plus a million other things: from taking away medicine from Seniors, to
denying votes from legitimate voters, to redrawing maps to maintain a permanent majority, to rigged voting machines, to bribery, etc. I do not understand why this has been tolerated
by our congress, now we are going to hear outrage, another election year has begun.

[Proud_Lefty]

23. Amen

While I was starting to say I also don't understand, I actually see the successful manipulation of Americans that started back 30 years ago. Actually, it started way back earlier than that. A friend of mine who's fancinated with the days of the Mayflower told me how the Quakers manipulated people of faith for their control and wealth, which has continued to blossom into a full scale scam. But about 30 years ago is when the Nazi influence (psychological warfare) began infiltrating our society. I know I'll be blasted for that comment because it's such a taboo in our society. Don't ever go too near the truth. That's what America has become - scared of the truth. Then we wonder how they're getting away with so much - because too many Americans are too compliant. They aren't willing to extend any energy towards making wrong things right and prefer to lazily rely on the media even if they're known liars. I can't believe how many people I've known that love jerks like O'Reilly and Hannity just because they're mean bullies. Why is that? Because people are like children, when you're afraid, they befriend the bullies for protection, when in reality those bullies are nothing more than chickenhawks and weak.

[MissWaverly]

24. You don't understand, everything about Bushco is image

they used the media to distort everything
It's been about the lie wrapped in illusion from day one

Jeff Gannon, don't know him, and we don't know how & when he was in White House for 2 years
Jack Abramoff, don't know him, and we don't know how & when he was in White House 200 times
Tom Delay, don't know him, don't know how & when he was in the House doing whatever,
may have been Majority Leader, He might be from Laredo, Texas, I am really not sure.

[Proud_Lefty]

25. LOL - image is all he has and it's as quirky as his jaw these days

I'm amazed how much the media controls us by their gross distortions. So many people feel we are in the minority when we watch the news. I'm trying so hard to get people together, face to face, blog to blog, rally to rally, committee to committee so we can see the truth - that we're the MAJORITY. If people only knew how strong we are, how many of us are out there, we'd all be shocked, including you and me. Everyday, more and more hardcore Republicans are fed up with Bushco and want him out. Add that to the 49% of the votes were counted; then add on all the purged and thrown away voter registrations, add on all the stolen votes switched from Kerry to Bush, add on all the people that got fed up by all the games and couldn't wait in line the whole 7 hours expected (need I go on). The distortion to me seems real lame and I'm just appalled there's so many of us that believe it, hook, line and sinker, and roll over in defeat without even trying. Every time, I want to sit down and cry.

[MissWaverly]

26. we will fight on, I think others are waking up now to join us

I just heard CNN today broadcast news that the Whitehouse knew 2 days ahead of time
that Katrina could breach the flood walls and they did nothing, and later denied
that anyone could have ever predicted that would happen. The more truth that
gets out there, the stronger we will be.

Remember, it may be the smallest thing that tips the balance to the side of truth and justice. It may be signing one petition, posting one article, writing 1 senator, going
to 1 protest, sending 1 contribution in to a democratic candidate. My sister knows a woman who was in a concentration camp in World War II, as an adult she and her husband lived in a
town where the sheriff was abusive and corrupt. His word was law and no one dared to
criticize him, when the election came up. She told her husband that she was going to
vote against him, her husband laughed and said that she was wasting her time, he would
never lose. The sheriff lost the election by 1 vote. This is a true story, I am not making
this up.

[Proud_Lefty]

27. Great story

Thanks for that. I'll use it, probably many times I'm sure. We need to know we can make a difference.

[MissWaverly]

28. Thanks

never underestimate the power of one

:-)