So, according to an astrologer friend, my psychic ability is due to...

[BlueIris]

Neptune in Sagittarius? I have always thought that my intermittent clairvoyant abilities were indicated in my natal chart by some odd combination of my Taurus Sun/Scorpio Ascendant and my Pluto in Libra in the 12th. But my friend who was looking over my shoulder at my natal chart the other night, (I was playing with some new software I have for doing basic astrology stuff now) thinks it's the Neptune in Sag in the 2nd house that indicates clairvoyance, particularly of the not-so-reliable variety.

[stellanoir]

1. Welp . . .Psychic ability is usually predicated by far more

than a singular placement or influence in a chart.

Your angular Uranus in Scorpio and Mercury even more precisely conjunct the Descendant create many sudden intuitive flashes. Your Neptune in Sagg in the second is enhanced by Jupiter in Leo in the 9th resulting in you being a spiritual seeker with an open mind. The Moon exactly conjunct the Solar Apex influences you to be a sensitive to future potentials as well. The South Lunar Node in Pisces suggests you've developed these certain psychic sensibilities in prior lives.

[BlueIris]

2. D'oh! Thanks, stella!

When will I learn to leave the natal chart analysis to the trained professionals? Psychic sensitivities in previous life cycles, eh? That makes me reconsider what I thought was a b.s. hint about my past given to me by a reader I thought at the time had questionable abilities at best--that person claimed I had been a Tahitian medium who had died of a plague-like illness. I wonder if his claim that I would become a martial arts expert in this life cycle was in any sense accurate.

[stellanoir]

3. Well I wouldn't go that far . . .

Only you will know that to be sure or not but I could see those qualities to resonate to a certain degree with a South Lunar Node in Pisces, though would never project such a circumstance or condition on any living soul.

Even the lamest of readers can be on now and again though.

So go figure.

As for the martial arts stuff, within 5-7 years you'll have progressed Mars conjoining your natal Sun so you'll want to get more physically active, but whether it's dancing in your kitchen, bungee jumping, hanging with bikers, doing martial arts, or any of many physical activities is entirely up to your free will.

You'll have Pluto trine your Mars long before that, to say nothing of the trine to your Venus as well a bit before that. Stay tuned.

How's about not questioning that which comes easily. Maybe just question all the rest. . .?

Be well dear.

[PinkTiger]

4. Are you sure that wasn't

A medium Titian who should be avoided like the plague???? (LOL)

[rumpel]

5. Occasionally I have checked out this site

http://www.noetic.org/

It is kind of fun to browse. There is an online PSI game among many other interesting research
http://www.noetic.org/research.cfm

There was another site, that I have seen that actually linked me to the site, which was testing your abilities, by showing you pictures of tons of people, and you have to intuitively mark whether that person is presently alive or deceased. It is strange but I could pretty much tell who is and who isn't...

[cassiepriam]

6. My .02

Blue:

I have tried to post this five times now and it keeps going into the ethers. Strange, maybe you are not supposed to know about your karma! I will try PMing you.

I also have 2 h Neptune and 12h Pluto.

As a preface I will say that it is misleading to interpret parts of chart in isolation from the whole, but I will do my best to answer your question.

In karmic astrology the natal chart is seen like a credit card statement with the debits and credits from past lives. 2nd house is seen as the gifts and resources brought forward from past lives, 12h is the debt side.

Scorpio Asc can develop the qualities of penetration, insight and healing. It can also fall into the trap of negative traits such as suspicion, hostility and destructive emotions.

2nd h Neptune offers the gift of imagination and spirituality. Neptune in Sag urges the expansion of consciousness and supports spiritual rather than religious practices. There is a possibility of aligning with false gurus and inappropriate gods, but the potential exists for spiritual vision. The sign on the house cusp will also shed light on your gifts.

It is also important to know what Neptune aspects you have. Neptune aspecting Venus, Mercury and or the Moon, OR the Moon, Mercury or Venus in Pisces are powerful psychic and healing aspects. If you have those placements I can tell you more about it.

12h Pluto is a very powerful karmic and heavy placement. Much karma from past lives abusing power or being abused by power. Deep within the psyche are dark but transforming powers. In addition to the negative side of this placement there is healing ability, the ability for trance mediumship and clairvoyance, particularly when there are links to the moon. Or to Scorpio or Cancer. How close is Pluto to your ASC?

Hope this helps.

[stellanoir]

7. It's 22 degrees above the Ascendant

but is not the rising planet. Saturn is. Uranus is within 10 degrees of the Ascendant in the first. For further data PM and only with Blue Iris's permission I'll forward it on.

Mercury is angular on the Descendant within a degree in the 6th. Jupiter in the 9th doesn't hurt either. Chiron is within 2 degrees of the Descendant as well in the 7th.

Neptune trines both Venus and Mars in fire.

So go figure.

[cassiepriam]

8. Thank you

I would like to see the chart, helps to see the whole thing, but of course only if Blue gives permission.

What are the Chiron aspects?

Neptune trine Venus can indicate and artistic, musical, visionary or psychic potential brought forward from other lives. Can also indicate potential for attuning to and focusing spiritual vision. The soul with this placement has a sensitivity which reaches beyond the vibrations of earth and is capable of connecting to eternal cosmic guidance and wisdom. It is one of the indicators of psychic potential and healing power (Pluto contacts with the moon another) and of clairvoyance. The fire means it will manifest in intuition and initiation.

The trine means that according to karmic theory Blue has successfully integrated her psychic ability in her past life and her challenge is to further integrate these gifts in this life and use them constructively. The problem with a trine can be that they are taken for granted and not used.

I have the trine issue also with these aspects and it has taken me a long time to realize that others do not see what I see in my head. I also have had to face my soul purpose and come out of the closet with my gifts. We are given them to be used in this life with wisdom and for the good of all.

I hope this is of help to you Blue.

[stellanoir]

9. Chiron is conjunct Mercury by 3 degrees.

It trines Saturn and widely to the Moon but is still within orb in my smallish book. It and Mercury square Jupiter.

Chiron opposes Uranus by 8 degrees.

There are other aspects as well depending on the orbs you use.

Anyway we'll wait for Blue Iris to chime in.

[cassiepriam]

10. Again thanks

Karmic astrology uses wider orbs, 8-12 degrees depending upon the aspect. I know classical folks shudder at this.

Chiron is a whole other situation but can be indicative of healing potential once the wounds are healed from past lives.
Personal transformation leads to the ability to help others heal.

Blue's question was about psychic abilites I know.
But in my mind I link it with healing talents so I like to look
at Chiron too.

[stellanoir]

11. LOL I'm by no means a degree Nazi

Vedic's use whole sign aspects often and are very astute.

As are you.

[cassiepriam]

12. I am only an amateur

This is just a passionate hobby of mine, I am only a student
and self taught.

BTW I am starting to study Vedic astrology, I love it but it makes my head swim. It is a completely different system. The Vedics are so amazing, I am learning what I can as I go. They are fabulous on the nodes so I am enthralled. To think they have been doing astrology for the past 5000 years. But I really need to get to basics and dig in more on the classical end. I always learn things backwards, started with the karmic piece and now going back to the classic training. And then going off on a vedic tangent too.

But my heart is in karmic astrology. A combination of psychological astrology and past lives.

[stellanoir]

13. I've been doing this for decades

and am a pro but still consider myself a student. I learn from every client I have but learn mostlly from the kids.

The Vedics are indeed fantastic with the Nodes. No question.

Here's one thing. They are absolutely right about how the ecliptic has moved over the past 1500 years or so. But our system still aligns itself with the seasons. So both systems have merit. Just a matter of whether one is looking up or looking down is all.

Have fun and you're a natural.

[cassiepriam]

15. If you look at my chart , it tells the story....

I have a Pisces stellium, sun, moon, mercury, north node in Pisces. I was also born under a total solar eclipse which fell less than one degree from my natal sun. The Vedics say I should have died within six months of birth, and I almost did, but here I am. My solar eclipse is Saros 139 which is supposed to confer psychic gifts.

I have a triple grand water trine which connects to the stellium.
ALso I have a yod, other grand trines, cardinal grand cross. There is so much going on in my natal chart, that is why I had to learn astrology. I knew it was trying to tell me something!

I just did a past life regression. I wanted to find out why I am obsessed with karmic astrology. I was shocked to hear that I am supposed to come from a long line of vedic astrologers, in fact my descendants are still writing books today, I just read one.

I take everything with a grain of salt. I must say that part of me believes this stuff to the core, the other part of me thinks it is nonsense. That is my pisces virgo paradox. My strong spiritual mission this life is to integrate the spiritual psychic with the rational and analytic. Hence astrology which combines the two. But sometimes I take the astrology books and want to drop kick them to the curb. But I don't and also go back to it. I have some karma I am meant to burn off with my gifts. I can go off the karmic wheel this lifetime if I play my cards right. I am so interested in soul purpose astrology, I guess I better listen to my own.

[BlueIris]

14. Oh, my goodness! I can't believe I missed this discussion!

Look at all of these fascinating comments (and on the one day in months that I haven't been around in the afternoon to check this forum--strange).

Stella, you can PM my chart to whomever, if you want. I'm sure no one here would do anything bad with the info. For the record, thanks so much to everyone giving me new insights with which to continue my interest in astrology and how it relates to my life. This is so great!

[BlueIris]

16. Also, I have no idea why PMs weren't getting through.

I've cleaned out my inbox; maybe it was too full or something?

[cassiepriam]

18. The energy is funky on this board right now.

I could not get a post thru to save my life yesterday.

[cassiepriam]

17. If I can see your whole chart....

I might be able to see some things about your astrology talents.

The more I learn about astrology the more I realize how exceedingly complex the field is. The chart is beautifully simple but exceedingly complex. And each of us are drawn to different ways of looking at it.

When I look at a chart it pops out in a multidimensional way.
So may layers and slices, it is overwhelming to look at, so much richness. I have to calm myself down.

I have a strong scientific and technical background used to analyzing complex sets of data. Also very intuitive. So it all comes together for me. Astrology is part science/ part art.

I love watching the astrologers on this forum put it all together. Tear the chart down to its essential pieces then put it all back together in a meaningful way. For example if you look at Nancy W on her website it is a privilege to watch astrological genius in action. She is so talented in terms of her skills. Breath taking actually. And she has some karma I am sure she is working on very hard in this life. It comes thru in her every post. So much wisdom, so much courage.

I have not seen enough of Stella to see the totally of her gifts. But she seems very blessed in the area of the technical end of the chart which is very difficult. People have no idea
how hard all of this is. But good people make it look easy.

Some day in the future there will be doctoral programs in astrology. The specializations will be enormous. Like today's medical training. And natal charts will be a part of everyday life. Like in present day India.

But for now I am so lucky to see all the talent in action around me. I learn every day from all of you. Thank you.

[cassiepriam]

19. PS

BTW I do not believe anything bad can be done to a chart in a spiritual way.

The natal chart is your treatment plan for this life. It tells you the story of your soul evolution and soul purpose. Tells you the debits and credits you are to work on in this incarnation. You have free will to do it or not. But if not then you will work on it in the next lives till you do it. But you may not want everyone seeing all of this in a public way.

You can get bad interpretations, non professional interpretations but the chart itself can not be used to harm you. The chart itself is not magic. It is however magical in its wisdom, in that it is from Divinity.

Just my .02.

[cassiepriam]

20. My interpretation

Blue:
The answer to your question is right there in your chart. Psychic intuitive healing abilities fueled by a powerful stellium in earth and fire, all channeled into a beautiful Earth Grand Trine.

Note the specifics.
• Scorpio Asc
• 2nd house (karmic gifts house) gifts of Neptune which confers spirituality and imagination, the Moon psychic abilities to be used in empathizing with others.
• Neptune trines Venus which I discussed more fully in a previous post but confer psychic potential and healing power.
• Pluto in the 12 house confers some healing power if it doesn't make you crazy first (I am kidding a bit, I have this Pluto placement.)
• Your beautiful Grand Earth Trine
• Many Chiron aspects too complicated to go into at this point.
• Your loaded 6th house of healing, health and work.
• Your powerhouse in the sixth is quite a stellium, Venus and Mars in Aries, then Mercy and Chiron on the Desc in Taurus.

• Your grand trine is more powerful than most, look at it. Look at all the power from the stellium pouring into the trine. Look at the energy feeding into the stellium from the moon and Neptune in the 2nd, and from Saturn and the north node. All very earthy with a big smack of fire. And your chart ruler is Mars and it is placed in the stellium, Mars also rules Aries on the 6th house cups. Wow. The power is amazing. ( I know that some purists insist that a stellium can only occur with more than three planets in the same sign, but I disagree, a power house is a powerhouse. Just brings different energies into the grouping. )

It is even more complex because of something called aspect by association. This means that a planetary member of a Stellium is subject to the influence of aspects to other Planets in the same Stellium, even if the Orb is too wide to normally include that Planet. Like tuning forks all lined up vibrating together but differently.

We could talk a lot about this combination but I will just say that your fire and earth stellium will give you enormous staying power, as the fiery energy is harnessed for earth practical tasks. Your abilities may be more in the area of sensing, that is information coming in thru your senses, and will be quite practical. You may enjoy hands on type exercises to develop your talents. I would also suggest you think about regular meditation to help you get out of your body a bit and in tune with your higher self. I have not even gone into the house placements of all of this but suffice to say you are meant to do some work that will be of service to others, especially emphasized by that Virgo north node. Which also feeds into your stellium. It will be of a practical anlalytic nature most likely. You have a path of service but must take care not to be a victim or martyr. But that is digressing from your question. Oh also there are several themes in your chart about a need to integrate your male and female engergies. And it is important for some reason that you do it, as the chart repeats that theme (Venus conj Mars in the stellium and 10h North node.)

Charts can be quite thematic and when the message is repeated over and over in the chart I think we should listen to it!

I do want to say that I am welcome any feedback, I think chart interpretation should be a collaborative effort. My background is karmic work, a soul centered astrology. Classical astrology and the technical aspects of chart interpretation are not my forte. I welcome any and all corrections.

The natal chart is the cosmic blueprint of our soul.

[BlueIris]

21. Jeez, thanks. That is quite the interpretation.

Thanks for doing that!

[cassiepriam]

22. This is how karmic folks see the chart.

Karmic astrologers are the lunatic fringe of the astrology world I fully admit. We see the chart as a mystic piece of divinity. God's treatment plan for you in stellar language.

Imprinted with present incarnation lessons as well as lessons and energy from eons of past lives. It is breathakingly beautiful and awesome in it complexity.

[cassiepriam]

23. Ps do you want to get a glimpse of how I see your chart?

This may seem strange but I see natal charts in 3 dimension and moving and vibrant with energy. I dream about them this way at night. Sigh, I must be crazy. Time to stop my obsession with astrology? Maybe I should watch more Oprah instead.

Look at your chart Blue. That Trine is magnificent, so vibrant and moving with energy. And it moves so easily you don't even feel it is there. You must use this energy and not ignore. It is a gift to you.

Look at your chart, see it all pop up in three dimension. We are energy beings to our core and the natal chart is pure energy as well. The flat way we depict it is so sad, but the best we can do. I experience a chart with all my senses, I can hear, feel, see, taste it etc. Sounds crazy I know, but there it is!

See the plants as spinning balls of energy. Look at Mars as pure will and feel how he spins. See Venus, seductive and creative, feel her as she spins on your chart. Then see how the house cusp sign modifies the way they spin. In Libra they slow down and have a completely different feel than when in Aries for example. Then you can walk through each house of the natal compound and see where the energy is located.

Then look at the aspects. They are not just flat lines on a chart, they are pulsing with energy. The trines flow with ease a, smoothly, securely, evenly. The opps and squares come in spurts, going too fast, too slow fighting each side of the energy. The trines mean you worked it out in past lives. The squares and opps mean you have to work on balancing the energy in this life.

When I see your grand trine all the trines are neon blue with strong tinges of green, some red. All that energy flowing. So pretty. And all earthy with a bit of spicy fire. All pulsating to and from that earthy but spicy powerhouse.
I can almost feel the earth, smell it but with peppery fire mixed it. For fun I like to go into a chart and walk around in it. Wow.

And then you have those t squares sputtering around underneath it. You have to balance the energy in those this lifetime if you can Blue. Then in your next life they will be trines if you are successful.

I hope this all helps somehow. Thank you for sharing your chart with me. Natal charts are fascinating, mystical and so very beautiful.