Cheney's chart data

[stellanoir]

Have seen his name heading so many threads today I am starting to scowl and would much rather smirk as ever.

January 30, 1941 7:30 am CST Lincoln, Nebraska

Couldn't focus on it very long 'cause he grosses me out but it's probably a rounded off birthtime. Transiting Mars just passed his Uranus (Kablaaam) and more interestingly it was his Jupiter opposition that was exact.

Will look some more after I do a few readings but have at it if you dare.

best

[Ecumenist]

1. I feel that cheney is in for a karmic slam....

I freely admit that I know nothing but the very fundamental basics of the rudimentary type about Astrology but speaking from the position of as intuitive, I will tell you that They has been alot of chatter about a type of justice coming to this bunch in ways that hurt them the most. I will tell you that the thing I keep being told is that this "buddy, friend, pal type Lawyer' was shot not because of some Hunting accident but because he said something that made cheney angry. cheney feels omnipotent and above the law. I have been told that there was alot more going on during this hunting trip than is being let on. I believe many in the hunting party were, shall we say, inbreiated and the lull in time in regards to reporting the "incident", NOT ACCIDENT, was taken to come up with a "plausible story" at least to their satisfaction. I feel that there's alot more coming out about this within a week. People who've already become aware of what this bunch is about will not be surprised but I believe that it will solidify the bumbling contempt that many have for the regime, cheney in particular. By the way, in case you've noticed that I always spell cheney's name with a small c it's because I refuse to honour him in any way, no matter how miniscule. The most disturbing thing is that he and I share a birthday, (January 30 1964,9:21 pm, Hollywood California). I was horrified to find that out a few years ago. I cannot believe he is such a creep and yet he's an aquarian. I swear, he's the first aquarian I have had the unfortunate displeasure to know about tht is so self-centred and horrifically evil. That's just my 3 cents.

[stellanoir]

2. okay

Firstly I sorta feel the same as you.

He was at the very least over reactive. Beyond that, he was deranged in killing 70 birds. For what ends? Blood lust. No decent self respecting hunter kills more that they can eat.

But beyond that this lawyer he shot was a primary culprit in "Funeralgate" wherein in the 90's when * was governer of Texas and he was deeply connected with a company called Kenyon that was supposed to recover the bodies from a flood. They were charged of illegally disposing of bodies. According to some accounts, they disposed of the bodies in the woods and (this is disgusting- warning) they were devoured by wild boars. They settled out of court. That is an absolute implication of guilt. I have no links because it was far too disgusting to focus on for long.

The point is that Wittington or whatever his name is, was somehow affiliated with Kenyon Corp. who were supposed to attend to the corpses from Katrina. We've had no death reports for months. Though they found Barry Cowsill's corpse 4 months after the fact only because he had been a semi short time celebrity. I'll bet there were somewhere upwards of 10,000 deaths and we're not hearing about them for obvious reasons. They can never reveal that their incompetance was responsible for more deaths than 9/11.

As for your shared birthday. . .I'll tell you a short story

I had a much older friend who had the same birthday as FDR. Her husband passed on early and she got all sorts of bennies for a while that were later cut by Reagan. Her youngest daughter was born on Hitler's birthday. She was the sweetest thing.

I thought about it and said "Well here you were born on the birthday of someone who was the embodiment of social justice and then suffered consequences, perhaps he depleted the goodness from your solar degree. Whereas your daughter is drawing from a solar degree wherein all the crapola has already been purged."

Cheney's dastardliness may just be doing you a favor. Ya never know.

Best to you

[Ecumenist]

3. I sincerely hope so...

Both my grandmothers were/are aquarians and I was born 45 years to the day within a couple of hours of my mother's mom. She's still alive. I know that there is a wide variance in how people are and behave in astrology, it's sickening.
As it applies to the funereal scandal in Texas, I heard a bit about that and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this is real reason behind that attempt, er, uh, accident.I feel likeit's falling apart and I have to say that I believe that the ONLY reason that things haven't gotten more chaotic with this bunch is a combination of fear, blackmail, extortion and outright threats. I feel however, that a threshhold has been crossed and it will be about 3 weeks to a month when someone in the inner circle is FORCED to breach the dam of lies. Unfortunately, I also feel like they inner rings of this hellish cabal is going to manufacture a "terroristic attack" as a last ditch measure to try to re-secure the "support" they felt they had following the september 11th. Sadly, I think that it will be in the form of a "suicide bombing" at a family restaurant or theatre, where families with children will be "sacrificed for the greater good".
The death toll from Katrina is nearer to what you are saying, at least that's what I've been told by the People, (spirits) around me. There is alot of anger and confusion among those newly arrived on the other side because of the actions of this mess of a hillbilly mafia. As it applies to the revelation of the true death toll, I feel that that may be what is released along with corroborating information within the next month to 6 weeks. I know that I have a great aunt who is still missing and I know that she's made it Home, (the otherside). I have so much sadness for those who have large parts of their families missing, especially those with children missing.

[FreedomAngel82]

4. Don't worry

Bush was born just a little bit before me and I've been told it all depends on your location and time and things like that. Plus, we all have freewill too. :) I also think this is all strange. I didn't know that about the guy and the Katrina people! WOW!

[Quakerfriend]

8. Hey Ecumenist, I could not believe he was an Aquarian

myself!! I have NEVER met an evil Aquarian, LOL!!

And, I might add, I've never met an Aquarian who did not have a sense of deep caring for others.

Interesting, re: what you are saying about the lawyer making cheney angry. I too am pretty intuitive and, my first thought when I saw him on TV was that he was in some ways grieving about a fight or misunderstanding with another- presumably cheney. And, looking at his wounds make me feel that he was shot almost straight on- at much closer range than has been reported.

[cassiepriam]

5. Karma questions discussed..........

Perhaps everyone is sick of karmic theory, but here is my answer to the questions for what it is worth!

Two people can be born at the same time, same date, same hospital but have very different lives.

There are a number of reasons for this.

While each of the two people will have very similar internal energy wiring, each person incarnates into different bodies and different families. The ancestral DNA will be different, as well as the childhood socialization and rearing. We know that these factors can have profound influence on functioning. We chose our bodies and our families for specific karmic purposes.

Also while past lives may have been similar, the specifics will be different which will cause differences in how the soul reacts to the present incarnation.

Also of course there is free will. We chose our charts before birth, we set out our goals and purpose in this lifetime. But once we are here we are free to work the program or not. It is totally up to each individual soul whether they work on their issues, meet their karmic goals and evolve. No one makes them do it. Nothing is preordained. That is why we are here, to see if we can do it.

Earth is graduate school for the soul. And it is known as a rough school indeed. Only the toughest souls choose to come here. Some ascended beings call earth the insane asylum of the galaxy and I believe it. Earth incarnations are known to produce the toughest, sharpest and most determined souls around, that is why we come here. And by the way I believe that we all chose to incarnate with Bush for specific karmic reasons. But I digress.

I know a person who has a natal chart almost identical to mine, but in mirror reverse. She and I are similar personalities, similar childhoods,life experiences, similar interests. It is uncanny. Yet she is not doing well at all in her life, many many problems of her own creation. She has succumbed to the dark elements in the chart, while I have worked very hard to over come them but it has take a long time and much effort. Each day is a challenge.

I can not look at Cheney’s chart either. I just cannot do it. To see someone who has forsaken so totally the divine gift of incarnating on this planet, just too hard to bear.

I did look at Bush’s chart one time in a moment of bravery. And he does not have a bad chart. I believe he could have become a good leader, everything was there for it. But he has blown it. Succumbed to alcohol and drug addiction, chosen to not grow up, chosen to be self centered and lazy. Really went to all the dark sides of the planets and energies. This is his choice and he will answer for it at the karmic board review. This is the review that we all have at then end of our life here. When our entire life is flashed before our eyes. But again I digress.

This may sound crazy, but this is current karmic thinking.

[stellanoir]

6. most here are far beyond

sun sign astrology but I hear ya. I was merely addressing the other poster's fears of shared birthdays.

No one is sick of karmic astrology. We're just sick of living it. LOL

kidding

[cassiepriam]

10. LOL Yes you are so right Stella on all points

Yes Yes Yes, tired of our karma.
But we chose it. What were we thinking?
And I do believe we are working on collective karma issues here
on this board. If anyone is interested I could say more about that.
We chose this life and we chose to come back together to work on the issues that are causing us so much pain in this life. There are many types of karma, individual, family, collective etc. And a big issue for all of us is this collective karma piece in addition to the individual things we are working on. There are several reasons a soul choses to work on collective karma and your natal chart tells you about that.

And absolutely there is no reason at all to fear shared birthdays.
The whole issue of reincarnation is so very complex. No one soul is the same, we are all like snowflakes, each an individual. We may come back in groups to work on the same things but we are all totally unique. Then that very unique soul comes back into a unique body and family. And then we have free will. And the cosmic energy God has given us can be used to evolve or not. And that cosmic energy is not evil, it is beautiful.
It may be very challenging energy but never evil. The biggest thing I want to say is never ever be afraid of your natal chart. It is a gift from God and you chose to work on the tough pieces in this life. And God will help you if you allow it. And every chart I have looked at is so rich in gifts.
If we could only see it and use it. And even the challenging charts are gifts. Because when we balance the energy we will be blessed with more gifts. It is a wondrous system. We are all so blessed and we don't even know it.

[I Have A Dream]

7. I personally LOVE karmic astrology, so I appreciate any posts that...

you do in reference to it, cassiepriam.

Thanks for this information.

[cassiepriam]

11. Thank you, I just do not want to wear out my welcome

I could write books and books about karma, but I have to try and contain myself!

[I Have A Dream]

13. It wouldn't be possible for you to wear out your welcome with me.

I went into my personal "library" today and founds the books that I have which are about karmic astrology. They are as follows:

"Karmic Astrology: Retrogrades and Reincarnation - Volume II" by Martin Schulman
"A Spiritual Approach to Astrology" by Myrna Lofthus
"Astrology and Your Past Lives" by Jeanne Avery

Have you heard of any of them? I don't think that they were listed in the list of books that you recommend, which I plan to arrange ordering through my local metaphysical bookstore.

I have at least 3 planets that are retrograde in my chart. I think that I have lots of work to do! :( Thanks for being here and drawing my focus back to this issue, cassiepriam. :hug:

[cassiepriam]

17. I am glad

Schulman's book is a retrograde cook book. It is fine as a reference but fairly limited in scope and very little theory. But I would be interested in what you think about it.

Avery’s book is supposed to be entirely about Saturn and karma, it might be an important text, but perhaps limited and also a reference? Tell me what you think. If you think it is good I will order it.

Lofthus' book was controversial due to comments allegedly made in the text and I confess that turned me off. But I should give it a look.

I would be very interested in what you think about these books.

And what books will you be ordering?
I am glad that you are reading about karmic astrology. There are not many people to talk to about it. I have looked on other astrology forums and there does not seem to be much karmic interest that I have found. I would love to do a group book read if anyone is interested.

[I Have A Dream]

18. I would love to do a group book read, but my concern is that I am...

an utter, absolute novice as compared to you. It would be like a kindergartner and a high school student having a book read together.

I'm interested in all astrology, but karmic astrology really pulls me. I know that I'm supposed to use it to grow spiritually and to get over my blocks. However, I must say that I'm really more of an appreciator of people who can do charts, etc. rather than being able to do them myself.

I haven't yet decided which books to order. I went to Barnes & Noble today just to see what they have (even though I'll probably go to my local metaphysical bookstore just so that I can support them). B&N had a few books on karmic astrology, but I couldn't remember the names of the books that you recommended in one or two of your other threads so I didn't spend any time with them.

This should be fun!

[cassiepriam]

19. Studying soul purpose, divinity is for everyone.

The spiritual lessons and meaning behind karma are universal and for every one. Whether you are in kindergarten or high school. I have been humbled to my knees every day I have studied astrology. And I learn from everyone, I really mean that. We are all novices when in this carnate state.

I envision a book read at all levels. I am not only interested in the astrology piece, that is just the way to crack the divine code of the natal chart. Astrology is just a language to decipher the information code in the natal chart. But by studying the language I have realized how amazing God must be. But I am most interested in WHAT the language tells me, the spiritual piece. And that has nothing to do with how much education you have. That has to do with your soul. And we all have one.

I think a good place to start might be with something not to technical. Something like Newton's Lives Between Lives. It is not at all technical or astrological but talks about the structure of the after life in down to earth practical terms. Dr Newton, a psychologist, regressed thousands of clients to the in between life state.

I do not know however if a book group is appropriate within this forum, and do not know how we would actually do it in terms of posting etc.

[I Have A Dream]

20. What if we had one thread that contained everything in reference...

to the particular book? Or we could have one thread for each section. (e.g., one thread per week which only discusses the section that is for that particular week.)

I think that the logistics might be the most difficult part. (i.e., making sure that everyone has the book in time, etc.)

I like the idea of Newton's Lives Between Lives.

[cassiepriam]

24. That is a good idea, I do not know if it is allowed on this board?

We should ask the mods for permission?

[I Have A Dream]

25. That's probably a smart thing to do. Other people here might have...

a better idea than I would as to what's permissible, because I've only been coming to the group for a couple of months.

[MissWaverly]

9. interesting post

Where I work, the folders I work with are organized by birthday, the one interesting
thing is that people with similar career choices are born in clusters, it happens
over and over again, it's amazing.

[cassiepriam]

12. Yes exactly, that is part of my point

People with similar birthdays have similar soul internal wiring but as I said before we are all totally unique. Think of grapes hanging in a cluster. Sharing much DNA but still no one the same.

It is frustrating, so complex but so simple. I wonder if we will ever
be able to understand it all in this lifetime?

[MissWaverly]

14. No, we can't

but that's why our friendships matter since they lead to more understanding and sharing
of information.

[cassiepriam]

15. yes I agree

we won't ever learn it all, and yes collaboration and discussion is vital for learning. There are so many gifts on this board I learn from every post I read.

[MissWaverly]

16. I like the astrology threads

because they are upbeat, I believe that we try to do important things with our activism
but we must remember not to get sucked down into hatred and depression. We must move
forward and remember to always keep in mind the essential goodness of people.

[cassiepriam]

21. Yes you are right

I have to work every day to release my anger, it only feeds the despotic regime we live under. The human part of me wants to kick their *****. But of course that is not the way. Living in this human body is not always easy.

And I try to forgive all the unevolved souls around me. They will be learning some very hard lessons in the next decade I am afraid.

[MissWaverly]

22. You know I was thinking about that

the nuns used to always say, what good does it do a man if he gains the world but loses
his soul. What kind of a sad game is it when a man has to apologize to someone who shoots
him (because he is a powerful man). The poorer man must play the fool and appease the
power broker. How sad. Let us remember each of us is important. Each one of us has
something unique that only belongs to him and can give the world something it has never had
before. I do art, sometime I do something good, I have about a dozen good pieces, no one
else can possibly do them, they can copy them once they are done, but no one else can
create them, that's what it is for every person, every one of us is a work of art, a chance for goodness, a unique creation for the world.

[cassiepriam]

23. The nuns were right. And so are you.

Amen and thanks. Keep creating that art work, when we create from our heart it is a gift from God.

[MissWaverly]

26. thank you

I feel really hopeful today, my sister says that she goes to bed every night with
a smile thinking about what Fitzgerald is up to.

[cassiepriam]

27. I did a karmic reading of his natal chart a while back

And he is right on target with his soul purpose.
It was uncanny.

His work will be done in a slow methodical way and he will not work to anyone else's expectations, he may piss off both sides as he goes. But he will do the right thing and trust his inner wisdom. He has a strong intuitive almost psychic part to him and he knows fully what the repug crooks are up to but he knows he has to prove it. They do not realize that he has that psychic piece to him, because he covers it up by looking and acting like a bureaucrat.

He must cross all his t's and dot his i's first. And he cannot go out on a limb or it will not work for him. He may not work in a big dramatic way, but his work will be an important piece of things on some level, some of the levels we may never know publicly but it will be there just the same. My .02

[MissWaverly]

28. thank you for the upbeat message

I have the strongest feeling that the tipping point will be from the Justice Department,
it will be strong and will not be spinnable and I think Fitzgerald may be the one to
do this, and I have great respect for John Conyers, who has acted with courage throughout
these last 5 years and I think that his efforts to expose corruption and illegal acts
will produce results.