Anybody ever tried manifestation?

[FreedomAngel82]

I was encouraged by a fellow Duer (she can tell if she wants) to try manifestation to let the Universe know my idea to find the 'perfect guy.' Has anyone here ever tried manifestation and how has it worked for you? Did you do it everyday? How long did it take for you? I'm just wondering since I've never tried it before.

[I Have A Dream]

1. I'm the person with whom FA82 was discussing this. It would be...

really interesting to hear others' experiences with manifestation. My method worked for me, but it's not necessarily the best way, and definitely not the only way. We were both wondering about other people's methods. We were specifically discussing manifesting the relationship that one wants. (Although methods of manifesting other things would also be interesting.)

My method (which was given to me by a channeled guide) is as follows:

- Take a piece of paper and, in a very detailed manner, make a list of the things that you want in a mate. It can be things like looks (e.g., black hair) or something as important as being open to metaphysical things.
- After making the list, go through and mark each item as being 'extremely important', 'important', 'somewhat important', or 'nicety'.
- At the end of the list, write something similar to 'This or something better for the highest good of all involved.' This allows the Universe to have some flexibility while still taking your concerns/wants into account.
- Every day, go back to the list and spend some time just concentrating on the list.


I did this when I was looking for a relationship. I started doing it sometime around November, and I met my husband the following February. He doesn't match my list exactly, but the matching's pretty amazing in reference to the things that really matter.

Prior to receiving this method, I was always told (in women's magazines) to just be open to anything to allow more options. The channeled guide said that being specific is what makes it happen. (Thinking clearly and in detail about something is the first step towards making it happen and allows you to be more in control of what happens rather than your being a "victim of circumstance".)

[FreedomAngel82]

2. What if you accidently forget the last part?

:blush: I'll have to go and add that part tonight.

[I Have A Dream]

5. I think that the more you do the last part, the more likely you...

are to manifest what you want. If you forget one day, don't beat yourself up -- just try to do it for at least 30 days.

[FreedomAngel82]

6. Okay

:) I made sure to do the most focus on that. :)

[cassiepriam]

7. Yes do try the writing on paper at night asking for what you want.

Then when it is manifested burn the paper.
Also say a prayer not asking for anything specific.
Just ask that you be aligned with God's will, that you be in tune with your higher purpose and soul mission. And ask
that whatever you need will be brought to you.

I always do the specific and the general. Some of the prayer research supports the later as the most successful prayer.

Oh I also do this with my heart chakra meditation, the most powerful of all meditations for me.

Some of us have more power to manifest than others. This is indicated in your natal chart aspects. But it is a two edged sword. If not careful we can manifest the negative easily.

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Thanks for all of that

:) Do you really have to burn it? (Just want to make sure)

[I Have A Dream]

60. IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION to my post above

One of the steps given above is to write "This or something better for the highest good of all involved." In addition to what I said above about this statement, this also makes sure that everyone's highest good is considered. If what you want isn't for the highest good of another person, your manifestation request won't negatively impact them. It's very important to think of this when you go through this process.

[I Have A Dream]

94. ANOTHER FINE DETAIL about this manifestation technique

It's my understanding that the Universe best understand positive statements rather than negative. Therefore, it is better to say that you want to find someone who is honest than it is to say that you want to find someone who does not lie.

It's not always possible to put things in the positive, but if you can, it will help.

[Matariki]

3. ALL THE TIME!!!

it's fun. i take walks and decide on some odd item i want to see or find along the way. quarters, specific playing cards, toys. it's a great way to practice 'manifesting' things - combination of visualization and that little oomph of will ;-)

[FreedomAngel82]

4. Thanks

I'll have to try it. :)

[japple]

8. I've been unconsciously doing this for years. Many years ago

I visualized myself in a particular job, and within a couple of years, I was in that exact situation. I worked there for 10 years. A couple of years ago, my husband and I made a decision to move to GA to care for my father. When people asked me if I would get a job when we moved, I always said, "Yes, but maybe not working as hard as I have been." I found the perfect job for me--2 days a week with benefits. And since my husband died, caring for my father has become my main responsibility, so everything worked out well for all of us.

[FreedomAngel82]

10. Aw I'm sorry about your husband

:( :hug:

[LaurenG]

9. Whether we realize it or not we do a form of manifestation

all the time. Thinking something enough will manifest it, good or bad. Thoughts are things, as a man thinketh so he is, etc. I have been really interested in seeing how the "will" works in manifesting quickly. I think it depends on how badly something is felt to be needed or wanted.

My husband and I had an interesting experience this weekend. We went to the holistic health fair and spent several hours just wandering and learning things. When we came out we tried to start the car but the battery was dead as we had left the lights on in the car. I called AAA and we waited, intermittently trying the ignition hoping that somehow the car would start. Finally my husband just stated out loud that he was sick of waiting and would fire up the battery with his own energy. He put the key in the ignition and it started right up as if there were never a problem. We both just sat there looking at each other and burst out laughing. There is a way to manifest quickly, I just think we need to figure out what works for us and practice it. Anyone else have any experiences like that?

[FreedomAngel82]

11. Oh wow

That's pretty amazing right there.

[cassiepriam]

13. The burn part is optional as far as I am concerned

And remember the paper is to be destroyed only after what you have asked for is manifested. Until then look at the paper every night and say a prayer.

The burn part comes from my good friend who is an esoteric clairvoyant with extensive Hindu training. But I am always afraid I will burn the house down so I flush the paper down the toilet instead.

Wasn't there a Friends episode where the girls were burning up the belongings of an old boyfriend and the fireman who came to put out the resultant fire was young and handsome and ended up dating the girl who had just been dumped? :))

For heaven's sake be careful, maybe you should be careful, unless of course there are some good looking guys on the Fire Dept., since I think that is what you are manifesting :))

[bliss_eternal]

19. I've heard of making collages or using pictures, too

collecting pictures that represent desires or things one would like to manifest. Then you can place them in a notebook to page through and look at daily, or all on a bulletin board or a piece of paper. Just like the list, you look at it and focus in on it daily...

I've read of some having success with this, too! :)

[FreedomAngel82]

29. Oh really?

Hm. I don't know if I could do that one though. I don't like tearing things out of magazines. Call me weird. :)

[bliss_eternal]

51. Oh--I'm sorry.

Didn't mean to offend.

[I Have A Dream]

66. I've heard of this also. A couple of ideas using this method..

are to create a collage of things that you'd like to have in your life or a collage of the things that make you happy. It's also really fun to do! (It's even fun for a child to do.)


:hi: bliss_eternal!

[bliss_eternal]

89. It sounds fun--

I'd like to try it and see how it works!

:hi: I Have A Dream!

[FreedomAngel82]

28. LOL

Well I wrote it all down in a journal but I can always re-write it to later be destroyed. Wouldn't I clog up the toliet though? :\ I do remember that "Friends" episode. That was back when I was watching it regularly.

[cassiepriam]

54. Maybe God will bring you a plumber then? LOL

One with a cute butt crack? Sorry could not resist.

[bliss_eternal]

14. Great thread--

thanks for starting it! :hi:

[cassiepriam]

15. Jupiter-Mars aspect in the natal chart indicates the ability to manifest

We can all manifest, but Jupiter in aspect to Mars, or Mars in Sag or Pisces and Jupiter in Aries or Scorpio, Jup in 12th denotes a strong karmic gift in manifestation.

This aspect has the power to achieves its aims and objectives. It has learned in past lives to visualize, affirm, and bring things into manifestation. It is one of greatest karmic gifts or one of the biggest liabilities.
It can manifest negative as well as positive thoughts. And can bring forward deep strong programs from the past.

Any one with these aspects will find affirmations a powerful tool.

[u4ic]

18. Thanks for that info!

I have Mars in Leo conjunct Jupiter in Cancer(4th) trine Saturn in Pisces(12th).

Would my Mars/Jupiter aspect, square to my Ascendant, create any problems with manifestation?

[cassiepriam]

21. It is a complicated aspect with gifts and handicaps...

Oh I love the water and fire going on.
I have to go get dinner ready! Will post in a while!

[u4ic]

49. Thanks, I would love to hear it, cassiepriam!

My ascendant's in Aries (25), btw. (Jup 24 Cancer, Mars 0 Leo)

Much of my chart is fire and earth...NO air at all, other than the Desc, and only 1 planet in an air house (7th). Sun (Virgo, 5th) and Mercury (Leo, 5th) are in mutual reception, though.

It's mindboggling to try and interpret all this stuff. :crazy:

[cassiepriam]

53. Thank you for the asc sign, I was wondering about that.

Yes it is mind boggling. In my real life, or day job, I have extensive training in a scientific field requiring the blending and interpretation of complex data. I used to think it was difficult until I started studying astrology. Now I realize my day job is a cake walk.

Very interesting also about the sun/merc com. Where is your moon, is it in fire or earth?

The message seems clear that you are meant to work on these enegies. When a fire and earth chart is working well, it can have tremendous staying power. You are meant to harness the energy of the fire and use it for earth practical tasks. If you block the fire you will have occasional explosions till you get it right. And look at the Jupiter-Mars aspect, it is telling you some of the same things. But with fire and water.
Funny that the asc is fire sign since that is the theme of the conjunction. You have saturn sending the conjuction watery energy and the asc sending fire. You are meant to blending and working on the water fire energy. I have a lot more to say, will do another post about all of this when I can.

[u4ic]

67. cassiepriam, this is so fascinating!

Thank you for spending the time explaining it.

I have the Moon in Capricorn (loose square to Saturn, x( 9 degrees, separating) in the 9th, conjunct the MC. (Mercury, Venus and Mars are in Leo, the first two conjunct, and in 5th).

Now that you mention it...water...I often neglect the kite in my chart, mostly because I don't understand it, and haven't found any good explanations about them. It's mostly water (Saturn in Pisces, 12th opposite Uranus/Pluto in Virgo in 6th, and the two sextiles are Jupiter, and Neptune in Scorpio in the 7th).

Maybe I have more water energy than I thought? Gack, this makes me all :crazy:

I'm curious what karmic astrology says about a lacking element. I've heard both, that it needs to be worked on, and also that it has been worked on in previous lives and doesn't need to be anymore. What is your observation?

Thanks for all the info! :bounce: :hi:

[I Have A Dream]

69. I also have been wondering about having a lack of planets in...

certain elements. I personally don't have any planets in fire and only one planet in air. I'm about equal earth and water. (I posted a thread earlier wondering if a person might be able to help this a bit using feng shui, but I got no responses to it.)

Great question, u4ic! :)

[cassiepriam]

70. Elements

The elements represent the four areas of consciousness:
body and matter(earth), emotions (water), mind and intellect (air)
and spirit and intuition (fire).

According to some karmic experts an imbalance (no planets in an element or more than three) can mean either it has been successfully developed in the past, or it is an important area to work on in this life. Which option is usually indicated in the chart. For example for a water imbalance look at the water houses, 4, 8, 12. If these houses are full of planets then there may be a need to develop the water function further. If there is a lack of planets in water signs, and the water houses are empty then it is possible the feeling function has been balanced out in the past.

[u4ic]

71. Thanks!

Do you have any books you could recommend? I'd love to read more about karmic astrology. :hi:

[cassiepriam]

72. Yes

Anything by Judy Hall. She is the best.

[u4ic]

74. Thank you

I'll try and find some of her books.

[cassiepriam]

80. Karmic books and more.............

I confess I have at least 100 books on karmic astrology, astrology, reincarnation, esoterics, spirituality, mysticism, and quantum physics. Here are some of my favorites.

I tend to read the PH.D's and M.D’s as they have a great deal to lose by writing the books, their professional reputations are at stake and they have done their homework.

Judy Hall's Patterns of the Past is my bible, and Karmic Connections and her little Astrology Bible are very good. Be prepared to read them for several years, they look so easy, but wow, they are not! I read them every night and learn so much every time I pick them up. She writes like a poet/novelist, hates the cookbook approach, so you really have to focus as she combines theory and practice in every sentence.

Also get some good books on reincarnation, and lives between lives.

I love Brain Weiss's work, and Michael Newton, Lives Between Lives. I am particularly interested in lives between lives. That is really a strong interest of mine I was a total skeptic till I started reading those two fellows. They changed my life. So many things fell into place.

Spiller and McCoys Spiritual Astrology is good.

You might want to read some of the Vedics. They have been doing karmic astrology for 5000 years. I love all their work on the nodes. Will blow you away, every node degree is its own chapter. They tend to be hard to understand but if you are interested I can get you the ones I like. In California Vedic astrology is all the rage I hear so there are a couple of goof books by American vedics. I can get you the those names too if you are interested.

And I have ordered some books on solar eclipses and the natal chart, I am very interested in that area, but no one writes much about them. I know that they are important but few others think so yet. When I get them I can tell you if they are any good.

I also love Judith Orloff, she is an energy healer, an MD in Calif. I read anything I can get in the area of energy healing, meditation, medical meditation. I can get you some names in those areas if you are interested.

Also the works of Kahill Gilbran.

I also like to read the very esoteric work of the Ascended Masters, but it is a hard read. I also have some other favorites but too strange to recommend them!

Also I read about some of the people I have karmic links to, St Francis of Assisi, Mary, St Thomas Moore, and Jane Austin.

BTW if anyone wants to have a group read I would love to do that on any of these topics.

[u4ic]

85. I just realized

I have a Judy Hall book! The Karmic Journey.

I've read some of your recommendations, especially Brian Weiss, Judith Orloff and Khalil Gibran. The Life Between Lives book was amazing, I agree. I should re-read them.

I'd love to do a group read of some of those books as well. Perhaps a past life one?

[cassiepriam]

87. When the student is ready the teacher appears

Judy Hall has been sitting on your bookshelf just waiting for you.
Karmic Journey is the best.

She is my main inspiration and mentor! Her book will explain what I am talking about.

I had such a strange experience when I read Newton's book. An epiphany of sorts. Beyond strange. Everything became very clear to me.

Weiss are Newton arte so brave, they have become the subject of much ridicule in the medical community because of their public stands. Orloff too. She is a genius and in the future psychiatry will be practiced the way she does it. She is a head of her time by about a 100 years. Get her new book, it will become a classic.

I would love a group read, is there a way to do that on this forum?
And I am open to whatever one people want to do. We could spend years on Halls Karmic Journey, maybe we need an easier one!

[cassiepriam]

82. I need to see it, can you send me your chart?

[FreedomAngel82]

31. How did you figure out your information?

[u4ic]

48. Go to

www.astro.com and sign up for a free chart.

It's an incredible resource. :hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

63. Is it free to sign up?

And where do I go for the chart?

[jbnow]

64. It is free

you would go to *free charts* link and then to *Personal Portrait*. It will tell you your placements and aspects and give their description of some of them.

[I Have A Dream]

73. This is a wonderful site, u4ic! Thanks so much for posting it.

:)

[u4ic]

75. You're welcome!

I love to play around with the charts...under free horoscopes, you'll find "extended chart selections". :hi:

[cassiepriam]

93. So do I. What things do you look at for for ??

The extended chart selection area is like a candy store for me.

[u4ic]

95. I'm not nearly as advanced as you are

I check the transit and progression charts.

I often look for things like asteroids or fixed stars...I'll read something somewhere, and look for the placement in my chart.

I also look at the synastry and composite charts...again, I'm not an expert, but there are a few things I can pick up here and there.

You must find so much more! :hi:

[cassiepriam]

96. No, I am not advanced at all.

The astrological code is far from cracked as far as I am concerned.

Karmic looks at transits, not much at progressions. I am still working
on the whole area of transits. Composite charts are also on my list to tackle. There are not enough hours in the day.

[FreedomAngel82]

98. Oh I love them

I'm looking now at my chart and it's telling me about myself and everything is so spot on. :) Except I used to be really shy when I was younger but now that I've come out of my shell it is all right what it says. Can anybody here do a reading on my chart if I provide the chart and will the reading work if it's from this site?

[cassiepriam]

59. I have been studying like a mad woman for a year now

Anything and everything, western, vedic, but mainly everything spiritual and karmic.

I don't have much time to study, I am the mother of a 9 y/o
and have a very busy career in a difficult field. So I can only study on the fly, but I am pretty obsessed with it. I am only learning. But recently things have gelled very nicely for me. I see the charts in 3-D. So strange.

[I Have A Dream]

61. cassiepriam, I'd like to pay to have a karmic reading.

Given your expertise in this area, are you able to recommend someone to do this? (I totally respect your knowledge in this area, so I'd really trust anyone that you'd recommend.)

Any help finding a quality person to do this would be greatly appreciated! :)

[cassiepriam]

77. Karmic reading

Judy Hall is the karmic astrology genius as far as I am concerned in terms of her texts on the subject. She does do readings but to be honest I have not seen the quality of her readings. I would like to assume that her readings are as good as her books, but I must admit that this is not always the case. The reading is pricey about $200. I am planning to get one myself from her for my birthday! But as I say I cannot vouch for the actual quality of her readings. Also keep in mind she cannot give you specific past lives but generalities of past life issues.

Her website http://www.judyhall.co.uk/

If you buy her books you can learn it yourself! Her books are very deceptive in that they look easy at first read. It is only after reading them for almost a year I realize how meaty they are.

[I Have A Dream]

79. Thank you so much for the recommendation!

I love karmic astrology!

[cassiepriam]

81. Also if you want a specific past lives reading I can give you a name

I know someone who is a very good clairvoyant who can give you past lives very specifically and other info. She does phone readings.

[I Have A Dream]

91. I would be very interested in this information, cassiepriam.

Thank you for sharing it!

Finding out such things is both exciting and scary because we might find things out about ourselves that we might not like. However, I think that it can really help to understand some of the current issues that we have with much less effort than it normally would take otherwise.

[cassiepriam]

92. Oh never be afraid. It is all God's gift to us.

And we chose the challenges, we knew we could do it.
And we never find out anything that really shocks us.
Because on some level we have known it all along,
and facing it will set us free, will release the karma from the past.

Absolutely you are right. God gave us our treatment plan so to speak on the day we were born. Instead of bumbling around why don't we just read it.
I hate all this trial and error stuff. Let's cut to the chase and get on with it.

That is why I love doing this work, helps people cut thru the crap and evolve! We can burn off a lot of karma and maybe even skip some lives. Yes.

I am still debating whether I will come back one more life or not. Haven't decided. It all depends upon whether or not I can balance out what I need to balance out in this life. But that is a whole other story.

Can you PM me? Can you tell me generally what you want in the reading?
YOu do not have to tell me private specific parts. But you can ask her anything at all. I am going to contact the person I have mentioned and help you two get into contact. She is an amazing person. Clairvoyant since birth, extensive Hindu training, she channels the ascended masters. She is very talented and very kind. She and I have worked together in many past lives.

[cassiepriam]

76. Comments on the aspect

To answer your question about the will to manifest and your aspect. I think that this is an important karmic issue for you. You are meant to work on power and will. Since your Mars and Jup are conjunct you have worked on the use of power and assertion in many past lives. You are finally getting it right, good for you! But your are meant to further refine it and actually use it for your soul purpose (look at north node for more clues).

You are bringing forward from past lives an ability to visualize, affirm, and bring things into manifestation. The down side is that this will to manifest can bring forward old negative patterns from the past which may be in direct opposition to what the conscious mind wants. For example you may bring forward old vows of poverty or celibacy that hold you back from achieving what you want in this life. You must become very aware of these old blockages as they will be powerful for you, and then reprogram or release them.

Also work on developing the most positive aspects of each sign and the planets in question. Work on the positive side of Leo, self confident and creative, not the rash arrogant part. And the caring nurturing part of cancer, not the jealous possessive side. These two energies must be balanced in this life.

The Saturn trine is interesting and indicates a strong karmic issue as well. Saturn is the Lord of Karma and he is at home in the 12 house, the house of karma, but it means you carry a heavy karmic load. And the Lord of Karma is not so happy in Pisces, he tends to get frustrated with that placement as restrictions can cause frustrations, and there are issues around fluidly and isolation. Saturn in this placement will deliver karmic gifts but usually around middle age. The emphasis prior to that is releasing old karmic issues, feelings of separation and isolation, fears etc. A focusing on knowing who you are, an internal awareness will help you become self reliant, confident, strong, and wise. The Saturnian gifts. All this power flowing into your mars/jup conj!

Saturn trines your conjunction, meaning you are to work on controlling your self assertion, not feeling powerless or helpless, and concentrating your will and self assertion. The Jupiter to Saturn aspect gives you innate wisdom, and growth thru practical spirituality. Please watch out for compulsive eating or spending with this placement. Saturn wants you to focus your will in a productive way, with appropriate limits.

The square with the Aries asc is saying the same thing, you must develop a sense of yourself, ego strength, avoid self focus, or giving up too much of yourself.

I think you have a very good potential for manifestation, it will develop later in life in a much stronger way. And you need to be working on the issues outlined above. You must be careful not to get into a lot of negative thinking as it can be manifested, and also be aware of blockages.

[u4ic]

83. That is SO spot-on,

it's amazing! Unfortunately, even the reference to old vows...which I don't want to carry with me.

It is so amazing to hear your interpretation of it. As I'm reading it, I can see very specific examples from my life in there...how some patterns were created...just incredible.

Thank you for that! It reinforces the personal work I'm doing now. :hug:

[FreedomAngel82]

30. How do you know if you have that?

I have no clue how to read charts or anything like that. I do know I'm a spell caster though. I've had lots of stuff work.

[jbnow]

45. I can tell you what you have

with birth place, date and time. Even without time you can know aspects except angles and Moon.

[FreedomAngel82]

90. Do you think you can tell me??

My birth place is Charlotte, North Carolina on July 18, 1982 at 8:00pm est.

[jbnow]

46. Never heard that...

makes some sense...though still have to ponder it.

I have AC/Jupiter Uranus Cancer 1st trine Saturn/Venus Scorpio trine Pisces Mars/MC.

Since Saturn return manifestations come abundantly. But I thought it was the Jupiter/Uranus opposite Chiron square Neptune (4th) T-square come to life.

Curious why you attribute Jupiter/Mars to manifestation.

[cassiepriam]

56. Karmic astrology

Yes we do things a bit differently in the karmic world, I know. It is really the lunatic fringe of astrology I confess.
But I love it. Please feel free to poke holes in everything I say or do, that is how we learn and grow.

Power and will are very important karmic themes which we work on through many lives. It will be clearly spelled out in the natal chart if that is a theme we are to work on in this life.
There are many types of will, and many ways of using it.

Also in karmic astrology we are most interested in outer to inner planet aspects, those are the issues that are karmic in nature. Personal to personal planet is not as important to us, as it is just day to day stuff in this life. In karmic astrology we keep our eyes on the ball, that is the long view of soul evolution.

Think about Mars, it represents creative force imposing its will. Then think about Jupiter which represents the soul triumphing over earthly experiences (look at its glyph, the soul rising above matter). Jupiter is the planet of expansion, optimism, faith and visualization. Then think about the two energies together. Bingo, manifestation potential.

The problem with any very complex technical field like astrology is that we get very bogged down at the micro technical level. And we should do so to some extent because it is important to stay close to the data for the sake of accuracy. However we need to sit back at times and go back to the maco level, and just think about what the planets really mean. Astrology is so complex requiring a constant shift back and forth between minutia and global issues, micro and macro. It really is an art and science. Just my .02.

[cassiepriam]

58. Transits trigger the trine, trines tend to need a jump start

And there is a lot of individual variation in transit response, because each person has different past lives. And people can react internally or externally to energy shifts in the chart. Reaction can be quite subtle or blatant.

Chiron is a very important part of karmic work, it is a cosmic messenger telling us about our wounds from past lives, transformation (personal and universal) and healing. When personal woundedness is cleared a person can channel spiritual energy for the purpose of healing others. It is complicated depending on house and sign. I think you have a 6h chiron? If so, you have a deep impulse towards healing and service, but first you are going to have to heal some deep karmic wounds. When that is achieved you will then pass on your healing abilities to help others.

Your chiron neptune aspect is also very karmic. But I have to run to my "real" job now. Do not have time right now to tell you about it! Let me know if want to hear more.

[jbnow]

65. No holes to poke

I am open.
The part of astrology I feel best and felt first was planets, I do know what you mean. I'm not saying I know karmic astrology, just that I get what you are saying.
Though I know the technicalities of astrology I feel it more then I think it. Not sure how to describe that.

The second point on my chart that made sense to me was my 9th house Mars in Pisces...in part because it is inspiration that moves me to action. After reading your 1st post it then made some sense to me. I would think of Mars/Jupiter as more...being very physically active but that doesn't describe me at all. The part I wasn't thinking was how you put it here "creative force imposing its will"

I can never take my Jupiter alone, it's within a degree of Uranus, but that's beside the point.

When you say "outer to inner planet aspects" are you including the social planets as outer, Jupiter and Saturn? Or just Jupiter?

I came to astrology late, I thought it was stupid (knowing mostly just what they said about Sun signs then). I am almost glad because one of the most fascinating things was looking back at transits during key times in my past. We obviously don't need to know or believe in astrology to feel it's effects. There were some key times...that were so perfectly reflected in the transits that had I known astrology I'd almost have mistrusted my actions, thinking I was influenced by the knowledge.

But there were some strong consistently strong transit triggers where nothing was being aspected. I kept looking. One turned out to be Jupiter(Uranus)/Pluto, one Jupiter(Uranus)/Saturn. I don't mean regular big things, I mean...where you feel the hand of fate (even when I didn't believe in such a thing, I felt it's pull) or strong "magical" manifestations. But the other points that are likewise come from unrelated branches of astrology. The draconic chart angles. Then from ancient astrology the part of Jupiter (though that degree is also Jupiter/part of spirit midpoint and Pluto/AC midpoint, who knows) and a couple other parts...and a couple of antiscions. I know you aren't encouraged to mix differing schools that way...but it just keeps my eyes open. Somethings kicks in to transits on those degrees, not otherwise explained.

I looked for sites on karmic astrology before but don't recall finding much but books. Do you have sites you recommend? I vaguely recall nodes as part of it? Mine is partile my Sun, like 0d12". I might be confusing what I read there about nodes to elsewhere. I keep hearing to move away from SN and toward NN and I'm never sure if I agree...because it is an axis. I can use my 12th house SN to express my 6th house NN...but I'm queasy in seeing SN as something we LEAVE rather then use. We...balance the axis. I feel it better then I say it. But again, I don't even know what karmic astrology says.

My Chiron is in the 7th...the T-square parts are all 27 degrees, cardinal signs.
I watch Chiron...I am not firm on it yet. I know the myth and what it's said to mean. I watch it in peoples charts...natal and in transit. It seems...as a vague impression that...if we open to the pain or the wontedness it also brings it's own healing...and has a "magical" nature. But it is our tendency to avoid or put up walls to deep pain, to resist rather then open to it, to turn away rather then face it...and thus we create more pain over the pain.

Ok I am rambling on here. But you can probably tell I'd like to hear more.

By the name of it I tend toward karmic astrology, likely not by technique since I don't know it. But it's draw is...seeing the path we came to walk, the timing, the turns, the reflection of the souls choice. But honestly, what in the world were our souls thinking?

I'm open to hearing anything you have to say.

[cassiepriam]

88. Transits and more

I came late to this as well. I wish I were younger, I would have gone into karmic teaching and writing. But it does not seem possible to learn all I need to know in this life to do that. Yes I am very blessed with the wisdom brought forward from past lives, but still too late for this lifetime I think, to do what I would like to do. Maybe in the next one :)

Yes there isn’t much out there in terms of karmic resources. And the books and websites which are available, half of them are not very good. So that is why I put together my own karmic program. Studying western and eastern astrology and combining the best of each. Western for the technical and psychological approaches and eastern for the mystical spiritual pieces, all their works on nodes. In India astrologers as seen as priests, religious figures. In the west much more psychological. Karmic astrology is both.

Yes astrology is a strange learning process. I spent a long time just cramming the knowledge into my head. Then one day it shifted to my gut and I started seeing the charts in 3D and dreaming about them at night. So I knew I was achieving the balance I am meant to work on in this life. I have a heavy duty 6/12 and Pisces/Virgo theme in this life. I have to integrate analytical with spiritual, do so in a practical spiritual way and be of service to others. I ignore this karmic message at my own peril soul wise.

The natal chart is basically written in highly sophisticated cosmic code, and we can spend a great deal of time trying to figure it all out. I get so frustrated, I know the chart is talking to me, I just cannot understand what it is saying. I throw my astrology books across the room, then pick them back up the next day. The natal chart is the tool to understanding our karmic destiny, so like it or not I must learn the astrological code to decipher the karma. The code itself isn't divinity, but comes from the divine.

I have to keep going back and forth between the micro and macro. Looking at at the technical end of it, then go back to theory. I think reading classical Greek and Roman mythology helps bring me back to the original concepts. The ancients were tuned into the spirit world much more so we are today.

Oh yes Mars in Pisces will manifest totally different than say Mars in Aries. The elements are filters that change how the planetary energy will manifest. Look at your chart. See Mars pop out in 3-D, watch him spinning in a fog of water, spiritual and intuitive, passive and amorphous, fluid. That is how his energy manifests in Pisces. Gifts of imagination, self sacrifice, empathy, intuition. Down side is impractical, martyrdom, fantasy lovers. But you are meant to work on that and balance it out. Karmic folks emphasize balancing out the chart in the present incarnation. We believe in free will. It is your choice to work on the issues or not.

Outer planets are Jupiter onward: Jup, Sat, Chir, Ura, Nep, Pluto. Jup doesn’t mean a whole lot in karmic work but just magnifies things.

Transits act as the triggers for karmic energy patterns. Orbs are at least 4-5 degrees around each side of exact for outer planet transits. The effects of the transits are felt for a long time before and after especially when retrograde and appear to go back and forth. The first pass will be subtle, the second more obvious, etc. Personal planet transits will be felt for only weeks or days at most. Outer planet transits will be felt for years or months. Pluto, Uranus, Neptune are the karmic heavy hitters, in terms of transits.

I know nothing about midpoints; I want to learn about them, they are next on my list to tackle.

Yes the nodes are extremely important in karmic work. And Chiron. And you are right about how it is meant to be interpreted. But the vedics write books and books on the nodes so there is so much to learn about them. The nodes are an axis and it is about balancing the south and north. Bring forward the wisdom of the south node and leave behind the dysfunctional part. Bring forward the good of the south node and blend it into the north node to achieve the soul's purpose. The nodes are magical in my mind. The signs and house placement tell the story of how and what. Balance, balance,balance. When you have it balanced the karma is released and your soul has evolved.

Are you saying that your north node is practically on top of your sun? If that is the case, this means that your chart is sending you a strong strong message and it is marked URGENT. You are meant to develop the positive qualities of the sign in which they are placed. You have worked on it a great deal in the past, but now you are to work at it hard and you chose to be on the fast track and make it all happen in this life. I do not know what the rest of your chart says but that is what this is saying if I understood you correctly about the conj.

Chiron in important too, 7th house of course means your soul is wounded in the area of relationships. I do not know what sign you have, could tell you more about the past life damage. Yes with Chiron, the first step is to heal the karmic pain, do personal transformation and then the power to transform others will come through your pain. The cardinal square with your Chiron is quite significant. This means that the issues raised in that square are karma in the making. Patterns arising in the present life can be used positively or negatively,but they effects will be with you in many lives to come, good or bad.

Yes you do have a strong karmic sense; we see things in a similar way. And yes I laugh all the time, what were our souls thinking indeed. It made so much sense at the time between lives. Some us have loaded up our charts, and then stamped it urgent. Our guides and angels try to talk us out of it, but we don’t listen. When will we learn?

[u4ic]

16. It hasn't worked for me yet

(for larger issues) but I should try again; I don't think I was ready for what I asked for previously, nor do I think I did it properly.

[FreedomAngel82]

32. I would try again

I wouldn't give up. Maybe you did it wrong or like you said the Universe just knew. I always believe that things happen for a purpose. I don't believe in coincidences. Not after my experiences in life of course. :) At least on the bigger things in life. If you feel as though you should try again than go for it!

[bliss_eternal]

17. Would anyone be interested in a manifestation check-in...?

...group? Here, in this forum? We would all keep our desires to manifest secret-to ourselves. As conditions, situations, things from our lists manifest in our lives we could check in on a thread and share it. Kind of a way to support each other in our goals...

Maybe silly. No biggie if no one wants to do this. Just a suggestion, as a way to show each other that our thoughts can create our reality. :hi:

(not to hijack the thread...sorry):blush:

[cassiepriam]

20. I'm in

[I Have A Dream]

22. Sounds interesting. Count me in. n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

33. That could be fun!

[u4ic]

50. Great idea!!

I'll participate.

[Dora]

23. My husband had a run of manifestations yesterday, w/out trying.

It blew his mind. Things like the perfect parking spot, the uncrowded grocery store at a peak shopping time, the fresh produce he thought wouldn't be available was. He was tickled.

Little manifestations happen to me frequently, and I'm always thrilled when they do. And now that I've thought it about it a bit, I can see that larger manifestations have happened in my life too, albeit unconsciously.

[FreedomAngel82]

34. Right

In the past whenever I'm having a very slow day I can wish for the time to go faster (I have a little spell that popped out of nowhere one day) and I say it and wish for it all the time and time goes by faster. Sometimes things don't work but I've had things work a couple of times. Like if I'm in a hurry and running late the street lights will be on my side and stuff.

[Matariki]

24. The underlying idea of course is that reality follows thought

so you need to direct your thoughts along the lines of the way you want reality to be. easier said then done naturally, we all have all sorts of chatter going on all the time, a lot of it being worry, fear and other negative stuff.

[Matariki]

25. I'll tell you all a great 'not so secret' secret

if you visualize your desire during orgasm it will manifest MUCH faster and with more certainty. It can especially help to encode your desire into a symbol and look at it (without thinking about the actual desire itself) during orgasm. A classic technique is to write your desire out as a sentence, cross out all duplicated letters and use the remaining letters to form a 'sigil'. Or write a paragraph and use the first letter of each word.

Works like magick ;-)

edited to remove the evil grin ;-)

[FreedomAngel82]

35. I have heard that

Things happen more powerfully and quickly like that. Wouldn't that be "fixing" things though? I'm always the type that worries about self-gain. :blush: I was really hesitant about doing this at first but I felt encouragment from my guides and my higher self so I said what the hell. I should do something nice for me for once instead of just everyone else. :)

[I Have A Dream]

37. This is a very interesting comment, FA82. There are schools of thought...

that say that there should be no personal gain at all in any spiritual work, and there are others that say that it's a natural part of life, and it's the way that we should live. To me, as long as I'm not injuring anyone else (which is the only way I personally feel that one gets bad karma), things like this aren't at all wrong. The same spirit guide who told me of the manifestation technique would give the analogy of an adult putting on their own oxygen mask in a plane before putting it on the child. If the adult passes out because of a lack of oxygen, he/she can't help the child. I personally feel that we have a responsibility to take care of our own needs also, as long as we're not hurting others. The better we take care of ourselves, the better we can help others and the world.

Also, remember that one of the manifestation steps is to say "This or something better for the highest good of all involved'" so that everyone's highest good is being taken into account. This is an extremely important part of the process. Without it, I'd be concerned about the same thing that you are.

I hope that this helps you to feel less guilty about trying to bring into your life something that's good for you. :hug:

[FreedomAngel82]

42. Thanks

I just always feel so guilty about stuff like that. :blush:

[jbnow]

47. I agree as far as

freely asking for what you desire...what I tend to add is "unless there is some higher reason it be otherwise"

When a desire arises from the heart, rises up from within, that very desire might be inspired.

I've noticed spirit is not easy to boss around so I'm never worried just asking or expressing my desire. In fact spirit is the bossy one...

[I Have A Dream]

52. Absolutely -- that's why the 'for the highest good of all involved'...

is so important. The Universe is the only one that knows what's best for all of us. THe very thing that we want may be the worst possible thing for us or for someone else.

I love the bossy part. Makes me think of a loving parent which knows best! :rofl:

[Matariki]

38. what is wrong with 'self gain' as you put it?

if it's not at the expense of another?

if you were a weight lifter and a heavy object fell on your leg, would you have a moral quandary using the power you gained from weight lifting to move the object?

personally i think we are *supposed* to develop our power to live in the world as 'more than animal' - 'more than human' even. And also to help others find that power in themselves. Finding and developing your power does NOT mean that it's against or over others.

oh and *i think* you shouldn't differentiate between your self and others - meaning you should be just as nice to yourself ;-)

[oxbow]

40. self-delete

[FreedomAngel82]

43. I guess it's apart of who I am

Whenever I'm enjoying something with life I always find a way of feeling guilty. :shrug:

[NMDemDist2]

26. that's how DH ended up with ME!!

:rofl:

he made the list, mediatated on it for about 3 weeks (after I suggested to him to try it-we were best friends at the time)

one day he started acting all weird around me, when I confronted him he confessed he had realized I was his list and was freaked out cuz, don't ya know, "Lovers come and go, but best friends are hard to find"

we've been married 12 years the 4th of Feb. :loveya:

[I Have A Dream]

27. That's such a wonderful story, AZDemoDist6!

:)

[FreedomAngel82]

36. Aw

That's so cute! I used to have a good friend like that and for a while he was acting strange around me and I thought it might be him because of this strong pull I felt towards him but we haven't talked since 2004 and lots of weird stuff there. But hey I know if it is meant to be him he'll come back around with the help of this. :) Did he ever say how he knew?

[NMDemDist2]

39. i guess he started feeling sexually towards me, which was a major

difference in our long standing friendship

:shrug:

[oxbow]

41. Do y'all think I could manifest Inner Peace like this?

It's what I want more than anything right now. And though I've made a lot of progress this last month or so, I'm just not at a place where I can just sit and rest in myself peacefully yet. I really need a break, dammit!

[FreedomAngel82]

44. I'd try it

What have you got to lose? Especially if you're really stressed lately. :) :hug:

[I Have A Dream]

55. oxbow, do you meditate? My guess is yes, but if you don't...

it might help.

Another thing that you might want to try is the following eye exercise:

This exercise will go diagonally both ways, horizontally both ways (from left to right and from right to left), and vertically both ways (from up to down and from down to up).

With your eyes open (trying not to blink during each group, but blink if you have to do so), start by looking in the upper left corner to looking down in the bottom right corner. Do this 20 times. (Just move your eyes from the one position to the other -- from the upper left to the lower right to the upper left to the lower right -- just keep your eyes moving rather quickly). Then do the same thing from the top right corner to the bottom left corner (20 times). Then do the same thing horizontally from left to right (20 times). Then do the same thing horizontally from right to left (20 times). Then do the same thing from the top to the bottom (20 times), and then do the same thing from the bottom to the top (20 times). Finally, do the same thing with your focus (can't actually entirely use your eyes here) from inside your head to outside your body (20 times), and then focus on the outside to the inside of your head (20 times).

This exercise is supposed to do something in the brain. It may help you when you're feeling worried, upset, unsettled, etc.

I hope that it helps. If anyone deserves peace, it's you. :hug:

In reference to the manifestation part, it's certainly worth a try! I think the goal of inner peace is as worthy a goal as anything one would want to manifest.

[I Have A Dream]

57. A FEW SLIGHT CHANGES from what I posted above.

I had to think about this because it had been a long time since I'd done it. On the steps where you go from up to down, right to left, and from inside to outside, you don't need to do them twice. (For example., you'll just do one set of 20 from either left to right or from right to left -- not both.) It doesn't really matter whether you start from the left or the right, from the top or from the bottom, or from the inside or the outside.

One final thing: When you move your eyes, you don't have to see anything but the ends. For example, when you move from left to right, you'll focus where your eyes stop. You don't need to see the rest as you move your eyes.

Sorry for not getting it quite right initially.

[oxbow]

62. Thanks Dream. I gotta try that later today.

THANK YOU for the kind words too. I was feeling pretty good until the last few days. I guess I'm just dealing with the big stuff right now. I'm gonna go to Reiki share later tonight, so maybe that will help too. God bless:loveya:

[I Have A Dream]

78. ONE IMPORTANT THING THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION...

Before you do this, oxbow, you need to initially focus on the memory because it opens the door to the memory so that the eye movement exercise can work. You may then do the eye movements. (It's good if you can continue to focus on the memory, but you don't have to.)

I wanted to relate to you something that just blew me away. While I was reading your initial post this morning, this eye exercise (which I haven't heard anything about or tried for over 5 years) just popped into my mind. Later today, I felt compelled to contact a very good friend who is very gifted in metaphysical things to ask her if she could offer any resources to help you. She strongly recommended a therapist in our area because I forgot to mention that you don't live in our area. I thought that I might as well check out the person's website. The therapist's main tool is this eye movement therapy! I didn't know the name of the therapy, which is called EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing). (It's not exactly the same, but it's very similar.)

I was absolutely blown away by the fact that this came to me and then my gifted friend reconfirmed it by her recommendation.

Here's a link to some information about the process (it's not the website that she gave me):

http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/depression/treatment/emdr/q_and_a.asp


(FreedomAngel82: So sorry for hijacking your thread!)

[u4ic]

84. I Have A Dream, I'm sending your posts

to a friend. He wanted to do EMDR through a therapist, but couldn't afford it (he is already going to one, but it would have cost much more for the EMDR). He is going through a terrible depression, and I thank you so much! :hug:

[I Have A Dream]

86. He can at least get a feel as to whether it might actually be helpful.

I hope that it helps, u4ic. I will keep your friend in my thoughts and prayers.

(You're very welcome!)

:hug:

[u4ic]

68. Bookmarking this thread

Thank you, everyone, for all your insights! :grouphug:

[onecent]

97. I've never heard of this before - I'm so glad to see this -- I have a

son that is very interested in the metaphysical...I think he would find this very interesting.

Thanks for this thread.