I'm leaving and don't know when I'll be back...

[bliss_eternal]

I've had a horrendous day on DU. Without going into details that go against the rules, I'll suffice to say that the last and final straw was being personally harassed by an obvious troll and no one has done anything about it.

It's disheartening and frustrating to feel that you are being abused and to not have a soul acknowledge it or do anything about it. I used to feel safe here...

So...I won't. For now, goodbye. Sorry I didn't check in to the manifestation thread. I was looking forward to that, but I feel too angry, frustrated and depleted by all of this to do anything else.

Sorry.
bliss_e.

[rumpel]

1. Oh, please don't let the negativities of others prevent you from doing

and pursuing things you enjoy...

As we see so many lack courage to stand up

I hope once the anger has settled we'll see you here..

[FreedomAngel82]

2. I wish you wouldn't go

Maybe you should take a break from the place you were harrassed at and just go to places you enjoy. I do that sometimes when other places get annoying etc. to me personally. :hug: I wish you'd stay and at least come here to the astrology forum! And have you tried other mods to see if they can help you? Or just putting this person on ignore? If a person is on ignore can they send you PMs?

[NJCher]

3. don't leave

We want you here. Like FA says, just go to the places you know you'll be free from this sort of thing.




Cher

[bliss_eternal]

31. Hi Cher!

I missed you guys too much to stay away very long. LOL! :loveya:

[NJCher]

39. glad you're back!

I already did my manifestation and it was delivered yesterday! Talk about fast!! More details later. In a rush.




Cher

[bliss_eternal]

47. Congratulations--

can't wait to hear details!
:party: :bounce:

[Proud_Lefty]

4. Did you write anyone?

I got a call at work last week from a good friend who posts a lot on DU. She was crying hysterically at a comment someone made that really offended her. It was horrible, but no one deleted it. She wrote to Skinner and told him how upset she was, and he or someone went on and deleted the post. These mods have a huge job since the site has become so popular. I hope you give them a chance. They really do try.

[japple]

13. You're right, PL. The moderators really do a good job. My user name

used to be "jap" (my initials) and apparently sometime last week someone posted very inflamatory comments about my "racist name." The mods just removed the comments which they classified as a personal attack, and requested that I change my name. I don't think it was the first time that comments have been made on DU about my name, but fortunately I never saw them. Many of my friends call me "jap" and I've used my initials as a logo for years without complaints from anyone. There are some rather reactionary folks at DU and I hate to think that their thoughtless comments made you leave, bliss. I hope you are reading these comments and smiling, thinking "how can I leave this great group at Astrology, Spirituality, and Alternative Healing." Please don't go.

[Proud_Lefty]

14. I remember seeing that name

Isn't that weird I never even thought of the racial part. The people on this forum are definitely advanced souls. I'm always surprised when I see ego or nastiness here. Whenever I have, it seems they don't last long.

[bliss_eternal]

29. I remember the name, too...

It never occured to me that there was a racial implication and I seemed to have missed the threads where people insited there was such an implication.

Thanks for your supportive words, japple. I needed a short break--I'm here. :hi:

[DemExpat]

34. wow....I thought maybe that you were "jap"!

and also never ever thought of your previous name as being racist....:o

:hi:

DemEx

[I Have A Dream]

5. bliss_eternal - I have been in the same situation that you have.

It really, really hurts when you are living life with love and you are blind-sided by someone who is still unable to see the light. I understand that you need time to get over the attack so you need to stay away from DU for a while, but I hope that you're able to use your internal strength to overcome it and come back.

As someone else stated, maybe it would help to just come to this group. So many here love you, and it feels as though we're losing one of our family members!

:cry:

[bliss_eternal]

27. I've decided to stay away from the other forums

for a while. Just too damned negative, and too much stuff that upsets me and pisses me off.

I'll come here. If I feel stronger, in time I may venture back. But for now...no thanks. LOL!

:hug:

[FreedomAngel82]

58. Good!

I'm glad of that. :hug: Sometimes I do that too. I just have to stay away from certain areas for a while. I'm glad you're staying!

[Digit]

59. That reminds me of a running joke my daughter and I have had going

for at least the past 15 years.
She will say, "Mom, it hurts when I do THIS", and proceed to bring up a minor complaint.
I get a silly grin on my face, assuming of course it IS something minor, and she will grin back KNOWING what is coming and say before I can, "I know, then don't DO THAT!"
She is turn does it back to me and we have a good laugh. Laughter is good for the soul.

Wasn't this one of Rodney Dangerfield's routines?

Anyway Bliss, with a huge loving smile on my face, I want to tell you if it hurts.....

THEN DON'T DO THAT!

When you are once again strong enough to venture out into the unenlightened masses and wish to give of your wisdom, please feel free to do as your spirit guides you. When and if it hurts, STOP.

:hug:

[DemExpat]

6. Please don't let the bullies win, bliss_e!

As suggested above, alert on all of the harrassing posts, use IGNORE feature more often, if only temporarily, contact Skinner if something is clearly being overlooked by the busy Mods, and choose to stay out of upsetting threads when you feel it all getting too much.

:hug: :hug: :hug:

DemEx

[bliss_eternal]

28. My ignore list just grew by four! LOL!

It's there for a reason, I decided I should put it to use. But I think I'll just venture where I feel safe for a while.

Thanks for the great advice and supportive thoughts! :hug:

[LaurenG]

7. Oh no please don't stay away long

We love you and If I'd seen it I'd have had your back. It happens to all of us eventually. I was so fed up with the meanness that I had to take a break a while ago. Just know that we love you and want you to stay here with us where you are safe. :loveya: :hug: :grouphug: :pals:

[bliss_eternal]

30. Hi--I'm here

OhioBlues! :hi:

I just needed a short break, probably a much longer one from the rougher areas of DU. LOL! :grouphug: I missed you all too much to stay away for long! :loveya:

[cassiepriam]

8. I wish you would stay, but respect what you have to do.

BTW I have some ideas about we could gain some status and power within DU if you want to stay.

[bliss_eternal]

32. Hi cassie--

Wasn't gone long... I'd love to hear your ideas on this!

[cassiepriam]

36. Good. And my ideas.

Bliss:

I feel strongly that we cannot let the negativity of idiots and dark souls deter us from our soul purpose and doing good for others. That is a lesson we are meant to learn at this time in terms of our karma. We chose to come back under a despotic political regime with much evil, it is our collective and personal karma for a number of reasons, and we are meant to persevere despite them. I know it is hard, but we must do it. It takes a lot of courage to keep slogging away, especially if you are sensitive. It is easy to do good when the environment supports it, but when it is a hostile environment it is a challenge. But that is how we are going to burn off negative karma we have accrued from past lives.

Also I suggest you stay away from the trenches for awhile!
Hand to hand combat with an unvevolved soul can be damaging to your psyche! You are needed here!

Some of my ideas have to do with DU fund raising. I was going to do a thread on it at some point. We have a lot of gifts on this board, and I think we should use them to help Skinner and a cause we believe in. At the very least we could have a manifestation group working at donor time. I think you should lead it since manifestation is your area of interest. We can all get experience as we work on the personal manifestation group you are leading.

If you saw the movie What the Bleep Etc you saw the clip with Dr. Hagelin. He is a quantum physicist turned guru who has worked on manifestation projects. He says that he and his people were actually able to lower the crime rate in Wash DC in August. The Wash DC Chief of Police said it could not be done. When Hagelin’s manifestation project actually did show a drop in the crime rate that summer, the Chief of police co authored the final study report with Hagelin. If that can be done certainly we could help Skinner.

I think it would be really fun to do and if we can kick up Skinner’s donations it would be so fun to get his reaction. Maybe we will get some respect around this place! I know that is my human pride and ego talking, but we are also meant to have some fun when we incarnate and enjoy living in a body. It must be done however in a balanced healthy way that serves the divine.

I think that also there are lots of other things we could do to help Skinner fund raise
The floating hearts were such a hit, why doesn’t he be creative and think of other things to do. St Patrick’s Day is coming up and he could do floating shamrocks, everyone is ether Irish or wants to be. We have artists on this forum who could even help design things for Skinner, perhaps big donors could get and a specialized designed logo etc.
We could do silent auctions, or raffles, or a cosmic bake sale. There are so many talents on this forum. We could do psychic readings, chart interpretations what have you. Some of you are very good at teaching meditation, that could be raffled off. Etc Etc. All kinds of things could be done.

We would have to check with Skinner on the legalities of all of that. Anybody with a talent could donate it at fund raising time.

Also we would need people with fund raising and management skills to manage the projects. Also we would need someone who can liaise with Skinner whom I see as a typical male linear thinker. (I do not mean this is a negative way that is the brain wiring he chose to come back to this life.) But we will need a volunteer who can talk to him in his language to act as a link between all the woo woo on this group and the DU management.

We are going to need help from everyone on this forum. We are going to need right and left brain people. And Earth, Fire, Water, and Air energy. All of you who have the time, interest and desire to do something.

In closing I want to say that instead of feeling helpless, and angry maybe we should do something I will call spiritual activism. Get off our behinds and show that we are a force to be reckoned with and that we are going to use our gifts to help this planet evolve.

[I Have A Dream]

37. I think that these ideas are good, cassiepriam.

However, while I was reading them, I started feeling concern because I'm afraid that if we draw attention to our group at DU, we'll bring people here who will come here just to debate/ridicule us rather than support us. I've only been coming to this group for two months, but during the time that I've been here, I haven't seen one post that's been of this kind. However, it's my understanding that there was a time where people did do this to the group, and it really demoralized them. This group is such a wonderful safe haven that I'm terrified of losing it. How can we make this not happen? (bliss_eternal then won't even have this group to which she can come to seek refuge from the storms of DU.)

Please, please don't take what I'm saying as me thinking that your ideas aren't good -- I truly believe that they are. I just think that we also need to make sure that we don't, in the process, lose the very thing that we like about this group.

:hug:



(On edit: fixed grammatical error.)

[DemExpat]

38. I would also like to voice my view on this as well here....Cassie....

as great as I find most of your ideas about fundraising and active actions on the big forums, I must agree with IHAD that a great degree of caution is warranted here.

Since this group was created it HAS been lovely and peaceful to be able to discuss freely our experiences, thoughts, ideas, etc. on these topics here that are so dear to our hearts. Without constant attacks and without a ban on these topics!

But just a warning that the Admins here are not at all interested in these topics and are not open to having them more visible on the board, and a reminder looking at DU history that we are very fortunate to even have this group....

So Cassie's ideas of manifestations etc. would be great, but IMO would have to be confined to this group which we are so lucky to have here.

IMHO.

DemEx

edit: my caution concerns topics like psychic readings, Astrological charts, etc...... :hi:
while your other less "woo-woo" :-) ideas might be well worth suggesting! :kick:

[Desertrose]

40. I have to agree with Dem Ex on this....

:hi: Dem Ex :loveya::hug: How ya doing??? You sound busy :)


We are very fortunate to have this group and there were a number of us who really did do battle to bring it into manifestation....but DemEx is right...Skinner is not in agreement with our thinking and I feel this group is valuable as it is....more of a spiritual retreat from the harshness of the political world. Do we want to bring that in here more than it already is?

If there are other fundraising ideas ( mainstream, but sorry, I think thats the way it'll work the best here on DU) they can fit into the other forums maybe.....

Just some thoughts from an oldtimer.....
DR

[cassiepriam]

42. Yikes! You are right. I had not even thought of that.

That why it is so good to brainstorm things. Even good ideas can backfire in a way that was not intended. What you are saying is a very legitimate concern. Our attempts could end up ruining the lovely quietude and safe haven we enjoy here.

If we failed in our attempts we would be subject to endless ridicule. If we succeed then we will become an even bigger target, or a too popular site that would significantly change the ambiance we now enjoy. Not good.

I do not think it is worth it. The only thing we should consider is a very low key donor manifestation group. And maybe there are possible negative consequences from even that which have not occurred to me??

Thanks for the feedback!

[bliss_eternal]

46. Whew--

I'm late to the discussion on this, but so glad we've decided to keep things to ourselves. It's such a blessing to have a place like this--a calm in the storm. A retreat away from all the other insanity.

I recall what others did to bring this group into existence--I wasn't around during the major fight. My computer at the time crashed so I missed it. I was here before, when I returned I learned what had occured as there was a thread here by Skinner addressing the group and "our issues." I was kind of confused, but managed to read between the lines.

Just glad we're all in agreement about keeping this haven as is--and not bringing attention here. :applause:

[cassiepriam]

48. Whew is I right! I was not aware of the history of the

strained relationship between this forum and DU Mgt. I knew it was not great, but had no idea it was so precarious. With all the facts at hand, it would be self-destructive to raise our profile in any way.

I am thinking that I should delete my posts, is there a way to do that? Or maybe the mods can do it. I do not want to to be the source of any angst in this forum.

My brain is always working and that gets me in trouble!
Next time I get the urge to be creative, I will go meditate instead! Om...............

[I Have A Dream]

49. Cassie- Next time you get the urge to be creative, please do the same...

thing that you did this time. How would you know that there were issues? It was by discussing it that some of us who were not totally aware of all of the history became aware. That's not a bad thing, in my opinion.

You have so many talents, and you are such a generous person; we're really lucky to have you and your unique energies here in this group. Thanks for always being willing to help anyone who needs it! (It's weird -- I've "known" you for about a week now, and I feel as though you've been my friend for a really long time. Hmmmmmm....)

:hug:

[cassiepriam]

57. I think I was burned at the stake in the past for the same thing :))

Very creative, lots of energy, ruffled the feathers of the powers that be. These karmic lessons keep coming back don't they?

Thanks everyone for saving me from myself.

Yes Dream odd deja vu going on here.....

[DemExpat]

50. No need to request deletion, cassiepriem....

its fine.

Creativity is great and much needed, but we need to know if it will fall on fertile ground or be squelched.

:-)

DemEx

[bliss_eternal]

51. Agreed!

I don't think anyone pays much attention to us to be honest. :hi:

[DemExpat]

52. Yeah I like it this way.....

some certainly used to....:evilgrin:

DemEx

[cassiepriam]

56. Let's keep it that way.

[cassiepriam]

55. Many thanks. Just let me know if I need a witness protection program :))

[cassiepriam]

9. PS

You were the one who gave me the ideas.
One of the ideas is that we should work on DU manifestation.
Start with the Donor Drives and then work on other things.

We have so many gifts here, we should use them.

And we are delicate souls, we need to not take in the
bad stuff on the other forums.

I do wish you would stay and continue your work on the manifestation thread. It is really important work you are doing and will be a blessing to many. Do not let your anger and hurt get in the way of doing good. (I am one to talk I am about as emotional as you can get, feelings with legs.)

At any rate DU is a big place, some parts of it require hand to hand combat, and no one helps us, we are totally on our own. Other parts are soothing and healing, like this forum. Time for you to stay out of the trenches and come back to the soothing water.

[bliss_eternal]

33. Wow cassie--this is SO great!

I would love it if we could do something like this--this would be fantastic! :loveya:

LOL--I too am feelings with legs. LOL! LOL!

I just needed a little time--couldn't take longer, really missed you all too much to stay away any longer! :hi:

[purduejake]

10. I know these forums mean a LOT.

But there are certain things that do not deserve your attention and you should not let them get to you. I hope to continue to see you on here.

Best wishes,

Jake

[bliss_eternal]

26. You're right, Jake--

Some things just aren't worthy of our time and trouble. :hug: Sometimes, I take things much too seriously. Thank you for reminding me of that.

[Pathwalker]

11. Nooooo! Please don't leave! If you do, they win!

I understand fully, that breaks from DU are necessary from time to time, but please add me to your list of admirers who desperately don't want you to leave.
GD can be the meanest place on DU, and you are not alone in feeling scorched and burned there. But, you should also understand is that the other side targests those individual posters who make a difference here! I don't know what happened, but they seem to work week-ends a LOT, so it's entirely possible that you were targeted BECAUSE you are respected by so many here. Think about that, take all the break you need, but remember that others will be ANXIOUSLY awaiting your return... :cry:

:hug: :hug: :hug: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[bliss_eternal]

25. Hi Notorious Bohemian--

I'm :blush: from your comments--so kind, not sure I deserve such compliments. But I thank you for them. I also pm'd you.

Thank you for the loving support! :hug: :pals:

[suziedemocrat]

12. Don't go - I really enjoy your posts.

It sucks to be attacked, but you are probably safe in this forum at least. I was given hell a few times and now I rarely post - just lurk around mostly.

[bliss_eternal]

24. Thanks, suzie--

I'm back. My break was brief. Thank you for your concern, I appreciate it! :hug:
What a cute picture of Snoopy on your post--I love Snoopy!

[MissWaverly]

15. bliss_e

take it as a compliment, whatever you were saying struck a cord, you have offered that person
a chance at redemption, he may be snarky now but he may come around in the future, I had
one poster who was really nasty to me a year ago, it really hurt and he has since come back
on an apologized to everyone, he said that he didn't even know why he did it; but he has come
to realize that what we say here has a lot of truth in it. He credited our board with getting
him away from Rush, et al. The problem is that we are fighting the buddy syndrome. These haters
make a pretense of accepting the average guy. They are on their side and they are going to
present them the truth. These guys really buy into the buddy thing, they don't realize that
these are just actors reading a script.

[bliss_eternal]

23. I appreciate

your wisdom, MissWaverly. Thank you for giving me another way to look at things. :hug:

[MissWaverly]

45. I am glad you came back

:-)

[Cleita]

16. Bliss, not too many have your back anymore. It is a sad fact

with DU growing so big anymore. If you are going to go head to head with a troll be prepared to do it on your own, or put them on ignore. I had no idea you were having a problem, because I don't always have time to go through all the threads.

I pass over many of those attacks these days because I don't feel it is the best use of my time. Sometimes, if someone really gets to me then I will battle them to the end but I don't expect any help, usually don't get any help, and am surprised when I do.

Just don't let those jerks get to you. DU will fall into the swamp if we let them take over. Please reconsider your decision. It's just a bad time now for everyone. The darkness is really trying us in every way it can. We can't give in.

[bliss_eternal]

22. You're right Cleita--

We can't give in. We also have to know when to walk away from things. I should have walked away much sooner than I did yesterday, I'm sad to say. But I can admit that now. I should not allow other's words to upset me so much... Others have a right to feel however they do. It's not my place to take that away from them.

I thought I was pointing out, or trying to direct them to truth, to progressiveness of the rights of others. In my passion and anger somehow I got lost...

Anyway, thank you for your kind words. They are appreciated. :hug:

[TankLV]

17. Don't go.

Please know that a lot of us love you.

[bliss_eternal]

21. Love you, too!

:hug: Thank you.

[Desertrose]

18. oh bliss_e...so sorry to hear...

I've been there myself a few times...try not to let it get you down. DU is like a big city anymore...the small town feel out there is totally gone and it gets mean too often.

Just know you are safe and loved here in our little gathering space...take a break...lots of deep breaths...burn a bit of sage. When you feel up to it...please come back...or PM us anytime. We are here...we just have to know when you need help.

(I don't spend a lot of time out on the big boards cause it seems rather pointless much of the time....but every once in a while...well...I'm an Aries, what can I say?)

:hug::hug: :loveya:
take care
DR

[bliss_eternal]

20. As a Leo, I hear you.

LOL!

Thank you for your words of support. I think we were posting at the same time. Me telling everyone I'm here--you posting this. :hug:

[Desertrose]

41. So glad you're back, bliss.

:hug::loveya:
DR

[bliss_eternal]

19. Thank you ALL for your love and support--

It means a lot to me. :grouphug:

I really needed to cool off and try to center myself. I got some help from a good friend here on DU, and am feeling better. I needed to ensure that I am safe here. I've seen people terrorized by trolls and wanted to ensure I had some safety and recourse in the event things should ever get to that point. All is well now.

Thank you all for your wonderful wishes and supportive words!

[I Have A Dream]

35. I am so happy that you're back, bliss_eternal!

We need you here so much! (I also really suspected that you'd be back soon after you had a chance to think things through because your soul knows that we need you, and, being the beautiful spirit that you are, you couldn't resist the group's energy directed at you saying to please heal quickly and come back!)

You've made my day!

:loveya: :hug:

[Quakerfriend]

44. So happy you're are going to stay, bliss-e!

:+ :party: :party: :party: :+ :bounce: :thumbsup: :toast: :party:

C-E-L-A-B-R-A-T-I-O-N song, come on!

We need to all stick together. And, yes I've noticed all the trolls too. They've gotta be hired thugs- there are SO many! Don't let them drag you down with their negative energy, girl!

We love you!

[Behind the Aegis]

43. Welcome home!

:grouphug:

[japple]

53. I just had a beer with Ariana Celeste in her introduction thread, and

would like to invite anyone here to join me in another round to toast the return of bliss_eternal.

:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

sniff, sniff, I LOVE YOU GUYS. :grouphug:

[I Have A Dream]

54. Happy to join you, japple!

:toast: :beer: :toast:

:loveya:

[leanin_green]

60. I've stopped posting to the other forums also.

There's hardly a true liberal mind among them. So goeth the Democratic Party. I go to other liberal sites that I can't mention here because of an incident that Skinner had with one of them. But I still like a lot of the people here at DU and I know they are trying. Anyway, I sometimes can't help but want to stand up to some of the more reactionary, so-called party loyalists that pass themselves and their positions off as the only claim to liberal stances on the issues. I can't help it, I can't stand snobbish, high school minded bullies. I swear, some of them never seemed to grow past high school pecking orders and popularity contests.

So, in the words of one of their great centrist leaders bliss, "I feel your pain." But lick your wounds and get back in the fight for the soul of liberalism that is being waged within the confines of DU. I've got your back.