Some thoughts

[undergroundpanther]

2012 could be closer than you think.
And considering these devolopments...
2 days ago I tuned into The Weather Channel to see how cold it was going to be after the recent snow melted...way too fast..
In between segments sometimes they ask a "man on the street" how they feel about the current weather..

One guy remarked about the mixed up weather was and he said that he thought it meant the end of the world was coming very soon. I think the Weather channel is trying to get the word out in more obvious ways than "It Could Happen Tomorrow".NOAA sure wants to censor them.

Think about it,decide what you want,either way.
Do check this site out.

http://users.gloryroad.net/~bigjim/index.htm


Interesting stuff about Gamma rays
http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1023870
http://www.physorg.com/news10033.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/16/60minutes/main1323169.shtml

Hmmm

...http://www.space.com/searchforlife/another_earth_001130_MB-1.html

Everyday I see people talking like it's all going to be over soon and they are not believers in new age theories or christianity..Fundies some of the most narcissistic bullies around are even aware something is happening, they because they have been busily staging their apocalypse vengeance fantasy(PNAC)they have been fantasizing about for 2000 years,and the government has gone sociopath and is catering to them..and the government does not seem to be behaving as if there could BE a long term future even for the wealthy,they are spending like there is no tomorrow literally and preparing for great civil unrest or disaster and they are prepared to let people die in massive numbers..and put down any riots because of government unconcern..

I notice more and more people seem to becoming aware of unusual things in the sky and Earth and think this may be it.Most people just refuse to pin a date or they tend to use 2012.Yesterday as I headed out I saw the sky was covered in chem trails, actually making a grid pattern. It was more of them than I have ever seen before at one time.

Are chem trails just jet contrails or are they chemical sprays to influence the weather? Is it done to control people and prep them for domination as some say,or is it a bigger thing,an attempt to lessen the impact of something coming from space to change the charge or chemical balance of the upper atmosphere,or is it a screen to keep rescuers from space from helping us get out before this planet is hit with something?

And my dreams..they reflect to me that yes,something is coming..
Ever notice..we are all living like we have no future here. Lets be honest. We know consumerism and pollution and whatnot is killing this planet yet we refuse to change that even in the most minute of ways, we refuse to stand and fight like generations before us even if our future depends on it. Why? Could it be we know we have no future on this planet and deep down in our most ancient of memories we all KNOW this is true whether we care or don't we are aware of something finate about this existance?

Narcissistic people are a blockage to spiritual awareness,They see other peoples happiness and freedom as a threat to the narcissists well being,postion of dominance and control.A narcissist will destroy everything around themself rather than let anyone else be free from their domination and control.Remember that cold war policy of Mutually Assured Destruction? That is a very narcissistic policy.That the United States would nuke the entire world rather than lose dominance?

Narcissism is the cancer on the human soul created by scared people's children who were in a response to fear sheltered to become entitled,hypocrite children who never self actualized (fear)and never accepted their own autonomy or "grew up"and it is these narcissists will not let anyone else grow up if they grow in a way the narcissist can't dominate or control(including their own kids) tpreventing them from becoming self actualized ..

The narcissists need someone else to suppress and dominate lest they be forced to look inward and see who they really are and how unalive, and sick they are. They will destroy the world if they cannot possess and own it.So if the world is to be affected by a big cosmic event ,soon.. Why have the narcissists in power have refused to tell the people about it so they could make the threatening self actualized people die? To get off on thier deaths to finally dominate what they fear by killing the people living thier denied uncosious desiresIs it ENVY?... This is why some people will not help others or let others be different.

It's interesting to note how the old rigid authoritarians are hellbent putting all the "rebellious children" who obeyed their narcissistic parents unconscious wishes for freedom by freeing themselves from gender lies,sexual repression,religious repression, racism and other hierarchy'roles'..These narcissists want to snap the"others" out there in line with "discipline" and war,by hate, lying and not sharing the Earths resources or information hidden in vaults and back rooms of museums and private collections sent to us from star people and they deny lessons from history .. The narcisstic among us keep on distracting us from self actualizing with imposing this slow destructive game crushing the human soul..to distract us from letting go of this material reality and to keep us competing against each other in a pathological game of power over ,living in the future and past but never the immediacy,they do not want people breaking out of the culture of make believe long enough to see the destruction that comes in cycles is coming and to remind us of what we should value.Love,freedom self exploration,relating in the now ect..We have let the bullies retard ourr wisdom.The question now is will we go when it is time or will we be held hostage by beliefs about the unknown that are in our heads to our own ruin?

The whole purpose of soprituality is to get out of the culture of make believe and let go of THIS WORLD without letting go of Each other.

Sounds like rescue preparedness to me...

The star people still reach out to help us see this issue despite our sick older generation's hold on our soulds.. the restrictive influence of our generational baggage, and the bullying of economics,government and culture ..The star people reach out because they know Earth is in danger and some of us will hear them and escape despite what the dominator's of the world say or do to exploit or shut down people for having a spirituality and understanding different from what our controlling culture calls"normal".

Most of our culture has no idea what freedom,sanity or healhy relations might be like. Conformity ,mindless productivity,and obedience to authority and"roles"is not sanity even though that's what a narcissistic culture that values control and power over everything else would have you believe from birth.

Just some thoughts

[DemExpat]

1. That feeling you note of "its all over soon"....

is a strong feeling that I have wafting in and out of my consciousness in the past couple of years, but most of the time I put it down to my having reached Middle Age, and having only a short time left theoretically in this life.

But often it also feels like a more general sense of Big Changes coming....it just can't keep on on this track for long, is my perception.

And what you call Narcissism I usually call Ego-driven without any notion of encompassing the whole, (just different terminology) but do agree that so many (most?) people seem unable to step outside of their selfish wants and needs.
I am all for total acceptance of DIFFERENCE, if only all those of different persuasion totally respect MY uniqueness. I tend to feel that religious beliefs and setting one's belief so apart from others' is the root of so much evil, it is often hard for me to not be a total bigot against religions and followers - if some/many don't accept me and mine, why accept and want to encompass theirs? :mad:

But that is my struggle yet in this duality drenched world.

I read your posts, UGP, they often resonate with me, even though - or perhaps BECAUSE - they are often expressive of much darkness that remains in our world, (and within ourselves too) and the suffering this all brings.
But much truth is there and well-expressed, as they put into words much of the truth of how (part of) our world's reality is at this moment in time.

Just some thoughts in response to yours....

:hug:

DemEx

[Quakerfriend]

2. In my mind, it occurs to me that what is going on all around us is

a heightening of the energy, an increase in the fibration of all of the fields that exist in and around us- I have read that this is necessary before we reach a higher state of being.

Funny that you should mention chem trails_- As I sat and watched the careful and meticulous laying down of chem trails across the sun drenched horizon this evening I felt, in my heart, that this could not go on much longer. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY HERE IN OUR LITTLE GROUP SEE CHEM TRAILS ALMOST DAILY IN THEIR AREA????

I think that this darkness will be lifted rather swiftly when the time comes. But, I just pray that it does not get worse before it gets better.

We must all focus loving and healing energy toward the planet. This is what I am trying to do each day.O8)

[LaurenG]

3. Early Sundays here are unbelievable. They are

cross hatched in the sky and too low for a passenger plane. (Chemtrails/contrails)

[undergroundpanther]

5. If you sit and watch

The chem trails over time you can see their action on the atmosphere.
A totally cloudy day becomes clear,the clouds break up where the chem trail lines are..Did you ever realize how many clouds we see are FAKE?? Like the wrong types of clouds seen together in the wrong levels of the atmosphere,or weird patterns that don't seem to suggest any logical wind movements,clouds blowing in two opposite directions,clouds with off colored hues and it is nowhere near sunset.Parahelias,when the sun is not angled right, sun dogs... And of course that funky looking iridescent sheen like an oil slick in the sky..sometimes even strange smells and dusty or stringy like crap in the air.

I understand what Dem Ex was saying about middle age and all.I understand the psychological stuff it can color things I know..
But I feel this this time is not just psychological.


I do not feel the same as some do here,that there is this "one ness"
underneath the duality.I think one ness is the illusion.
I feel our reality has mixed with an incompatible reality somehow.
And they need to separate,than both can return to their own and not be mixed up,struggle and be agitated by their own incompatibles.

I am a dualist.I now live in a reality incompatible with my nature because I have been kidnapped and forced into this body against my will.I know some people will adamantly disagree with me..and that is their right..

But please respect my right to have my own kind of gnosis.

Don't try to get me to think I chose this life or tell me I must see all as one and merge with what makes me sick inside.I can't do that and I will not pretend all is from the same "source"either.. because it isn't the same..Being a monist offends my spirit deeply . I refuse to pretend evil is the same thing as goodness is.There ARE two principles locked in a struggle that made a mess that resulted in here.A mixed up, confused,beautiful,horrible,loving,hating, wise ignorant, living,dying and dead thing. I KNOW I did not choose to come here because I remembered HOW I got here.I was slammed forcefully and captured.

I dunno if anyone else feels this or knows this could be true about their own origins,only THEY know their own truth.. but this dualism is mine.

I feel the two principles two spirits or consciousnesses that are operating in this reality will separate soon and when the two principles are severed off from each other the two kinds of consciousnesses will separate this reality as we knew it.. It will be gone, changed or something else and we will return from where we came.It may be violent,it may not be.I dunno. But it is coming regardless it's not in our hands..And there will be evacuations.

Go ahead send energy to help the Earth.
I will send my energy just to the good principle ,the spark that animates love to life, in the Earth, the sparks long ago stolen from wisdom by the half maker,archon that it trapped here keeping the dumb matter the control/archon/evil force animated,so that it can live.. I want the sparks to go home and not suffer anymore.

The blind jealous gods have blinded us..They made us myopic thundering they are the ONE. Made us think there was one principle and so ever since we have had trouble discerning evil from good.We have rationalized it and bent our minds into pretzels trying to answer why bad things happen to good people to the point we say it is all our own fault. And I feel this is not true for everyone .
I want freedom for all to be happy,and I suspect evil would be happier without good chafing it for it's own ignorant corrupted sick nature,problem is without the good principle to sustain it evil will die. Likewise I know good principle would be happier without evil abusing,parasiting and preying upon it so evil can feel alive.


In this way I do my part help further the separation/healing/death ,because being here hurts me it hurts me to see beauty and love die and suffer every day..while it is stuck in matter touching something so alien to itself it wounds it.. Earth is not my home it never was.
Anarkhia literally means Without Archon,
that is where I was from...


Being born is like being kidnapped. And then sold into slavery.
-Andy Warhol

Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. Got to kick at the darkness until it bleeds daylight - Bruce Cockburn

It is not abject vice, it is vice crowned with splendor, that seduces men’s souls.

[LaurenG]

6. You have your reasons and you remember your beingness

I have my reasons and I too remember coming here. I came happily and willingly. I was not kidnapped. I was ecstatic to come here. My memories are of people of great power and love and a sense of play and incredible humor. I don't think you're wrong or off or disrespect you in any way, it's how it happened for you. However, not all of us have had the same experience as you have. Maybe you are here to teach and just because you don't like it doesn't mean you aren't effective. I wish I could share my memories as they are more physical and intimate and earthy and passionate and sensual.

From my understanding there are 3 kinds of soul beings here on this planet right now. Angelic, ET and human. You are probably of the ET realm and I'm guessing that this is one of a very few times you have incarnated here. It feels weird here to you and I can't say I blame you for feeling that this was not the place to come to. (It's the second hardest planet in the universe to incarnate on).

I do think that you are going to find that you have more of a choice in some of this than you think. I think there are beings who are very negative but I know the beings who share energy with me come from a different realm. I also have seen things with my physical eyes that I cannot explain and that would make the hair on the back of your neck stand on end so yes I know about duality, I just process and explain it differently.

:hug:

[undergroundpanther]

7. Cool

Yep I am an ET ,a feline like being trapped here. No choice for me.
This reality in my experience is predatory twords some types of beings.
You might have wanted to come here, and that is fine for you. That's your experience and it is yours..

However I find the forces dominating and controlling this reality are indeed sociopathic,dangerous to me and I can't wait to get the hell out of here. I will not pretend I chose to come here for anyone else's dogmas or insecurities.Because I didn't choose this..I was abused mistreated and torn apart here..I did not choose this torture for some cosmic mind fuck 'god' or some cosmic "school lesson"... that is well,bullshit.

What I wonder is..how come it is so hard for some people to accept that some people(like me) never ever Chose to come here?

What is so hard to accept when I say I was forced here against my will? What about my situation forced upon me upsets these "you choose it" types to react so defensively and attempt to BLOT OUT MY EXPERIENCES that are not even THEIRS ? I was the one forced,not you all..So why does my story chafe so?

I am curious..Is it a fear of not being in control? A fear of not having your autonomy honored by forces far more powerful than you? Come on folks !! Why do some people react this way ? Why do they attempt to rewrite MY experience for me against my will rewriting it in some other realm I never was so my experience will adhere to their beliefs about how they got here?

Isn't this a little strange,a little arrogant to do to me?? Isn't it kinda ass-holey? Forcing me to say I chose to come here in your words when I am not aware of making that choice myself..To make such a choice it would require me to be conscious of something which my consciousness never did and that would be a contradiction that does not make any sense because like most conscious beings I too am present to decide when I choose something or not.
Consciousness exists folks and it has to be conscious of it's conscious state to choose anything consciously.

Most people,including me do not mysteriously become unconscious of what their consciousness chooses as they choose it,Beings that are conscious have to be present to MAKE and remember THE CHOICE they make as conscious beings. How can you KNOW you chose to come here IF you deny your own consciousness? You were conscious of making a choice right? Then why do you deny my consciousness the same autonomy as yours.? I know I made no such choice to come here,folks because my consciousness remembers being kidnapped.To say I chose this when I did not would be a LIE,a falsehood,a deliberate distortion of my own conscience experience under pressure to conform to someone else's demands I conform..

And this fact upsets "light workers" and sends them into fits.
Why? Only they know why.

Look,I'm not asking anyone else to lie and say they were trapped here when they were not. So why do they say in their words I must be lying to myself?? I don't think THEY are lying to themselves when they say they chose to come here.

Why? Anyone care to tackle that one?

On another note..
A GREAT Defense of Dualism for all you fellow dualist's on here dealing with the defensive monist types who say you gotta agree with the idea that All is one or you are not"enlightened" an inferior being or some such bigoted nonsense..
http://www.newdualism.org/papers/R.Bolton/article_bolton_dualismandsoul.htm

[DemExpat]

11. I really want to go into this more , UGP, but have pressing

studies assignments due on Thursday, so I'll have to find the time in between studying, but want you to know that I am very much interested here also in the link you provided.

:hug: :hi:

DemEx

[undergroundpanther]

17. That's OK

just bookmark this thread for later.. if you want PM me and I can pick it up again..
I like having juicy deep honest metaphysical discussions with deep exploring people. It's worth the wait!

[yellowdawgdem]

12. The only reason

I can think of that people would not accept your own take on your life- that of being kidnapped and not having incarnated with free will- is that this is considered a free will universe. And that means that you can't really incarnate unless you do give your consent. I'm thinking that maybe some additional scenario is going on, that could be stressing you. You could be a "walk in" or somehow not the same entity who originally came here. Or, if not that, you could be enduring a struggle between different sections of yourself. I'm just thinking that there might be something going on that is complicated. Still, it must be really difficult to be here, if you know that you don't want to be here.
I've had some really dark periods of time when I thought I didn't want to be here. But then when I started doing things I love to do, and stopped doing things I hated, it made life a little bit easier.

[LaurenG]

13. I love cats

I dream of cats and there are two cats in my home that teach me the way of cats. Cats are intuitive, brave and patient. I love them.

I think the reason you get "lip" is over FEAR. It is fearful to be introduced to demensions and truths that don't resonate with the person hearing it.

In my mind it doesn't matter if someone is monotheist, polytheist or atheist. That is not the issue. The issue and the big one at this moment is learning to value and work together with those sentient beings (and as hurt as you have been, you are sentient) who want a better life. Those who want to wake up now are all here and NOT by accident. I think all life on this planet has potential. We are physical, spiritual, emotional and mental and we are to figure out how to put ourselves back together and move forward as creators. We are to merge with our own soul and spirit and you are here in a critical period of time. My guess is that at one point you said you'd come and then you changed your mind and were dumped into this experience and if I'm mistaken about this there ARE others who are willing to make it back with you. Those who can show the way are needed desperately NOW. You are important to the process of evolution and I "know" that you know that. What part you choose to play as we all "SERVE" our time is up to you.

Where ever you come from I am glad you are here with us. Whatever you need to make it back to your comfort zone is available here in this experience. There is a part of our mission that we don't remember without lots of work but you have an idea of why you're here. Expressing it is not fun for you. Hang in there, you are a part of the whole and we all must do what it takes to bring as many along as we can. Find those you are here to serve with and help to bring them out of this. As a group we are powerful, together we will outshine the dark as darkness really has no power in the presence of the light.

One more thing, I did say I wanted to incarnate and I did but by the age of 3 I was not happy about being here anymore. I tried to explain to my mom that I just wanted to go home. It used to freak her out. The bottom line is we all MUST choose how to express who we are and how we are getting back to where we want to be, and long for.:hug:

[undergroundpanther]

15. cats

>I dream of cats and there are two cats in my home that teach me the way >of cats. Cats are intuitive, brave and patient. I love them.

Me too they are my best buddies.
I relate to cats more than anything else here.

>I think the reason you get "lip" is over FEAR.

I think so too.I really wish people would examine that fear
and this almost pathological insistence that this universe is fee will.because in reality it is NOT free will 100% and that kind of belief to me is just not being honest about what is..is.


>It is fearful to be introduced to dimensions and truths that don't >resonate with the person hearing it.

The 'ol cognitive dissonance.. Yeah,I know.

>In my mind it doesn't matter if someone is monotheist, polytheist or >atheist. That is not the issue.

Agreed.


>The issue and the big one at this moment is learning to value and work >together with those sentient beings (and as hurt as you have been, you >are sentient)

Half sentient. I can't just decide to never pee again.Even though I am willing to not pee my flesh is not gonna comply with my "sentient will".I can't will myself to win the lotto either, or just start growing blue hair I have to dye it over and over. To have feline striped skin,to reflect my true self here that gives me comfort I have to be inked by a tattooist and face the pain of billions of punctures,than there are the ignorant people to deal with when they see someone dressed up like a cat walking by and can't handle it because their cognitive dissonance blinds them..This is what I mean by half sentient. I can imagine a way better world than this one.

This is another aspect of this existence in this mixed world of sentient and forced mixed together like two waves moving crashing in opposite directions.The two principles. Both are here..Dualism is shot through this reality.We work to overcome the forced aspects of reality but sometimes because we are not as sentient as we like to think we are and forces that disregard our will or wishes or attempts at change forces us to do what is against our desired for.

>who want a better life. Those who want to wake up now are all here and >NOT by accident. I think all life on this planet has potential. We are >physical, spiritual, emotional and mental and we are to figure out how to ?put ourselves back together and move forward as creators.

We are not the creators of this reality.We tinker with it.It was here before I was.It was here before humans were.An Accident is how this reality came to be.That is why it is so confused.Accidents happen as do forced kidnappings.Ever see a ceremonial magickian command a spirit into a triangle and grill him? Ever forcibly suck an abusive spirit out of a haunted house into a crystal and deposit it into the Earth to help a spirit tormented family heal? I am sure the asshole spirit did not like being taken out of the house full of stressed out emotional energy that this asshole spirit fed upon.Shit happens here.Reality is predatory.Sometime you have to prey upon the predators to bring good to this reality and tip the balance and ease the suffering evil causes.

>We are to merge with our own soul and spirit and you are here in a >critical period of time.

For this reality critical periods come cyclically.That's how this unstable mixed reality tries to balance itself . It is constantly churning because it is opposites forced and locked together.


>My guess is that at one point you said you'd come and then you changed >your mind and were dumped into this experience and if I'm mistaken about >this there ARE others who are willing to make it back with you.


Nope, I was flying fast with a bunch of other beings similar to myself than BAM I was captured..They attempted to grab me but they could not. I remember seeing them reaching for me and their emotional pain as I was dragged into this life.


>Those who can show the way are needed desperately NOW. You are important >to the process of evolution and I "know" that you know that. What part >you choose to play as we all "SERVE" our time is up to you.

Maybe my part is to get people to realize we are not'masters of reality" all the time that we are not all-mighty sentient beings who blame ourselves or each other as if we chose a life of abuse.
To me this idea that we choose to incarnate as we find our condition is in life is a hindu idea. It's sick to me. This You chose it belief sustains some of the most horrid injustices twords victims of abuses of power by people born in a more"favored" life.

The caste system is justified by the belief that before birth you chose your lot in life. Some hindu especially the upper classes believe this so they treat certain castes of human beings like scum. This occurs even tho allegedly the caste system is illegal.

During the Tsunami untouchable or Dalits were denied food and abused by Brahmans. And because they all think they chose their particular lives to overcome karma.. or something..who can say whether those Brahman are assholes? To the hindu it's a freewill universe all is one and if you chose to incarnate dalit..now buck up and take the abuse it will get you in heaven faster..These beliefs might feel warm and fuzzy and make your ego feel good but in a dual reality where force opposes free will it just never turns out as planned.

>Where ever you come from I am glad you are here with us. Whatever you >need to make it back to your comfort zone is available here in this >experience.

Partly.I never an comfortable here.I try.


>There is a part of our mission that we don't remember without lots of >work but you have an idea of why you're here. Expressing it is not fun >for you. Hang in there, you are a part of the whole .


No I am not part of whatever forced me here.There is no "whole".
There are two principles,two forces two realties overlapping .. Like I said I am a dualist.No it's no fun because people react because there is a bigotry against dualism ingrained in people.I think it was put there for nefarious reasons as eastern belief systems came to the west.
Discerning spirit in stereo
http://www.unknownnews.org/0510081014d-1009Panther.html


>and we all must do what it takes to bring as many along as we can. Find >those you are here to serve with and help to bring them out of this.

I just help people animals whatever. I help out when strangers come up to me,asking for help. I have cleaned their homes,extracted malignant entities from flesh and home,I have helped with herbs and reiki work I have used my psychic skills,crystals tarot and ceremonial magick..I use the skills I have because I have empathy.My heart and spirit demands I help because I care so I do it freely.I have nothing better to do as I await my chance to bolt out of here when or if the body dies.


>As a group we are powerful, together we will outshine the dark as >darkness really has no power in the presence of the light.

I don't really like using that dark light imagery it feels racist.When I hear people using words like"darkies" to describe malevolent entities it just screams racism.I prefer to use wisdom/clarity VS ignorance/sociopathy.
Besides I ask you,what happens when you stare at the sun(light)? Funny how it blinds you and limits how well you see the rest of reality around you when you have to look at something else besides the sun.

The popul Vuh Says the gods blinded us so we would not be more powerful than they,because they wanted servants,.Yahweh Says he is the only god and he denies his mother,Sophia /Wisdom exists because he is blind and sick with jealousy.Light blinds perception.Light can be like vice crowned in splendor if you forget there is a reality beside the light a mixed one a dark one also that is more complex and unknown than the simple pretty sun..and it can mess you up..if you haven't learned to see with clarity through the "dark" until the "dark" disappears and you can see which is which.

It's like when a "light-worker" through their own un confronted fear insists on pushing a belief on abused person that they chose to incarnate in the life that crushed them.It's just a pretty ignorant sort of light blinding them from themselves ..as in vice crowned with splendor .Light and belief is seducing the soul of the light-worker to be arrogant and lie to another being..And the light-worker I am sure does not want to be seen as an egotistical asshole by the people they want to comfort and help do they? That is why I focus not on light but on clarity wisdom and discerning what are the qualities of the light and the fruits it makes in me and around me ? I observe what am I working with before I "trust in it". I discern it. And to discern spirits you must be willing to realize with a bit of humbleness reality has more than one principle in it and you don't always know so you test. You make distinctions.You look through the glass and try to see what IS not what you want.

>One more thing, I did say I wanted to incarnate and I did but by the age >of 3 I was not happy about being here anymore. I tried to explain to my >mom that I just wanted to go home. It used to freak her out. The bottom >line is we all MUST choose how to express who we are and how we are >getting back to where we want to be, and long for. :hug:

Yeah I know. And when you are an alien it's alienating...

[DemExpat]

9. Very well said, OhioBlues.....

your first paragraph especially about different experiences is right on the button IMO. And how we all have much to teach: it is finding the medium of communication that is often so difficult, isn't it?

I often fantasize being able to create exquisite paintings that Say It All by getting past verbality!

I have soul memories of sorts of often coming here happily and willingly, but in this life I had to be "forced" and was kicking and screaming in total panic and resistance to avoid incarnation......even as I, after all of this time here, see reasons why I had the parents that I did, whom I Love as well as "hated" for their weaknesses, blindness, and cruelties.

(I have no knowledge/memory of the different realms you describe)

:hug:

DemEx

[Idylle Moon Dancer]

8. Who am I to say?

I am largely agnostic, or perhaps, more accurately, I believe in possibilities. I don't begrudge anyone their beliefs unless they try to shove them down others' throats, and I don't disrespect anyone's beliefs as long as they have taken care to examine them.

[japple]

4. Almost every day, I see those white planes with their jets of noxious

chemicals making crosses in the sky. I can't believe that others don't notice it, too. We live about an hour north of Atlanta and they sky turns a leaden uniform grey color almost every day. Of course, we have an Airforce base an hour away, as well as a large, busy airport. My sinuses have been painfully clogged lately, even though I use a neti pot and a prescription spray. Do chemtrails appear over Washington, DC and the surrounding area?

[Desertrose]

18. They are really atrocious out here in the SW

I see them just about daily . I really almost forget what our beautiful blue skies used to look like.

We have AF bases here to down to the south. Phoenix has gone 125 days without rain...don't know if that is the cause but it sure makes ya wonder with them chemtrailing so heavily.

Those damn white planes sure are busy bees.

(I like your new handle, japple...but then I never gave a thought to it before.)
:hug:
DR

[DemExpat]

10. Very rarely do you see what you refer to as chemtrails

here in The Netherlands....and I have often wondered why not, as air traffic over this little country is very busy.....or perhaps because of almost constant wind here they are soon blown away.
:shrug:

:hi:

DemEx

[japple]

14. The fake clouds don't move with the wind. They hang like a

heavy pall and spread out to cover the whole sky until there's nothing but a sickening grey or white blanket overhead. Like a dirty blanket. It creates a white glare that is so blinding, I have to wear sunglasses.

[undergroundpanther]

16. Yep

It's gross. They remind me of shiney grey snot.

[bloom]

19. stuff

I think that the jet trails are exhaust from planes - and that some places there is more than others - near airport hubs, etc. There is an awful lot of airplane traffic these days - and that's what I think it is. The appearance seems to vary with the type of air - wetter/dryer/etc. I could be wrong - but that's what I think. (As pollution - it could be bad enough - without being "chemtrails - and there may certainly be chemicals of sorts mixed in).


I am drawn to every bit of news that deals with the effects of global warming. Though I find it to be quite depressing.

I think I do wish for the world to return to what would be normal - without people. I hate having mankind's pollution incorporated with life as we know it. I hate knowing how the planet is being destroyed - forests and species wiped out. I hate knowing that it just gets worse and worse.

I don't know how to have hope about the future.