JFK assassination - new revelations?

[Sanity Claws]

Somehow I feel that when all this shakes out on the GOP and the * administration, there will be new revelations about the JFK assassination. I was wondering whether anyone else gets that feeling or is savvy enough to do an astrological chart of the assassination and see whether there are any upcoming transits that point to revelations.

Feel free to call me a conspiracy nut. I started wearing my tin hat around the summer of 2004. Perhaps to make up for lost time, I'm going back to past conspiracies and finding new life in them.


edited for spelling

[Grateful for Hope]

1. I don't have any feelings about new revelations

except that I definitely feel that there are connections between BushCo and the JFK assassination. I do think that what you are feeling is possible, however.

[cassiepriam]

2. At this point, I rule nothing out when it comes to BushCo. They are

clearly capable of anything.

[Minnesota Libra]

3. You do know of course that Bush #41 was in Dallas that day?? I think.....

....Cheney or someone else from Bush's administration served on the "Warren Commission". So nothing, absolutely nothing, about #41 or #43 would surprise me.

[cassiepriam]

4. Wasn't there some link between 41 and Oswald?

And we know that there was a Kennedy/CIA problem and 41 worked for the CIA...

[Minnesota Libra]

5. I didn't hear of a possible link between #41 and Oswald. I will be.......

.....sure to google that though - thanks for the tip.

[cassiepriam]

6. I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that Oswald was in 41s

Rolodex file, or a business card of Oswald's. Something like that.
Sorry if I am wrong, but I thought there was some sort of link, albeit a weak one....

[Minnesota Libra]

7. It doesn't have to be a strong link to mean something.....................

....many times these people keep contacts like Oswald at arm's length purposely, but you've got my curiosity up now.

[cassiepriam]

9. And I most likely read it here are DU, and fairly recently....

I will see if I can find it............

I have looked and I can't locate the post I am remembering.
I will look some more. But it is likely that Bush St and Oswald
could have crossed paths. Bush Sr was very much involved as a CIA
officer in the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and Oswald is known to have Cuban links. So it is not much of a leap to put the two together.

[hippiechick]

10. 41 was in the rolodex of one of Oswald's 'handlers'

... George deMohrenschildt, who was a Russian expat/CIA informant who's cover was 'oil exploration' and geography. He died 'under mysterious circumstances' shortly before he was to testify to - I think - Jim Garrison.

[Zen Democrat]

15. George deMohrenschildt ... he's the connection

His address book contained the name and phone number of Oswald ... and one "Poppy" Bush with a Midland, TX address and phone number. Later said he knew Bush from the Petroleum Club. DeMohrenschildt had an intelligence background. He committed suicide after being subpoenaed by the House Assassinations Committee back in 1977 or '78. It's all part of the jigsaw puzzle that is the Kennedy Assassination.

Arlen Specter was a Warren Commission attorney who created the "single bullet theory" to explain why Connally and Kennedy were hit by the same bullet -- after James Tague came forward and such a theory was necessary to even entertain the thought of a single gunman.

Former President Gerald Ford was a member of the Warren Commission.

[emcguffie]

23. Not only was he there, he made a phone call a few minutes --

-- after JFK was shot, and in that phone call, he told whoever it was he was calling that -- well, he warned them, that he had just heard about plans to assassinate the president. But it had just happened.

There was some discussion about whether or not that was our Pres GB or not, but since we know he was in the agency back then, it seems more than reasonable.

And then going back to his daddy's connections to the nazis, which although somewhat visible stayed pretty well hidden until lately, they all just start to look so incredibly sleazy and interested in money more than any other thing, except perhaps power.... Power, money, money, power. Fascism. Dynasty.

I should be quiet, I reckon. Maybe nobody will notice when I carry on like this in the astrology forum?

[Matariki]

8. Thom Hartmann has an appearance on the History channel this week

he and his partner (forgot his name) have done 17 years of research in the National Archives. They were talking on his program and have some very interesting and previously unpublished information. From their research it sounds very much like a mafia hit - apparently Kennedy had planned to stage a coup in Cuba & oust Castro - to take place just 10 days after the date he was assassinated. Also there were 2 other assassination attempts in the week or 2 before they got him - one in Florida and one in Chicago.

I have always thought that Bush Sr might have something to do with it and that the Bush family has organized crime ties, especially with drug (cocaine) and gun running.

[hippiechick]

11. Kennedy was going to issue a Presidential Order to start withdrawl

from Viet Nam and cut waaaay back on military industrial spending ... the day after he died, Johnson had that order pulled and signed his own, which increased troop levels and spending.

Someone(s) put LBJ in the Oval Office to keep that war going.

As Sutherland says in 'JFK' ... follow the money.


on edit: it was detailed in a book, IIRC, 'Mutual Contempt' about RFK and LBJ.

[MissWaverly]

12. I don't know about that but I always thought things were fishy

I was just 10 when Kennedy was shot but I have always wondered how Oswald was allowed to travel
so freely in and out of the United States and with what money, he traveled to Russia, married
a Russian girl and was allowed back in with his wife, he was known to support Castro and
the US was only 2 years from the Cuban missile crisis at that time.

[hippiechick]

13. quote:

"Added to this, were JFK's plans for Vietnam withdrawal
as embodied in his National Security Action Memorandum (NSAM)-263
(cf. 'Kennedy Considered Vietnam Withdrawal', The Baltimore Sun,
Dec. 23, 1997, p. 3A). As the last paragraph of that NSAM makes
clear (which is also an Oct. 4, 1963 memo frmoGen. Maxwell Taylor
to the Joint Chiefs of Staff: (ibid.): "All planning will be directed towards
preparing RVN (South Vietnamese) forces for the withdrawal of all U.S.
special assistance by the end of calendar year 1965.'"


:shrug: Seems pretty clear ...

[MissWaverly]

14. how sad

so many lives wasted on a failed war, in many ways we are still reliving Watergate, Nixon
who was recreated as a PR image, the "stolen" election in 1960, we are still dealing with
things that were dealt with in a sloppy, greedy, short sighted manner at the cost of
much to our country.

[Sanity Claws]

17. I didn't know about this order

but this is what I was thinking.
Somehow I got that the involvment of the military-industrial complex was going to be part of the revelation. I don't think I got an intuitive flash. I think I just saw the pattern. That these folks went to war on a made-up pretext told me that they were capable of anything, including killing a president if he got in their way.

[emcguffie]

22. that is true. The ships were turning around in the ocean, with --

-- troops bound for vietnam, as I recall. This was according to Sorensen, I think. I transcribed an interview with him once. I wouldn't swear that was where I heard it, but it could have been.

Could have been another interview I transcribed, back when they were getting ready to do that movie, Assassination of JFK. Lots of interviews with lots of folks from the administration. Also lots of interviews with that prosecutor from New Orleans, that fellow who was the main character in the movie. I cannot remember his name right now. Sorry.

I never understood why that movie got the treatment it did from the media. Now I am beginning to understand so much more about "the media".

[Minnesota Libra]

16. kineta, Here's two reasons I disagree with blaming only the mob .......

.....but please allow me to say that I'm not claiming the mob was not involved at all. I think they were involved but only as a possible cover. So I'm definitely claiming I don't think they were the only ones involved.

From my perceptive, if this had been a mob hit someone would have squealed by now. Especially since providing some proof of mob involvement in Kennedy's assassination would provide the squealer with instant and permanent recognition. Talk about something that could make a bad guy look like an instant hero and an instant saint, coming up with proof of who carried out Kennedy's assassination would certainly do it.

Think about it everyone, Kennedy's assassination could have only been carried out with the precision it was done with and 40 plus years of total secrecy one way. That is with the approval and direction from the highest levels of government. Sure, there has been endless speculation but there hasn't been absolute proof that can be taken to a court of law and keep in mind there is no statute of limitations on murder, especially the murder of a President.

Anyway, based on discussion here, I did a google of "Oswald and Bush" and came up with this. Specifically look at the picture and the explanation beside it. For some reason Hoover thought Bush #41 - just 39 yrs old at the time - needed and deserved a FULL BRIEFING on Oswald and the assassination in general. What, Hoover knew then that a 39 yr old Bush was going to be Pres someday and deserved to know all our government issues?:sarcasm:

This article comes from
http://tomflocco.com/fs/FbiMemoPhotoLinkBushJfk.htm
Tom Flocco.com
http://tomflocco.com/
FBI memo, photo link Bush Sr to JFK Dallas murder scene
Date: Thursday, March 23
Topic: --
FBI memo, photo link Bush Sr to JFK Dallas murder scene

[peacetalksforall]

18. sanity - you posted on Thursday...right? After the Goss announcement

yesterday, someone posted something about the change being related to JFK revelations. We know that Goss was involved with CIA Cuban operatives at the time of the assassination. Your posting is intriguing.

I just searched for it. Sorry, there were too many Goss messages yesterday.

[peacetalksforall]

19. I can't find the one that I remembered when I read your post - but here is

another that refers to Jack Anderson and FBI attempts to get hold of Jack Andersons' papers in relation to laws broken in relation to the Espionage Act.

[cassiepriam]

20. Seems to be one too many coincidences .....

and the paths seem to lead back to the CIA and 41.

PS thanks for clearing up the memory of the Rolodex file, Bush and Oswald. I knew it was connected somehow, just couldn't remember it!

[emcguffie]

21. I think I'm right behind you.

I used to pooh-pooh all of that. Now I think where we are today began back then, or just before then. And guess who's family was behind it all?

One dynasty getting rid of another dynasty, so they could one day rule the world. sounds really ridiculous, only now I'm beginning to believe it. Have been for a little while.

I guess if the stakes are big enough....

[BlueIris]

24. Oh...let this be true. There's so much more I could post about this,

especially because for one reason or another, I was playing around with Kennedy family astrology this weekend. JFK, RFK, and Ted. I actually check up on Ted's chart a few times a week. Hopefully, I'll get to my little diatribe later tonight, but right now I still have some vacuuming and other chores to do. I'm a Kennedy conspiracy believer from way back (age 13--seriously; thanks, Oliver Stone!). I'm not personally getting psychic impressions of new revelations coming to light, and intellectually, even I have my doubts that after BushCo. falls, that is going to happen the way people like me have always prayed it could, however, a little appreciated fact about this last election cycle, and, to a larger extent, the last 30 years of our country's history, is that the power-brokers doing the most dueling, especially behind the scenes, are those trying to cover up the assassinations of the '60s and those trying to expose them. In some ways, the contest really does break down along lines that simple. For those of us who know this, the experience of watching the 2004 election--between John Kerry and Bush of all candidates--had a whole 'nother, more riveting (and for some of us, terrifying) element to it. I am still frankly shocked that Kerry survived all that. Sometimes, I think even JFK conspiracy researchers don't appreciate that a large portion of the reason anyone in the Bush family (especially George H.W. Bush himself) supported *'s re-selection was because of the threat that Kerry posed to the exposure of the Kennedy/Martin Luther King, Jr. killers. Not even all of those in the "know" seem to "get" how sensitive a certain faction of the right-wing still is to people getting anywhere near those murders. In no small way--it's their Achilles' heel. And why? Why, after more than forty years would "they" still be so horrifyingly afraid of anything else concrete coming out? It took me forever to figure out the answer to that.

More later.