Massive Tsunamis sweep the Indian Ocean

[fedsron2us]

following an earthquake registering 8.9 off the coast of Sumatra. Thousands are feared dead.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20041226/ap_on_re_as/indonesia_earthquake

This occurred as the full moon approached its apogee to Earth. Looks like Nolle got it right again.

http://www.astropro.com/forecast/predict/2004-12.html

I am sceptical about quite a lot of astrology but there definitely seems to be a relationship between these super moons and major seismic events.

[Pallas180]

1. Odd that you would believe that a major seismic event

on a body of mass the size of the earth could be related to a planet, but you cannot give credence that the planets affect a much smaller mass such as a human being.

Hmmm. Maybe you should think about that.


(by the way, it was the Moon involved with the
Tsunami, but not the cause of the seismic event)

[fedsron2us]

2. At least one scientist thinks volcanic eruptions

are tied to the lunar cycle

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0215_020215_volcanohunter.html

As for our destiny being written in the stars, lets just say I think the future is not ours to see.

The Gods gave the gift of accurate prophecy to centaurs not to man.

For mortals the power is often a curse.

[cliss]

3. Pallas, wasn't there a very rare planetary

alignment about 2 days ago? I recall reading on Yahoo news, it said, "rare planetary alignment of Mars, Uranus, Jupiter (?).

This was about 2 days ago. I didn't click on the news story. I wonder if there's any connection.

By the way, F, thanks for the links. I read Richard Nolle's paragraph on the 'Super Moon'. That's pretty astonishing stuff.

We are most definitely affected by those gigantic planetary masses out there.

[Dover]

5. Yes, here is the link I posted on it.

Not so much an alignment as the fact that all the planets mentioned are visible in the night sky.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x1853

[Pallas180]

8. Cliss, I didn't read that, but Mars/Uranus is quakes as is Pluto/Uranus

massive earthquakes - throw in Jupiter and it's big.

[Dover]

4. Nolle nailed this one........tied to the full Moon

The last big geocosmic stress window of the month will be in effect from the 23rd through the 29th, associated with the full moon at 5 Cancer on the 26th (the same day the Moon reaches its maximum north declination. This particular alignment looks nearly as dangerous as the SuperMoon on the 12th, where the risk of storms, flooding and seismic upheaval is concerned.

The month ends on an explosive, uncertain note, if the Mars-Uranus square at 4 Sagittarius-Pisces is any indication. Tempers flare, sabers rattle, criminals and terrorists strike; soldiers, sailors and aviators step up and put their lives on the line for a cause greater than self. Play it safe if you can. And if you can't, then pack heavy and keep your guard up. Mechanical and electrical mishaps figure prominently into events at times like this: not a good time to rely on automatic pilot, literally as well as figuratively.

http://www.astropro.com/forecast/predict/2004-12.html
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..."All the planet is vibrating" from the quake, said Enzo Boschi, the head of Italy's National Geophysics Institute. Speaking on SKY TG24 TV, Boschi said the quake even disturbed the Earth's rotation.


The U.S. Geological Survey (news - web sites) measured the quake at a magnitude of 8.9. Geophysicist Julie Martinez said it was the world's fifth-largest since 1900 and the largest since a 9.2 temblor hit Prince William Sound Alaska in 1964.


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=516&u=/ap/20041226/ap_on_re_as/indonesia_earthquake_23&printer=1

What is perhaps surprising to people is that a large earthquake with these megatons of energy can set the entire earth vibrating like a bell. So an earthquake is like the hammer hitting the bell and the entire planet then resonates with its natural frequencies for periods of weeks following the giant earthquake."

http://www.pulseplanet.com/archive/Feb00/2077.html

The Earth rings like a bell after a large earthquake – the lowest ring tone is E flat in the 20th octave below middle C (Source: F Press and R Siever, Earth, New York: Freeman, 1986, p 467).
Sound from the eruption of Krakatau (Krakatoa) in 1883 travelled nearly 5000 km (3000 miles). (Source: P Francis, Volcanoes: a planetary perspective, Oxford: OUP, 1993, p 80).

http://www.chemsoc.org/networks/learnnet/jesei/fascinat/home.htm


___________________________

14,000 and counting:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=avlj7S0nxSL0&refer=top_world_news

A DU thread on this disaster:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1099796

[dbt]

6. E-flat, is it?

I would have bet the farm that the Earth resonates in the key of D! There's always more to learn, no?

Peace (now more than ever),
dbt

[Dover]

7. Tidal Waves Kill 23,700 in Nine Countries

Tidal Waves Kill 23,700 in Nine Countries


COLOMBO, Sri Lanka Dec 27, 2004 — Rescuers piled up bodies along southern Asian coastlines devastated by tidal waves that obliterated seaside towns and killed more than 22,000 people in 10 countries, and officials indicated Monday that the death toll could climb far higher.

Hundreds of children were buried in mass graves in India, and morgues and hospitals struggled to cope with the catastrophe. Somalia reported hundreds of deaths, some 3,000 miles away from the earthquake that sent tsunamis raging across the Indian Ocean.

The International Red Cross reported 23,700 deaths and expressed concern about waterborne diseases like malaria and cholera. Jan Egeland, the U.N. Emergency Relief Coordinator, said millions of people were effected by lost homes, polluted drinking water, destroyed sanitation and that the cost of the damage would "probably be many billions of dollars."

"We cannot fathom the cost of these poor societies and the nameless fishermen and fishing villages and so on that have just been wiped out. Hundreds of thousands of livelihoods have gone," he told reporters.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=362944

[Pallas180]

9. In Southern Florida, about a week ago

sitting at my computer, I felt little tremors - we have no basements
in florida - and I felt these little very slight shakings for about three days. And I did think earthquake - and then dismissed it.

On the other hand, Florida is famous for sink holes...

And funny, after the huricanes here, the thought crossed my mind that
it would be good to get an inflatable boat for emergencies.

[Pallas180]

10. Does anyone know how far inland the tsunami

went? a mile, 5 miles? 50 miles??

I understand the tsunami traveled 3000 miles from the epicenter to hit the other countries, but no one says how far inland the wave went once it hit.

[Pallas180]

11. And finally, I can hear Falwell now :

"those heathens are being punished because they don't accept -----
----- as their savior"......

wait - he'll be interviewed on tv shortly saying so.

[DoYouEverWonder]

30. Usually not very far

Most places the wave traveled inland only a few blocks. However, down in Aceh (sp ?), I believe the waves came in up to 1.5 miles. Also many small islands were completely submerged. Most of the time when the water runs back out, there not much left except a new beach and a lot of debris.

[Pallas180]

12. Scientists: Asia Earthquake Disturbed Earth's Rotation

Breaking News: Italian Scientist Enzo Boschi quoted above.

Also:

Tuesday December 28, 1:14 PM
Quake rattled Earth orbit, changed map of Asia: US geophysicist


AFP Photo


An earthquake that unleashed deadly tidal waves on Asia was so powerful it made the Earth wobble on its axis and permanently altered the regional map, US geophysicists said.

The 9.0-magnitude temblor that struck 250 kilometers (155 miles) southeast of Sumatra island Sunday may have moved small islands as much as 20 meters (66 feet), according to one expert.

"That earthquake has changed the map," US Geological Survey expert Ken Hudnut told AFP.

"Based on seismic modeling, some of the smaller islands off the southwest coast of Sumatra may have moved to the southwest by about 20 meters. That is a lot of slip."

The northwestern tip of the Indonesian territory of Sumatra may also have shifted to the southwest by around 36 meters (120 feet), Hudnut said.

In addition, the energy released as the two sides of the undersea fault slipped against each other made the Earth wobble on its axis, Hudnut said.

"We can detect very slight motions of the Earth and I would expect that the Earth wobbled in its orbit when the earthquake occurred due the massive amount of energy exerted and the sudden shift in mass," Hudnut said.

Another USGS research geophysicist agreed that the Earth would have got a "little jog," and that the islands off Sumatra would have been moved by the quake.

However, Stuart Sipkin, of the USGS National Earthquake Information Center in Golden Colorado, said it was more likely that the islands off Sumatra had risen higher out of the sea than they had moved laterally.

"In in this case, the Indian plate dived below the Burma plate, causing uplift, so most of the motion to the islands would have been vertical, not horizontal."

The tsunamis unleashed by the fourth-biggest earthquake in a century have left at least 23,675 people dead in eight countries across Asia and as far as Somalia in East Africa.

The tsunamis wiped out entire coastal villages and pulled beach-goers out to sea.

The International Red Cross estimated that up to one million people have been displaced by the natural calamity.

[cliss]

13. Amazing.

It's awesome to remember how little power we actually have.

Thanks for the post. Very interesting. I just talked with a friend on the phone, and she said the tsunami went in about 1 mile in most of the devastated areas.

[Pallas180]

14. thanks Cliss -

I'm about 5 miles from the beach....and thinking maybe it's not far enough.

[Cerridwen]

15. Pod of 20 Whales Beached on Remote Australia Coast

"Emad" posted this in the Lounge. I think maybe it is worth noting here, as well.

Lounge link: http://tinyurl.com/6edxx



Pod of 20 Whales Beached on Remote Australia Coast
Tue Dec 28, 2004 04:36 AM ET
Mystery Beaching In Tasmania


SYDNEY (Reuters) - Twenty adult female sperm whales have been found washed up on a remote Australian beach but wildlife officials on Tuesday were unable to explain the third such mass stranding in the same area in a month.

The whales, each between seven and 23-32 feet long, were discovered dead late on Monday on a beach near Strahan, 110 miles west of Hobart on the southern island state of Tasmania.

Scientists said it was impossible to tell if the mass beaching was linked to a huge earthquake recorded between Tasmania and Antarctica last week.

"It's very hard to pinpoint those sort of things because ... this year has been a year when we've had lots of strandings anyway and obviously they've all happened without an earthquake," zoologist Mark Hindell told Australian Broadcasting Corp. (ABC) television.
(I "tinyed" the article URL) http://tinyurl.com/6zybt

FALLOUT from the Aisan tsunami????

[Pallas180]

16. Tasmaninan earthquake? we didn't hear about that one - maybe

the precursor to the Indian earthquake....

The earth is on the move.

[Cerridwen]

17. I was thinking of the "Butterfly Effect"

http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~ldb/seminar/butterfly.html

There is so much we don't know about cause and effect; especially in those areas not easily defined using linear models.

I have no idea if the 2 events are connected; but is sure is an interesting coincidence.

And how does a confluence of all that's happening on this planet; hurricanes in Florida, drought here in southern NV, Mt. St. Helen's "acting up," flooding in southern CA, snow in southern TX a few days ago, drilling for oil anywhere, strip-mining, and other weather and geological conditions happening around the globe of which I'm unaware; contribute to creating sensitivities on/in the planet for various "natural" disasters.

I've just been wondering.

[dbt]

21. Cerridwen, what I hear is that Mother Earth

is raising her vibrational level and the disasters (as we humans see them) are manifestations of the ascension process--much like a fever. It sure seems like everything is happening at once, no?

:hi:
dbt

[Cerridwen]

22. I just keep wondering if there is more activity going on

or if it's just that we have access to more worldwide information? It definitely seems that there is much activity on planet Earth.


And not just geological, as we're all aware.

[pacifictiger]

18. mass whale beachings

are not that uncommon and scientists are still trying to figure out why this happens. One theory is that the 'leader' becomes disoriented and the others are following along.
Besides the massive indonesian earthquake, 3 days beforehand there was a large 8.1 earthquake south of New Zealand. No damage because it was so far from land, deep in the southern ocean, but tremors were felt in the South Island and Tasmania.

[Pallas180]

19. Red Cross and US asking for contributions - my thought -

all the US corporations who have outsourced to Sri Lanka and Vietnam
and Indonesia and India should have more than enough billions in profit to help their adopted countries and workers.

The Red Cross is asking for contributions of 44 million - a spit in the bucket for the corporations.

The WH gave a news conference saying how generous they know Americans will be - really? after they've encouraged the outsourcing of American jobs?

If georgie-porgie could raise a half a billion for his campaigns and another 1/4 billion for his inauguration, and he believes so strongly in privatizing, there's no reason his privatized buds should stop now.

I'm not being mean. These people need massive help, and our $10 or $20
can't match what the Halliburton's and Sunoco's can give, easily.

[2Design]

20. exactly - bush can campaign his corporate buddies for billions to help

and all those companies that have high paying CEOs all should be putting out the money

The liberals are the ones who usually do this - it is about time the republicans start pulling their own weight in helping humankind

You right our 10 dollars is nothing - the companies and bush have billions to help - this is another area they could go in and restructure and take profit - they should be jumping on it

[Pallas180]

23. From Galastro

Philip Sedgwick
Bringing Heaven to Earth

[e-mail]



Unless you've been visiting another solar system for the holidays, you're well aware of the horrifying geophysical catastrophe of last weekend. Given that you've been aboard Earth, you've also felt (to some degree) the tuning fork-like vibrations occurring in the interior of our planet. Aftershocks that would send most people scurrying for cover and Californians casually betting on the exact magnitude persist even through today.

Astrologers are scurrying as well. Cyberspace is filled with speculative e-mails about the planetary patterns that induce such things. Most of the classical alignment assumptions played out in this quake.

In my book, the factors I discussed in the last GT certainly apply in being contributing factors. But another factor appears here, though, that would be dismissed by astronomers and geophysicists as purely physical (yep, that's our point, too). On January 2nd, the Earth comes as close to the Sun as it does in its annual revolution. Every year between the 2nd and possibly 4th, depending upon your position on the planet and leap years, the Earth nudges nearest the Sun. Seven of twenty-one of the world's deadliest earthquakes (not counting this past event) have occurred within a month of the Earth's perihelion.

Why? This is the time of the shortest distance between the Earth and the Sun. This is also the time that one of the undeniable laws of nature applies with the greatest severity: gravity.

Anyway, given the shortest distance to the hugest body in our solar system, gravitational pulls maximize. Add to this the waning effect of the Full Moon, which places the Moon and Sun rising and setting opposite one another. This alignment causes the largest stress on the tectonic plates of Earth as caused by the lunation cycle. Something has to give. Add a few other planets for good measure and boom.

Believe it or not, tremors cause psychic disruption in everyone's sensorial systems. With the Earth approaching the Sun, everyone on earth feels the greatest gravity while the Earth achieves its maximum radial velocity around the Sun. It's like when the guy at the traveling carnival cranks up your favorite ride - you better hope he's not as hung over as he looks.

Time to get serious about life and work. Trounded Earthling.
Time to work out. Sigh. Those blues are the function of the gravitational tugs occur annually just after the turn of the year for those using the "standard" calendar.

No matter where you put the new year marker, in early January, things heavy up. The increasing velocity of the Earth induces an unconscious urgency to get on with life. If compliance does not occur immediately, the post-holiday-partum gravitationally-induced blues find their way into the psyche.

Given the recent world tragedy many count their blessings with new vigor. Regardless of reaction to the earthquake(s) and subsequent tsunamis, compassion for all humanity increases. The message might be to hold the compassion, sensitivity and displays of caring that often appear as temporary bright lights in a more sustained indelible manner within the soul. Life on Earth is not always easy. As the intense feelings of instability resonate within us all, may we remain mindful, tolerant and helpful.

Within it all, may the marking of the changing of the January-December calendar inspire you for your greatest involvement on Earth ever known.



A final note to astrologers: given the radical alteration of the Earth's daily rotation from the quakes, an accurate horoscope will be impossible for quite some time. That obscure little factor known as Delta T posted in your ephemeris is estimated, as it is in computer programs. While this fact remains true all the time, now it is more accentuated because of the skew to the Earth's rotation. Imagine that, we never calculate a present tense or future horoscope with exactitude and precision. We can only do it accurately looking at the past. Bugger.

[Dover]

24. Remarkable eyewitness video footage......

This is amazing video footage which you might not have seen yet. I don't have CNN or any cable so only see what's on the network nightly news. I've been reliant on the internet for images and most of my news. This is surreal, and I don't know how this fellow held onto the camera:

- shot from inside a beachfront restaurant, waves engulf older couple clinging to railing before flooding entire room

http://movies.ziaspace.com/Tsu.wmv

And some others here:

http://www.waxy.org/archive/2004/12/28/amateur_.shtml

patong_beach.wmv (10MB) - rooftop view of two huge waves battering buildings along shore, then flooding of city streets

sri_lanka.wmv (7MB) - upper balcony view of hotel swimming pool area getting flooded as observers run away; woman asks "how high will it go?" before retreating

koh_lanta_thailand.avi (11MB) - shot on beach level; watch as first wave grows and crashes, before cameraman's frantic retreat away from shore

penang_beach.wmv (1MB) - shot from wall above beach, three men are caught in battering waves

sri_lanka_resort.wmv (6MB) - upper level hotel balcony; restaurant, pools, and deck flooded as people cling to trees; two men narrate what they see

[Pallas180]

25. Quake moved some smaller islands 98 FEET ! I suggest we

start keeping a list of quakes in the ring of fire on this thread.

December 1 there was a 6.2 in Costa Rica,

Apparently late December there was a quake on the Tasmanian/
Australian Fault.

December 28 - Quake-Tsunami Sumatra plate

Earth changes have been predicted by astrologers and psychics for more than 20 years. I suspect we are in it now.

If anyone has a list of the countries in the Ring of Fire, please list.

Hawaii is one. Japan another...California, Mexico, Panama, major areas.

[pacifictiger]

29. Pallas

here is the USGS webpage link to recent earthquake activity greater than about 2.5 over the past week.
The sheer number on this list may surprise you -
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.html
here is a visual
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/

[arcos]

31. Actually the one in Costa Rica was on Nov 20th...

http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/sig_2004.html

[Pallas180]

32. Yes it doesn't have to be this week or this month , the

last couple of months or even 6 months might be telling us the "ring
of fire" is on fire...that does include volcanoes and earthquakes...

[Pallas180]

33. Didn't China also have a quake fairly recently? and Iran too?

?

[Soopercali]

26. Looks like some scientists predicted it, same as Nolle.

http://newstodaynet.com/27DEC/SS6.HTM

The quake was actually predicted by a team of research scholars of the Department of Applied Geology, University of Madras, with a permissible error, a week ago.

N Venkatanathan, research scholar, who is currently undergoing a Ph.D programme in Predicting Earthquake and Aseismic Construction Designing and the man behind the team working on predictions, said he had already presented a report about the Indonesian earthquake on 22 December to members of the Department of Science and Technology, New Delhi.

***

Venkatanathan said, 'we predicted that the disaster will occur on 26 December 2004 at 00:30 (GMT) with 3.54 N latitude and 97.17E longitude, which is located near the coast of Banyak Island, Sumatra, Indonesia, with a magnitude at around 6 to 7. The actual calamity occurred on 26 December 2004 at 00:58 (GMT), with 3.298 N latitude and 95.779 E longitude, located off the west coast of northern Sumatra'.

The difference in distance between the predicted place and the epicentre was 157.11899 km with a time difference of 28 minutes. He also said the team had predicted that the after-shocks would occur at 700 km to the South of the epicentre between 5 pm and 6 pm. This was recorded with permissible error. It occurred at 157 km from the epicentre. That is with the error of 521 km.

Venkatanathan explained that the prediction was based on a novel method developed by the team. According to the method, when two or more planets, Sun and the Moon get aligned more or less in line (0 to 180 degree) with the earth it could affect the angular momentum of the earth and decrease the speed of rotation of the earth which could trigger an earthquake.

[Dover]

27. Interesting! Seems that Nolle was ahead of his time with his "supermoon"

predictions. It makes sense.

[NMDemDist2]

28. Volcano erupts on Indian Ocean isle

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1109996

From correspondents in Port Blair
December 30, 2004

INDIA's last active volcano, in the Andaman and Nicobar islands, has erupted in the aftermath of the earthquake that set off tsunamis killing thousands of people, official sources said today.
People have been evacuated from Barren Island since the eruption began on Tuesday night and there are no reports of injury.

Lava was flowing out of the rim of the crater, which towers above the Indian Ocean, the sources said.

Tourists used to visit by boat and the island has a police station.

The volcano, known as Barren 1, is located 135km north-east of the capital Port Blair and last erupted in 1996.


More: at link http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11814736%255E1702,00.html

[Pallas180]

34. the "Pacific Ring of Fire" :

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-12-2004_pg4_2

Pacific ‘Ring of Fire’ responsible for another disaster

HONG KONG: The huge submarine earthquake that created deadly tsunamis Sunday was just the latest catastrophe in a part of the world, known as the Pacific ‘Ring of Fire’, where earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are almost daily occurrences.

Whether on land or underwater, the volatile edges of the north Pacific, bounded by the east Asian rim and the west coast of the Americas, are alive with near-constant seismic activity. Some of the most dramatic natural disasters of recent history have happened within the Ring’s arc, which stretches from Chile, north to Alaska and then west to encompass Japan, Southeast Asia and the Pacific islands. From the nuclear-like explosion of Krakatoa volcano off the coast of Indonesia in 1883 to the eruption of Mount St Helens in the United States in 1980; and from the freak quake that felled San Francisco in 1906 to the one that devastated Kobe, Japan, in 1995, the Ring’s awesome power is legend.

“It is the most active part of the Earth with huge amounts of seismic activity occurring every second,” said Cvetan Sinadinovski, a geophysicist at Australia’s Geoscience Australia institute.

The reason for such geological volatility is the fragile fault lines that ring the zone. The Earth’s crust is made up of a series of rocky plates that literally float on the molten rock of the Earth’s mantle and core, interlocked over the entire planet like the pieces of a puzzle. These plates are in constant motion, clashing into each other or moving away from each other, creating stresses and pressure build-ups at their margins.

These edges, or fault lines, are weak points in the planet’s surface where the crust drops to just a few miles in thickness; at its thickest it is about 20 miles deep.

The Ring of Fire traces the margins of the biggest plate - the Pacific plate on which the world’s largest ocean sits. Around its edges the pressure cooker conditions of the white hot liquefied rock that pushes up from below the surface find their points of least resistance and like a kettle valve, often explode in a violent release of energy. Many of these eruptions are small, localised and happen underwater. But occasionally huge volcanic explosions, earthquakes or landslides occur, as pent up energy is released through the weak fissures of the fault lines in huge explosions. “The Pacific plate has lots of stresses and strains put on it from the plates beside it,” said Sidanovski. “That pressure energy gets localised in the margins and is released, as we saw on Sunday, in potentially huge earthquakes.”

[Pallas180]

35. Great circle of volcanoes & seismic activity ringing Pacific - film

Ring of Fire

An explanation about the great circle of volcanoes and seismic activity that rings the Pacific Ocean and the varied people and cultures who coexist with them. A team of geologists, anthropologists, computer animators and filmmakers worked for over seven years on this film project which explores the great boundary in the earth's crust where more than three-fourth's of the world's active volcanoes are located. Spectacular volcanic eruptions are featured, including Mount St. Helens, Navidad in Chile, Sakurajima in Japan, and Mount Merapi in Indonesia. As dense plumes of ash explode up into the sky viewers will witness the birth of a new volcano in southern Chile. In Indonesia, the most volcanic nation on earth, miners risk their lives to recover sulfur from the notorious slopes of Kawah Ijen. (38 minutes)

http://www.smm.org/omni/RofF/RofFabout.html#

[Pallas180]

36. 5. earthquake in Japan today. Ring of Fire is certainly activated

not sounding good for Hawaii, Alaska, Northwest US and California.



JAPAN: December 31, 2004


TOKYO - An earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 5 jolted Japan's Miyagi Prefecture, some 300 km (190 miles) northeast of Tokyo, on Thursday, the Japan Meteorological Agency said.


It said no tsunami warning was issued for the quake, which was centred in the ocean off northern Miyagi Prefecture, 80 km (50 miles) below the seabed.

[Pallas180]

37. 6 + aftershock hits Indonesia, affects refugee camps.

It's pretty awful. You wish you could write them or help them personally.