Cheney Health Thread Part II

[MissWaverly]

Here's the picture from Yahoo.com, I posted it in my photobucket site

[MissWaverly]

1. picture of Cheney with 2 shoes

this is from Wonkette.com

[MissWaverly]

2. Cheney Nap 1 April 21, 2006

VEEP ASLEEP: Vice President Dick Cheney gets caught napping yesterday as Defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other White House aides leave a press briefing by President Bush and Chinese leader Hu Jintao. The veep's people later insisted he was reading his notes, but if you ask us, it sure looks as if he's dreaming of quail hunting - and maybe bagging some birds this time.
Photo: Getty, this was from a nypost.com/news/nationalnews

[MissWaverly]

3. Nap 2

Reuters - Fri May 12, 11:34 AM ET
U.S. President George W. Bush speaks during a meeting about the situation in Iraq with current and former U.S. secretaries of state and defense at the White House in Washington May 12, 2006.

Picture can be found at news.yahoo.com

[lady lib]

27. My guess on the shoe picture...

Cheney's gout was causing his left great toe to be so painful that he was unable to wear a stiff shoe.

:cry: Boo hoo, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy!

[MissWaverly]

30. I would agree but I have seen pictures of his entire leg swollen

[cassiepriam]

4. Miss W, can I get into your photo bucket site? I want to see if

I can get a bigger look at that throat area.

Maybe you should change the thread title to photo analysis or pic read? :) Or start a new one with that title!

You are good, I think you should be in charge of photo analysis. And also tell us how we can post pics we want others to look at....I think that you can't just cut and paste?

Just some ideas to think about. We have so much talent here, we should use it for this. Like during the Cold War, the only info obtainable was the intense analysis of the Kremlin leadership.

[MissWaverly]

5. okay, here is the scoop

my snap is only 100 x 100 pixels so you can't enlarge a particular area, now most of the
time you many copy a photo by right clicking with your mouse on the image, and a window
will pop up which list properties, if you copy the "URL" and paste it into your post;
then you should have the photo, you will have to go back and copy the text as well and
then go in and edit your post to include text, including the credit of where you got
it since it's copyrighted. Now if you go to Yahoo.com and do a search for images,
George W. Bush, March, 2006, you should see the original, if you click on it; it will enlarge,
I cannot give you the link because the post only allows 1 e-mail link per post.

[cassiepriam]

6. Many thanks on how to post a pic. I will also go to Yahoo and see

if I can see a pic of * throat scar.

I do wonder if he had an emergency trach at some point in his life,
would not be surprised with his drug and alcohol history.

[MissWaverly]

7. I think this is recent

Believe me I have looked at a lot of pics of Bush and Cheney lately

[cassiepriam]

107. And from my friend the medical intuitive re: bush throat mystery

She says throat shadow and perhaps throat chakra problems.

[Love Bug]

116. If he has throat chakra problems it's because he never tells the truth!

[cassiepriam]

120. Yep, his throat chakra must be spinning backwards by now :) nt

[Sanity Claws]

8. bush - what the hell is wrong with his throat?

I apologize that my link on the prior posting didn't work. I hope it works this time. If not, I give up and cry uncle!

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/pl/081201presidentbush/im:/060521/ids_photos_ts/r2666885786.jpg;_ylt=AioYu0UN9QqlIdxx7zfyhlBrWscF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3dmhrOGVvBHNlYwNzc20-

Edit -- sorry it didn't work. If you want to see these photos, go to yahoo.com; go to news.
Once there, click on photos.
Go to politics. There you'll see some photos of bush, click on him, and get a series of photos on him. Photos show a strange hole in his throat. I've never seen this before.

[MissWaverly]

9. we agree, if you look at the 1st post I did include a pic of GWB

it looks like he had a trach, which is where they make a small incision to insert a breathing
tube, that is what it looks like but I am a layman.

[MissWaverly]

10. Okay, here is Time Magazine cover

I found this on www.Yahoo.com

[cassiepriam]

13. Could it just be the way his neck is aging? Skin sagging and all?

Hard to tell. Why can't the media give us a really good pic of his neck, darn them :)

Or maybe Rove tried to give * a brain transplant and they had to go in thru the neck.....skull was way too thick, couldn't make a dent with a drill hammer.

[MissWaverly]

14. Hope this one works

[MissWaverly]

15. I don't think that it is skin sagging

in one of the pictures which do not reproduce well, it clearly shows a round indentation
and under it is a crease that looks like a surgical technique, like a flap of skin turned
over, that is the first picture that I posted on this thread.

[cassiepriam]

11. I have not been able to see the pic up close, just my speculation

at this point based upon what you all are seeing.

[MissWaverly]

12. what's your take on the Time cover?

[cassiepriam]

16. Good god, in that pic it looks like a dark hole. Yikes.....

I will be on the look out for a better pic...

Certainly we would have noticed that before.
It must be recent?

I wonder if he had some moles, or some sort of sun damage that may be pre cancerous?

I don't think they tend to be on the throat like that, but they can be anywhere....

[MissWaverly]

17. well, it's a painting so it will not be correct in every detail

but I feel that he tried to paint the picture accurately and with bright lighting, Bush
would not have had his face lit up so brightly normally, the painting was probably done
from the photo.

[cassiepriam]

18. Yes, it is stylized, but the artist would not add a dark spot?

Something must have been there to begin with.

[MissWaverly]

19. yes, if anything, he would minimize it to flatter

but I don't think he could leave it out since this is in a sense a historical work

[cassiepriam]

22. Yes, exactly, he would minimize it if anything, soften it. nt

[cassiepriam]

21. Both his parents had Grave's disease, a thyroid disease....

This was diagnosed about the time of the first Gulf War, and did not get the press attention it deserved. It can cause erratic behaviot (like starting a war.) Only the medical community buzzed a bit about it.

The fact that both Bush Sr and his wife had the disease was very unusual and even their dog had an auto immune diesase as well. There has been speculaton about all of it. Were they poisoned? Or was the water bad at Kennebunkport?

I can't see the exact location of the spot you are talking about, but could it possibly be some sort of thyroid biopsy? Bush is at risk for thyroid problems in light of his parents history.


http://thyroid.about.com/od/symptomsrisks/l/aa011602a.htm

http://thyroid.about.com/b/a/109701.htm

[cassiepriam]

24. PS you can get psychotic symptoms with Graves...

and other mood and behavior problems. There was speculation that the Bush's pretzel choking episode was related to thyroid disease....

[Quakerfriend]

20. I have seen many a trach patient and, I am certain that he

has NOT had a trach. No doubt about it.

(But, he could use a lobotomy!) :silly:

[cassiepriam]

23. Yes that is what I thought, too deep for a trach?

Yep on the lobotomy... actually I don't think he has any frontal lobes anyway....

[MissWaverly]

25. I thought it might be a trach

because it was left open, he seems to have problem with fainting spells, remember the
pretzel incident, and they say that he wears a life vest.

Well, good night, all.

Miss Waverly

[cassiepriam]

26. Anything is possible, but look at my Graves disease post above...

see what you think.... bizarre situation all of it...

Signing off here too ..... nighty night!

[MissWaverly]

28. I hope this works

It's a picture that I printed from Yahoo.com, It's taken by Ernst/and is a Reuters
picture from 5/21/06

[MissWaverly]

29. I lost detail when I shrunk it, but area around it is swollen

[cassiepriam]

31. Yikes, that is a large wound site if that is what it is.

That does not look like a small biopsy or mole removal.
And it is hard for me to tell, but I think it is a bit high for thyroid.

Miss W, do you think there is any shadow in the view? Or do you think it is all indentation? And is it just above the larynx? And it looks perfectly round, not irregularly shaped?

[MissWaverly]

33. it does not look like a shadow, it looks like an open

area, it resembles an arch with the bottom part at a 45 degree slope.

[cassiepriam]

36. Yes that is what it looks like.......

I have several ideas that I have kicked around in some of my posts, but I am going to show it to a friend who does medical intuitive work. See what she thinks... will let you know what we come up with. She and I do a lot of brainstorming on various projects.....

[Sanity Claws]

32. good photo

There was another good photo taken today, 5/22, and posted on yahoo. Since I seem to be technologically disinclined, could I suggest that you post this photo and perhaps one from today over on the Health forum and see whether anyone there with a medical background can figure out what they think is going on?
I thought about posting a link to this thread myself but then thought that the name of our beloved forum may elicit responses from skeptics, instead of getting people to focus on the question.

[I Have A Dream]

34. You are a wise woman, in search of sanity.

I do indeed think that the responses would have been as you suspected. Thank you for protecting our safe haven! :hug:

[MissWaverly]

35. anybody can right click on this photo

just right click on the photo, click on properties and copy the url and paste it into a post. Voila!

I can't look at another picture of Bush and Cheeny, I am truly bushed out.

Miss Waverly

[cassiepriam]

39. Poor Miss W. You must be seeing Cheney napping in your dreams..

and that horrible gaping hole in *'s throat now....

:(

[MissWaverly]

42. Yes, I am being to feel like a groupie

did you know you can get bush ring tones for your phone

[cassiepriam]

44. And what pray tell, does a Bush ring tone sound like????????? nt

[MissWaverly]

46. that's when I did a fast exit

can you imagine what it would be like to hear: heh, heh, heh
when your phone rang, it gives me the chills.

:-)

[cassiepriam]

50. Don't blame you... very bad energy to carry his voice around...

and being creeped out all the time to boot.

[cassiepriam]

37. I had the same idea. I wonder if the Health forum would consult with

us on this project. But I was afraid also that they might discount us. But I think that any medical person who sees that pic is going to do a double take and get interested fast.

[I Have A Dream]

40. I don't think that they'd discount you if you took the information...

over to that forum. Maybe we could them post a link to that thread over here so that anyone here who is interested could go there to be involved in the discussion. This forum would never have to be mentioned. (I can't wait for the world to wake up so that we don't have to play these games!)

(Just in case anyone's wondering, I'm not AT ALL ashamed of or embarrassed about this group; I love this group more than I can say. It's just that I have an on-going concern that troublemakers will find this forum and turn it into an argumentative, mean-spirited place. We have such wonderful peace and tranquility here now that I've become extremely protective of it.)

[cassiepriam]

45. Yes that is what I thought too. We could then post a link to the thread

here.....

I will wait to make sure everyone is OK with this.

I hear you Dream. That is where I am coming from too...

This is the one place we don't get hassled. I would like to keep it that way!

[MissWaverly]

49. what I noticed

My posting to my journal can be read on goggle by anyone who puts up my handle, Miss Waverly,
then w/o coming to or belonging to DU, can open and read my entries. I am not ashamed
of what I post, but I have trouble from freepers before and I didn't know that I was
doing a shout out to the whole web by posting in my journal. The Astrology stuff does not
come up on goggle.

[japple]

74. I share your concerns about our little corner of peace and safety. n/t

[MissWaverly]

41. thanks, I have done a lot of looking at George Bush

as near as I can tell, this indentation first appeared in 2001, If you look at the Michael
Moore "My Pet Goat" sequence you will not see it; but I noticed later it was there, it seemed
at that point to resemble the first picture I posted on this thread, a small round hole, with
a flap of skin folded back at the bottom. At that time, I would estimate it to be the size of
nickel but now estimating the curvature of his mouth to be 3/4 inch, I would say this indent
is the same width and a half inch in depth.

[cassiepriam]

43. Miss W, you should be working in a gov't spy tank somewhere...

you are good.

2001..... I wonder if his choking, falling, bruises, etc
have any connection with the mysterious throat scar....

[MissWaverly]

47. I don't know but why is it open

It seems like it is an open area, I am thinking that if it is not for an oxygen hose, then
could it be for drainage.

[cassiepriam]

51. It looks open, but no, it can not be an open wound.

That would be very noticeable and medically a problem for many reasons.

The old trach hypothesis is a good one, but the healed trachs I have seen don't have the hole effect, is more like a healed up scar area but not so much indentation.

I am trying to think what would cause that hole effect, would have to have some missing tissue. Certainly all of his extensive vacations would have afforded him surgery time and post op time.

Yep, we need to bring in the medics on this one.

[cassiepriam]

38. Is it safe to just post the pic and a simple request for any opinions

on the Health Forum? And of course not mention this forum at all.

Just post it as a person who is curious about the pic. Or is even that too risky? I do not want to do anything to cause any attention here....

[I Have A Dream]

48. Why not? My guess is that they'd enjoy discussing it also.

It would be interesting to hear what they have to say.

[cassiepriam]

52. You may have to do it Dream. I can't get the pics copied.

I can write the questions if you want, but I can't get the pics copied. I right clicked and tried to copy but no luck with pasting it on a new thread....

This calls for more advanced skills than I apparently have!

[I Have A Dream]

54. This is what you'd include in the post to get the picture to show up

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b49/MissWaverly/Scan0002.jpg



(It's not showing as a picture because I checked the 'Check
here if you want to format our message in plain text.  Use for
posting code snippets.' checkbox  so that it shows the actual
code.)

If that doesn't work for you, I'll post it for you, cassie.

[cassiepriam]

55. Many thanks Dream, I was able to do it with your help.... nt

[I Have A Dream]

56. Here's the link to where cassiepriam posted this in the Health...

forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=222&topic_id=8443&mesg_id=8443

[Grateful for Hope]

57. Thank you both!

I read the comments so far, and, I do find myself agreeing with one of the posters that this is merely age-related. I have a feeling that, if it were a result of, say, a tracheotomy, there would be an effort to conceal it.

[cassiepriam]

58. Look at the pic of Bush Sr. Exact same hole in throat

Diagnosis: Inherited throat chakra dysfunction :(

[I Have A Dream]

59. Here it is...

[MissWaverly]

62. I would agree with you but

on the picture I have you can see swelling all around the indented area, I think something is going on medically, the arc shaped area is a scab color, why would a "shadow" be that color?

Just asking???

though I do believe the family has certain health conditions, doesn't mean that he
doesn't have something else going on.

I thought the chakra thing was interesting, I was sorry that you had to take heat from the
Pez Heads.

:-)

[cassiepriam]

63. LOL it was funny, I did not mind them...

The Pez Heads as you call them....

I hear you, genetics doesn't seem a totally satisfactory answer to what we are seeing. And yes a person can have two things wrong at the same time. I still am wondering about it all. Will be thinking and checking around some more.

It was funny though when they started talking about the throat chakra, I had been thinking the same thing late last night. I just didn't expect the Health Forum to bring it up. Funny, they are talking about chakras and we have been talking about trachs, and Graves Disease. :) Role reversal.....

PS You know that Bush Sr and Junior must have fried their throat chakras a loooooooong time ago..... to the extent their throats have permanent indentations :((

[MissWaverly]

65. the picture that you posted in the health forum

his throat was swollen so there was no real pocket, hence no shadow, isn't there a problem
where the thyroid completely swells up to 3 times its size, could they be "draining it"
otherwise, would he have a "goiter" Just wondering.

[cassiepriam]

66. A goiter is an enlargement of the thyroid gland.

And usually a large portion of the neck looks puffy and swollen. No, it is not drained. Treatment is medication or surgery to remove it....

Leave it to *. Nothing is ever simple and straightforward with that man.

I will let you know what I find out from my friend.....

[MissWaverly]

68. see what I just posted to you above

very interesting article, I don't remember reading this, remember, I said the first one
was in 2001.

:-)

[MissWaverly]

67. very interesting article, I just looked at

On December 14, 2001, Bush had four noncancerous skin lesions removed from his face. The Press learned of this only when Bush appeared before cameras with dark red spots on his face
http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/g43.htm

[MissWaverly]

69. 2 more articles, first is from American Cancer Society

President Bush Treated For Skin Lesions Caused by Exposure to Sunlight
Article date: 2001/12/21
President George W. Bush recently had four skin lesions removed from his face, two of which could have turned into non-melanoma skin cancer if left untreated, the White House announced this week.
Lesion is the term doctors use to describe an abnormal growth of tissue, and there are many kinds.

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/content/NWS_1_1x_President_Bush_Treated_For_Skin_Lesions.asp

Does Bush have Potentially Fatal Skin Cancer? Have Meds Affected His Judgment?
Mark G. Levey | April 15 2005
A number of us have noted those sores that keep reappearing on W's face. They may be evidence that Bush suffers from cancer. Those recurrent lesions on his left cheek are in the area where he had cancerous growths removed in 2001. This raises the question - is he being treated with cancer drugs that might affect his judgment or cause him to lose consciousness? Is he literally unfit for command? Read below.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2005/150405skincancer.htm

[cassiepriam]

70. Yes Bush has had skin lesions removed, but these are most likely

keratoses, which are benign and quite common. They are usually just burned or frozen off. No one gets excited about these. Or he could have had a basal cell carcinoma, which is a skin cancer, but very common and non fatal, very slow growing. The lesion is just removed and that is it. No one gets excited about this either.

The only fatal form of skin cancer is a melanoma and it is a very poor prognosis in advanced stage. However the comments that bush has this and is undergoing chemo does not make sense. There is no treatment for melanoma at this time. No chemo, no radiation, nothing. Only removal of the lesion. And it is most certainly not burned or frozen off. A melanoma does not look like a keratosis or basal cell. Any surgeon or dermatologist who sees anything looking like a melanoma is going to remove it surgically with nice wide margins and get it to the lab pronto. And it is not common to have them all over your face like that. Also a melanoma dx would be hard to hide I would think. It is a serious dx.

I would say it is more like a keratosis.

What I find interesting is that both Bush and his father had the choking type episodes. Some sort of vasso-vagal problems.

[Sanity Claws]

71. Daddy bush too?

I don't remember a choking episode. I remember when he threw up at a fancy schmancy dinner in Japan.

[cassiepriam]

76. Yes that is the episode that some think was similar from a medical

standpoint. Bush Sr had other symptoms at the time. He became quite dizzy, almost fainted. Just like Bush Jr. choking, vomiting on the pretzel, fainting.

[MissWaverly]

72. also, Bush, Jr. had a habit of chewing tobacco

I wonder, that's has been linked to major health issues afterwards, I remember reading about
pitchers having problems after chewing tobacco, what I am sawing that whatever his condition
is, it may have been aggravated by his intake of alcohol and his habit of chewing tobacco

[cassiepriam]

75. Absolutely true. His lifestyle puts him at health risk.

Drugs, alcohol, sexual behavior. (Many reports about how wild he was....).

The alleged event that lead to his so called sobriety in mid life was a major family embarrassment. While at a big party, he was as usual, very intoxicated, he became quite sexually inappropriate towards an older long time female friend of the family. That did it for Laura, she gave him an ultimatum..... at least that is the story I have been hearing. Certainly rings true. For someone like Bush to even pretend to stop drinking something bad must have happened.

Yes I think he is still chewing tobacco, all that spitting we see him doing? I wonder.... yes puts him at risk for mouth and tongue cancer...

[MissWaverly]

78. plus I think that he has an anxiety disorder

I constantly see him biting his tongue, if that is true then he is constantly undergoing stress
which is another elevated risk. What a shame!

[cassiepriam]

81. Oh we have not even mentioned all his psych diagnoses......

don't get me started on that tangent.....
I will be posting forever :((

Yes I think he is quite anxious but that is probably the most benign of all his psych issues.

But his jaw tick and tongue movements could be quite a few things. Could be neurological, or psych, or meds....I am not sure I buy anxiety as causing the mouth/tongue stuff as the press would have us believe.

[MissWaverly]

82. Hey, I agree

don't want you posting until infinity, what was that tale about if you put an infinite
number of monkeys together that they would eventually type all the great works of literature,
I don't think that is true, they would probably just come up with the 'Contract for America."

:-)

[hippiechick]

84. Anxiety resulting from having to cut back his coke use, perhaps ...

... not to mention his separation from his long time lovers, Jim Beam and Jack Daniels.

[cassiepriam]

86. Yep, he could still be using, and having hangovers and periodic

withdrawal. I know I am in the minority, but I am not convinced he is clean and sober.

[MissWaverly]

92. He is still drinking, I saw him toasting Premier Hu

during his visit to America

[hippiechick]

93. I don't doubt it ...

For a "normal" recovering alcoholic, it would have been sparkling cider or near-Beer while everyone else had alcohol content ... but I'm with you that George is not on the wagon.

[MissWaverly]

95. hope this works

This is from Wonkette.com

http://mud.mm-a1.yimg.com/image/154212991

[cassiepriam]

98. Did you actually see him drink it? Recovering alcoholics will often

raise a glass in a toast, but not actually drink it.

That said, I do believe he is drinking.

[MissWaverly]

103. I don't know, but I used to know an irishman quite well

he's moved on to that great field of whiskey and rye in the sky, but he would always overfill
his glasses, more than an average person would, especially if they were just doing a symbolic
toast. I notice that when Bush holds wine glasses, they are also "over filled" which I
take to mean that he plans to drink them.

[cassiepriam]

99. In a number of video clips Bush has looked very intoxicated to me.

There was one a while back when he was campaigning for someone.
And then a clip of him getting off a helicopter. No doubt at all in my mind that he was quite intoxicated.

The kind of intoxicated that you see in long time drinkers with a high tolerance and a lot of practice with being inebriated.

[MissWaverly]

100. Yes, that's right

remember the one time that he was going to give a talk to this medical team that had been
in Iraq, they spent the whole day getting ready, he came off the plane, was seen to have
trouble walking and Laura helped him back on the plane, it seems like it was back before Christmas.

[cassiepriam]

105. Here is the one I am talking about, Bush looks and sounds intoxicated.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/11/13.html

Click on this, then go half way down the page to the section
titled: Bush With Kilgore.

Then click on video. For some reason
I cannot get a direct link....


(do you have a clip of the incident you remember??)

[MissWaverly]

108. here's a toast I could find

But the one I remember, he had a large glass with a dark fluid, looked like "Sherry?"

This is from a foreign site www.estadao.com.br, it's from 2/20

[Grateful for Hope]

110. Yes, he definitely sounds (and looks) intoxicated

and, Kilgore's smile seems very strained.

[cassiepriam]

112. Yes I agree on Kilgore's look. Did you see the part where Bush

is coming off the helicopter, he staggers and then flops his arm around Laura in a sloppy drunk way?

She of course is aware that he is drinking. Last year I picked up that she was very worried about him, she was covering for him quite a bit, and that in public she was actually propping him up. Either physically or emotionally.

[Grateful for Hope]

114. Yes, I saw it. n/t

[cassiepriam]

113. So, quite possible that Bush and Cheney are active alcoholics.

And that Cheney is in advanced stage congestive heart failure, with narcolepsy. (Hence the bizarre shooting episode, and why the delay in reporting, they had to sober up Cheney first.)

And Bush has multiple psychiatric diagnoses. Plus I still think there is something going on with him neurologically. His aphasic language skills (mangling the language all the time.) Odd tics and mannerisms etc......

Isn't it all just ducky???

[crikkett]

60. LOL

:freak:

[cassiepriam]

53. Off topic..... does any one want my stickies? I have no idea what to do

with them. I think we can give them away...

[crikkett]

61. how about this quote for one of them:

"We have to pray for your brother. He's in real trouble." -- Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, in a conversation with the president's sister overheard by the New York Daily News' Lloyd Grove.

You can modify it to be short enough:

"We have to pray for *. He's in real trouble." - SCJ Thomas

[cassiepriam]

64. That's a good suggestion, I posted it, and one w/ a St. Francis

quote.... Make me an instrument of your peace.
I just loved Cindy S's most recent article using St Francis as a theme.....

Thanks Crikkett

[crikkett]

115. Thanks Cassiepriam!

I saw the quotes you chose in the DU sticky banner and it made my day!
But strangely enough, when I went to post a note about it (like I'm doing now) my computer crashed and burned

:)

Hey at least I had an excuse to go outside and work in the garden.

[MissWaverly]

73. I have been puzzling over that one

do you think this is over his unitary executive over reach???

[cassiepriam]

88. I wondered the same thing. Exactly what is causing his angst all

of a sudden? Don't know if it was about executive policy or more personal in nature.

[MissWaverly]

90. it has to be a legal issue

I think that their focus is the law, I don't think he would be thinking about how the 2006 campaign is doing in Iowa, for example. I don't think that they ever ruled on the the Hamdan
case. Bush's whole unitary executive defense is wafer thin legally.

[cassiepriam]

77. Cheney fell asleep again? Interesting thread in GD..........

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1272919

[MissWaverly]

79. I saw that

poster was saying that he fell asleep several times????

[cassiepriam]

80. Yes, several times, would suddenly awake and look disoriented...

I have not seen the video on it, just going by the GD post.

I still think narcolepsy/sleep apnea is a good guess.
I guess they could be over medicating him with ambien or other sleep meds and tranqs, but that is very dangerous with his cardiac condition.

How many times in a month has this happened? And these are just the times the press has caught it. That means he is most likely doing it at least several times a week at this point. I do not understand why more people are not questioning this behavior. He is "only a heart beat away from the presidency" after all.

[MissWaverly]

83. I think that we have been conditioned to not question

I think objectivity is needed otherwise quality suffers, these people are elected officials
not reigning monarchs, congress is supposed to be a oversight of the executive branch. If my senator or congressman was a republican and rubber stamped this mess; I would seriously think about replacing them. David Brooks said that my Senator Barbara Mikulski, was the only one to really challenge Hayden's confirmation.

[cassiepriam]

85. Congress and the courts have rolled over and played dead.

We pretty much have only one branch of gov't now. The repugs have also decimated the press and the federal bureaucracy. So the prez is the only game in town. Checks and balances gone bye bye.

[MissWaverly]

87. I think that is why Hastert is so upset

He's beginning to realize that people understand that the "culture of corruption" is exactly that, remember how enthusiastic they were to impeach Bill Clinton for a non-crime that had
nothing to do with his actions as president, now I think they are beginning to hear the wheels
of justice rolling towards them & they want immunity. Of course.

[cassiepriam]

89. Hasert could just be protecting his own. The repugs have more to

fear from the FBI than the Dems.

[MissWaverly]

91. I remember reading about 6 months ago

That the FBI and the Justice Department have heaps of information on corruption in Congress,
they could have been using the bribe as a wedge to widen their investigation, or it may be a partisan smear tactic.

[hippiechick]

94. ABC News tonight reporting Hastert up to his armpits w/ Abramoff

:popcorn: THIS could get good!!!

[MissWaverly]

96. I hope so too

I am a baby boomer, and I want to see real Perry Mason stuff, I want to see Judges who
are unbiased and don't act like they put (R) above the rule of law. I am tired of the
GOPs ability to destroy lives based on whisper campaigns based on lies while they
trash this country with impunity.

[cassiepriam]

97. It is getting more difficult to figure out anything... Intrigue on top of

intrigue. If this all were a novel I would never believe it. (And with all this drama in Washington you have to wonder who is minding the store.)

Give me the Dems' sexual indiscretions any day. I can figure out lust and love a lot easier than corrupt money trails and power plays.

Of course with my Mars in Scorpio, figuring out Rove and the other repugs is easier than I care to admit. :(

[MissWaverly]

101. I think the outrage over Clinton was playacting

They have not said a peep about anything for the last 6 years, if they are determined to bring
morality to government, where is it, they certainly made morality a 24 hour thing when Bill
Clinton was president.

[cassiepriam]

102. Of course it was acting. The outrage was pure theator...

most of them have had affairs. Daddy Bush is said to have had a long time mistress, and Bush's sexcapades are legend.

[MissWaverly]

104. Well, I think that their free ride is over

I think that there is a morality in this country. I think most toe the line in this country
and the American people remember the GOP's meaness to Clinton and are not going to feel sorry for them caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

[cassiepriam]

106. I hope you are right. I still stand by my belief that Rove has a few

tricks up his sleeve, it is not over til it's over.

If this were all a movie, I would be fascinated.

But since it is real life, I am devastated.

[MissWaverly]

109. I hope Fitzgerald shows up some with an indictment

[cassiepriam]

111. There was a thread in GD that it is not Rove who is the mastermind

......... it is Baker pulling all the strings.

I think perhaps though it is Baker handling the rigged elections.
Rove does other pieces.....

Yes, I hope that Fitz is narrowing down on Rove, though it is possible he is leaning on Rove to give up Cheney and Bush. Could be playing cat and mouse with Rove.

Someday this is going to be one heck of a book.

[MissWaverly]

117. yes, I rather read about it than live through it

But, I hope they will remember the bloggers and what we did to help keep the truth alive.

:-)

[Grateful for Hope]

118. MissWaverly

WE know what we are trying to do to keep the truth alive.

It is people like you that inspire me to keep on questioning, trust my gut, and maintain hope for the future.

Personally, I don't think it is all that important if credit is given to us (and, more especially, people like you) because our actions have, and will continue to, influence history, and, I believe there is a universal consciousness that recognizes and honors all these efforts.

[MissWaverly]

119. Thank you for the kind words

I hope they remember us sitting typing, churning out post after post, compiling stats on the stolen election, scanning for pertinent news to get the word out. Giving money in little
amounts to campaigns, to those devestated by illness, or those hurt by Katrina, sending flowers to those who stand up for the truth, I hope we are remembered. I believe that we will win,
if we can stick together and keep doing 1 step at a time. I believe that we have had a great
impact already. I think that is why Ken Lay has been convicted today. Despite all the lies,
all the delay, all the spin, there was justice today.

[Grateful for Hope]

121. I was absolutely thrilled

about DeLay's conviction. My thought was that "there really is some justice in this world", and this, despite his ties to Bush.

:toast:

[Sanity Claws]

122. It was Ken Lay, not Tom DeLay

Kenny Lay from Enron was convicted yesterday. We're still waiting for justice on Tom DeLay.

[Grateful for Hope]

123. That was a typo

Sorry about that. I am aware it was Lay.

Good article on the Lay/BushCo connection:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/052506.html

[MissWaverly]

124. wait, it's Kenny Lay, Mr. Enron

George's No. 1 contributer before Enron crashed and burned, I am glad that you see this as welcome news, I certainly do! Tom (the Hammer) DeLay's trip to the slammer is a preview
of coming attractions!

:-)

[Grateful for Hope]

125. So sorry, it was a typo

typed early this AM...was probably still half asleep.

I DO look forward to that Delay trip, though. Another much-anticipated day in the future!

[MissWaverly]

126. Would it be funny if Rove and DeLay were cell mates

[cassiepriam]

127. God help us. What would the two of them cook up?

They'd take over the prison in a week.

The worst punishment for those two would be solitary confinement. No one to manipulate, control or con. No adoring crowds.

It would be hell on earth for them.

[Grateful for Hope]

128. Very funny indeed! n/t

[cassiepriam]

129. Miss W et al, might want to take a look at these pics....

Blew me away........... look at their faces.

Since they made such a stink about Clinton's love life, I think this is fair game to discuss.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1293851&mesg_id=1293851

[hippiechick]

130. .

:scared: Ewwwwwww .....

[cassiepriam]

134. Exactly.

[Grateful for Hope]

131. Cassie...was thinking the same thing!

I saw this a few minutes ago, and thought they looked awfully relaxed and happy on their way to Camp David. Almost giddy.

[MissWaverly]

132. I can't believe my eyes

What, the biggest weekend of the year and they're flying down for a work/holiday retreat, isn't
this the man that took 6 weeks of working vacation last year during the summer not counting
the other R&R.

[cassiepriam]

136. Going to Camp David from the WH. And it is supposed to be a working

holiday? Working and holiday don't belong in the same sentence
with *. Sounds pretty fishy to me.

Where is Laura? And don't tell me she believed this story. As in Honey, Condi and I are going to be working late at the office, Camp David you know. Work work work.

[MissWaverly]

139. I have never an experience of my boss with his arm around me

and I grateful that I have not!

P-)

[cassiepriam]

135. Yes she is beaming and smiling in way that is not like her.

That is what blew me away the most.

Most of the pics I have seen of her are flat affect.

[Sanity Claws]

133. Why isn't Pickles with them on Air Force One?

[cassiepriam]

138. That is my question, where is the wife??? nt

[rumpel]

140. The tabloid cover at the supermarket features Pickles not talking to *

because he is drinking so heavily. Wants a divorce. :shrug:


But more than that, I think bush is in serious mental trouble - out of control maybe, and Pickles seems to be just like moma bush - a control freak, and is upset that she is not in control of bush.
I also read or heard that moma bush is upset of Pickles not handling the WH household as she wants her to....

[cassiepriam]

137. One of the most interesting things is GD reaction. They are

usually adverse to pic interpretation, but they are on
this big time. They are picking up the obvious sexual
energy in the pics. Or just wishful thinking perhaps.

Some one raised the question of whether * is wearing his wedding
band, I can't see it, can anyone else?