Reincarnation and astrology question re: pets

[Sweet Freedom]

Can multiple animals reincarnate as one? I ask because my husband and I had a cat that I really loved and a dog he really loved. Both are dead and we now have another cat. I swear this cat is the reincarnation of both the old cat and the dog. (My husband thinks the same and he doesn't even believe in reincarnation.)

Also, can astrological charts be made for animals? I know my cat's birthdate, so I just thought it would be fun...

Thanks!

[Lugnut]

1. I've often wondered the same thing

I swear the male tabby we lost in August was human in another life. He used to "talk" to me and we had a special connection. He was a stray so unfortunately I had no birthdate for him. He died the day after what would've been my father's 93rd birthday.

[Nancy Waterman]

2. My understanding is that animals have their own evolution

and do not become humans.

[Lugnut]

3. Thanks Nancy

I value your insight and expertise very much.

[Ladybast]

4. My own experience is that some animals can have been human

and no doubt some humans can have been animal, if that is their individual path of spiritual evolution. It is a fallacy to believe one is "higher" than another. Most of us would privately agree that the character of most dogs, e.g., is far better than the character of most humans.

In the case of my cat Nighto, he has always been terrified of being touched by humans. My animal communicator once asked him why. Nighto replied that he had been a young man in his last life who had been tied down on an anthill to die (horrors) and that when humans touched him it felt like ants swarming. This sounds like something that might happen in Africa, and he's a big black male cat, who probably resembles what he looked like as a human.

With his mother, my cat Lilah, I have a personal strong sense that she was once a upper class Roman matron during the classical period. And with my cat Tiger, I just know that he and I were together in India in a former life when we were both tigers, and he was probably my cub. There is a very strong sense in this life that we have been reunited to experience a relationship in that life that was cut short by death, by hunters. In the case of Tiger, I had first given him another name, but it wouldn't stick, kept sliding off like Teflon, and "Tiger" kept repeating itself louder and louder in my mind until I renamed him. Like magic, the new name "took" and became part of him.

I tend to think I decided to come into this life as a human in order to be able to defend animals, and that my own soul group contains souls that have picked different species in different incarnations. And in college I knew a guy named Duke, whose parents had named him after a late family dog, much loved, whom they were convinced had reincarnated in their son.

[NMDemDist2]

5. welcome Ladybast

:hi:

[okasha]

8. I changed my mind

I used not to think that beings crossed species lines from life to life; a human remained a human, a cat, a cat, etc.. Then I watched "Growing Up Grizzly,"--that was back before giving up the TV--and it struck me so strongly that Doug Seus had beena bear, and that he still was, on a spiritual level, at least partly a bear. I now wonder, perhaps belatedly, if that kind of experience accounts for shape-changers in shamanic cultures.

Okasha

[alterfurz]

6. animals will become "human-like" at a later stage-?

Just as we have gone through the mineral, plant, animal stage to get to where we are now, at some future reincarnation of the earth our presently "younger siblings," the animals, will achieve a state of waking self-consciousness similar to what we experience now. Meanwhile, some astrologers suggest that the chief stellar influences for a pet can be drawn from consideration of aspects between the 3 "primitive" planets, Moon, Mars, Saturn, and I have found this to be accurate regarding my own pets.

[Ladybast]

7. Well, this is a nice thought,

but it falls into the same egoistic human error that results from our need to deny guilt over our ruthless subjection of the other species.

We aren't "further along" as far as consciousness than the animals. To think they aren't consciously aware is an attitude unfortunately created by the mass human system of exploiting and brutalizing animals for human economic gain. Every system of slavery produces "thinking" after the fact that conceptualizes its suffering victims as somehow having no feelings or conscious awareness so that we don't have to "feel" guilty about killing them.

There was no concept of racism in Europe well through the 15th century, and Renaissance paintings of black Africans show them mingling as social equals with Italian culture. Then around 1600 Columbus started the Europe to West Indies slave trade, buying and forcibly transporting Africans to the Indies to be sold as slave labor for sugar cane fields. At about the same time the polemics begin, theorizing that the Africans are an "inferior" creation destined by God to "serve" European interests, as they had no "higher" faculties of their own.

Condescending to other species by believing them not to have "consciousness" is not fact but wishful human self-aggrandizement, which we innocently accept because we have been taught that way. This attitude isn't created by individuals. Instead, we are brainwashed into accepting it by the social need to maintain our present economic system, and the brainwashing starts in grammar school, continues in "news" articles about the "need" for animal experimentation, the "need" for people to consume meet, the "need" of the U.S. Navy to bombard the oceans with sonar, while killing the great cetaceans, etc. It is frankly humans who need to develop a "consciousness," so we can reflect on what we are taught and ultimately reject this garbage.

[vanboggie]

9. Daughter says our cat was Mussolini

We have three cats - two "normal" and then there is our 19-year-old Ashley. She has always had a queenly air about her.

When she was younger she refused to eat out of a dish. She opened the cupboard, tore open the cat food bag and ate paw to mouth. I've had cats all my life, but this one has intelligence above any cats I've met before. When I had a cubicle job and would oversleep, she pulled on my hair until I woke up - but on weekends would let me sleep. She used to be tied only to me, then let my daughter in, and only recently has allowed my husband into her special circle. All of our friends and relatives know not to touch her, because she will attack viciously if the mood strikes. The vet used to call me at the office and have me come back to administer meds because she wouldn't let them do it. He wears welding gloves when he handles her. The Mussolini moniker is partly from her nastiness to other people and partly due to her love for Italian food. At 19, she still loves anything with cheese, tomatoes and lots of spices. She totally rejected cat food a couple of years ago, so now it is only people food - preferably pizza or buffalo wings.

Our other cats and dogs - a huge Newfoundland and a pit bull - will part the way when Ashley walks through. They stand there gazing with total awe. If she doesn't like how they are looking at her, she will stop, stare at them, and they look away sheepishly.

The neatest thing is her highly developed telepathic skills. She communicates very well, and if you try to ignore her, she will tilt her head and stare into your eyes until you do her bidding. She always gets her point across.

She's definitely some type of higher being than cat, whether she's a reincarnated Mussolini or not.

[okasha]

10. Empress Livia?

[vanboggie]

11. Now that you mention it....

Regal - check
Domineering - check
Strong willed - check
Roman/Italian food - check

Hmm...Empress or Livia would probably have been a more fiting name for her.

[Eurobabe]

12. how anthropocentric of us

to think that an animal would ever 'evolve' to come back as a human??

Seriously though, my little red cat is the love of my life and even my hubby admits that this fuzzbutt was either a lover of mine or a child at one point in time. The connection I have with my cat is unfrigginreal.

[Gloria]

13. I don't know about pets being reincarnated as other pets...but

my chihuahua Toro is my father reincarnated. His face and his teasing actions. My mother thinks so, too. There's something in his eyes. It's my father, no doubt.

[yellowdawgdem]

14. It's not part of the reincarnation cycle necessarily, but

I think that animals are natural channels, and that they can sometimes 'host' old friends who wish to visit, human, feline, or whomever it is. We don't know very much about the reincarnation cycles of cats/dogs but it is possible that they require shorter lag times in between lives. It would make sense that your beloved animal friends would want to be with you, and even that 2 beings could share the same body. I just would bet that it is more of a channeling, as you and your husband are drawing down the energies of the cat and dog you miss.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

15. i believe in transmigration of the soul only because

i have some memories of having been a three toed sloth a long, long time ago. of course, i also remember some human incarnations. and i distinctly remember having once been a cat, can' remember choking on a hairball, among other things. i do think we choose what we please, and between human incarnations i like a short furry vacation life. i plan for a short vacation life as a moth, after giving up this corporeal form. i think it would be nice, it would only last a season, it would be all light and color and breeze under the wings. why not? sometimes i think i might like a long restful vacation life as, say, a California redwood. reincarnationalists believe we choose our circumstances, why not choose from plant/animal life as well? life is life is life.

[AlienGirl]

16. Species-drift

I don't think we're necessarily stuck in one species forever, though I have no proof of cross-species reincarnation. But I suspect that a being will come back with similar capabilities, a more familiar set of senses and brain architecture to what they last had. So I can more easily imagine a human coming back as a chimp or gorilla than a bat or a cow. The change from one order of creature to another might take many lifetimes, as the spirit slowly drifts to bodies and brains less and less like its original.

Tucker