At the time of Lay's death ,why were both Colin Powell and Bill Clinton

[saracat]

also in Aspen? And why did Colin Powell, after dinner with Clinton, get sick enough at dinner to require an abulance? Hmmmm?

[LaurenG]

1. Maybe saying their goodbyes? lol

I have a strange feeling about the whole Lay affair. It seems so "set up" . I can't put my finger on it other than to say there is much more going on than meets the eye, I just don't get anything on it other than a strange feeling.

I have a co worker who went to NY last year to see Hillary speak. The rumor at that point was that the Big Dog had a girlfriend in Aspen where he went to recover after surgery. If the rumor is true that may be why he was there. Powell was probably on vacation but who knows.:shrug:

What do you think?

[cassiepriam]

2. Same here

When I first read of Lay's death I had a jarring sense that something was very off about the report. That there was much more to the story. And yes it was a strange feeling. The timing of it most of all. I think many are having this perhaps?

And it is odd, one of the other principals in this case was found dead in his car, supposed suicide.

There are quite a few people who had motives to harm Ken Lay.
He could have threatened to tell all if he was imprisoned, angling for a pardon from Bush. But Bush's poll numbers are low, so Bush may have been hesitant to pardon him. Bush was in a very difficult spot.

And the family stood to lose all of its fortune in civil suits.
But with Lay dead, apparently the family money has been saved according to the reports I have read. Bush can safely pardon Lay posthumously, no one will mind that, and the fortune is protected from civil liability.

In ancient Roman times a disgraced nobleman would kill himself to save the family fortune and honor. Could Lay have done this?
And it has been covered up? But Lay is so narcissistic it is hard to imagine he would make a sacrifice for anyone else.

Also I wondered why Powell got sick at dinner, and then I wondered why Powell and Clinton were dining together?

All very odd....

[BlueIris]

4. So, cassie, as an astrologer, you don't put any stock in the idea that he

is holed up in some foreign country some place, not actually dead?

[cassiepriam]

7. Oh, my comments were not based on astrology

Just logic and intuition. I do not really do event or predictive astrological kind of work. And I did not look at his transit chart. Wonder if we have any scorpio or neptune stuff going on?

Yes I do think it is possible that he staged his death, or had help. He has the resources and friends in high places to carry this off.

And it is possible that he was a victim of foul play. Many would benefit from his death.

And also it is possible that he died of natural causes. Reality finally hit him, he knew that the game was up and he was facing prison. He died rather than give up his life of wealth and privilege. Sad, he died never believing that he did anything wrong. He felt like the victim.

[BlueIris]

8. Oh, okay. I just thought that you'd checked out his transits that day,

and if you saw something that made you think, "he could be gone as in dead, or he could be gone as in hiding in the south of France" you'd be posting about that.

Although I saw nothing in his transits on the day of his death, or in his natal chart, to suggest anything other than, "heavy unpleasantness," I have this weird feeling that he's not dead. That was my first impression when I read the headlines saying that he was. "Yeah, right" was the thought flashing in my mind. But if I looked at the situation logically, I feel the heart attack, suicide or idea that he was "suicided" are the best explanations. Mostly because I have no idea what incentive his enemies would have to keep him alive. Not like he was going to do them all that much good alive. Though now that I post this, I recall that friends of the Bush Admin are both killed if they betray The Cause and rewarded well if they serve their masters like the loyal slaves they are. The neo-cons and their little helpers wouldn't have a prayer of getting all that much help in the future if they developed a reputation for offing their friends as well as their adversaries.

[cassiepriam]

9. Yes

There was no incentive on anyone's part for him to be alive, himself included.

[Mist]

3. Something called the "Aspen Ideas Festival" was taking place, with

big names attending.
http://www.aspeninstitute.org/

[Quakerfriend]

5. Very interesting. And, apparently, James Woolsey and Andrea

Mitchell were also in Aspen just after Lay died.

Do you think that this relates to "when the Aspens turn..." in the Libby letter to Judy Miller??

[Gin]

6. Rove (yuk) will be speaking at the convention today ...........

the whole story is fishy................all of these people will be going to the service for him, I bet....how convenient...he "dies" while all the friends are in town.

[NJCher]

10. something else to consider

There were articles in the last couple of days that I found quite intriguing. Both were about Ken Lay; one was in the Houston Chronicle and the other at bloomberg.com. Apparently, Lay and his wife were openly jeered at a restaurant just a few days before he had his heart attack--or should I say, so-called heart attack. In the Chronicle article, they made it quite clear that people--and not just tinfoilers--were openly questioning this death.

I'll try to find the articles and post them here later. I passed on posting them on the forum in general because there appeared to be such a reaction to any more talk about Lay.

Oh, and the biggie that stuck out to me from one of the articles is that Lay is being cremated. Ummm hmm. Yeah.

I think it's fair to say that an awful lot of people will be watching the funeral and Linda Lay with a very critical eye. If Linda sports a new beau with rows of hair transplants and some lifts in his shoes, it's going to be real interesting.

Even if Ken Lay actually did die, we know we'll be hearing about Elvis sightings errr Ken Lay sightings for years to come. There will be books. There will be endless speculation.




Cher

p.s. I watched a crime show where a couple actually tried to pull this off. The husband reappeared within three months under another name and with his hair dyed. Needless to say, they were caught.